(08-04-2023, 10:36 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-03-2023, 04:05 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Not to be annoying but you’re wrong.
30 NFL QBs can’t make that play or they would all have a Lawrence/Mahomes/Burrow.
Also, this is just an extremely small sample size. He’s been making reads and throws like that his whole career. He continually likes to push the ball to the 2nd level but last year was the first time he had people who could separate and catch those balls.
Look, we can agree to disagree. He’s shown a lot of promise. But he’s not Mahomes/Burrow yet. I hope he can get there.
But there’s a common thought that Trevor’s best 4-5 games last year are a prediction of what he’s going to be going forward. Is that possible? Yes and I’m looking forward to it.
But he also did finish the season (last 5 games IIRC) with a qbr of like 72 which is very below average.
I still think he’s got some accuracy issues and decision making issues. He’s not a finished product by any means, but he’s got great upside and could develop into a top 5 qb.
Can someone remind me when the Loins game was?
I've never been as unsettled as I was after watching him take that hit. That he was back and still keeping this team in the hunt was quite a dang accomplishment, stats be darned.
(08-05-2023, 02:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 02:10 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]When people talk about his elite “second half of the year” do they mean the last 5 games too? A rating of 72.
I’ve been around long enough to be patient with my expectations. I think right now he’s a top 10-12 QB with upside.
He’s got to show dignificant improvement to be considered among the top 5 QBs in the NFL.
If getting hung up on QBR in 5 games that included 4 wins is your way of determining the kids trajectory, then have at it.
I'm not doing that. I know what I saw. I'm confident in my armchair analysis.
This sounds like something you do (justifiably) when Daniel Jones is your QB.
(08-05-2023, 05:44 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 04:16 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]50/105 (47.6%) 1td 2int
60/97 (61.8%) 1td 1 int
72/118 (61%) 6td 5int
77/140 (55%) 6td 8int
One of those stat lines is from Trevor's last three games this year (his playoffs games, as you put it).
You should already know which one since you're so focused on how bad his performance was in those games.
The other three stat lines are from three very famous QBs of the last twenty years first three playoffs games. Can you figure out which one is which QB?
Pretty sure #3 is Trevor.
I'd guess Brady is one of the first two, maybe Manning the other? Idk
I'd put "Mr. October" Manning at 4.
(08-06-2023, 04:18 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 03:57 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
Lmao Herbert and cousins…you could have stopped there. Gtfo of here with that dumb [BLEEP]. Your takes are garbage
I could see Herbs, he's definitely an "arrowing pointing up" QB.
Coupins is an overpaid game manager, he and A. A. Ron are in the sunset phase of their careers; They may still have a playoff run in the tank, but not someone you build around for long-term success. I would definitely roll with Herbs before either of them if I am looking beyond 2024. Lamar is going to have to take a chapter out of Randall Cunningham's book and learn to beat teams with his arm. He's hurt too often for me to put him among the elites.
(08-07-2023, 09:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 04:18 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ]Lmao Herbert and cousins…you could have stopped there. Gtfo of here with that dumb [BLEEP]. Your takes are garbage
I could see Herbs, he's definitely an "arrowing pointing up" QB.
Coupins is an overpaid game manager, he and A. A. Ron are in the sunset phase of their careers; They may still have a playoff run in the tank, but not someone you build around for long-term success. I would definitely roll with Herbs before either of them if I am looking beyond 2024. Lamar is going to have to take a chapter out of Randall Cunningham's book and learn to beat teams with his arm. He's hurt too often for me to put him among the elites.
Lamar is *insanely* overrated. I'm not sure why people drool over him
(08-07-2023, 12:25 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 09:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I could see Herbs, he's definitely an "arrowing pointing up" QB.
Coupins is an overpaid game manager, he and A. A. Ron are in the sunset phase of their careers; They may still have a playoff run in the tank, but not someone you build around for long-term success. I would definitely roll with Herbs before either of them if I am looking beyond 2024. Lamar is going to have to take a chapter out of Randall Cunningham's book and learn to beat teams with his arm. He's hurt too often for me to put him among the elites.
Lamar is *insanely* overrated. I'm not sure why people drool over him
Because he's a great athlete who's carried his team a long ways without being a great thrower. Now he's starting to break down, so I'm glad he got his money before he's just average.
(08-07-2023, 12:25 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (08-07-2023, 09:33 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I could see Herbs, he's definitely an "arrowing pointing up" QB.
Coupins is an overpaid game manager, he and A. A. Ron are in the sunset phase of their careers; They may still have a playoff run in the tank, but not someone you build around for long-term success. I would definitely roll with Herbs before either of them if I am looking beyond 2024. Lamar is going to have to take a chapter out of Randall Cunningham's book and learn to beat teams with his arm. He's hurt too often for me to put him among the elites.
Lamar is *insanely* overrated. I'm not sure why people drool over him
I won't disagree.
Remember what Vic used to say about Young...."Make him be a passer."
Calvin Ridley on 1010 says he’s really impressed with Trevor. He says his accuracy and arm strength are more than he expected. He even went so far as to make a Mahomes comparison. Although, that might’ve been laying it on a little thick.
(08-09-2023, 03:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Calvin Ridley on 1010 says he’s really impressed with Trevor. He says his accuracy and arm strength are more than he expected. He even went so far as to make a Mahomes comparison. Although, that might’ve been laying it on a little thick.
I don't know man. He's on pace to hit those top billing remarks he had coming out of Clemson. He's in that Andrew Luck / Peyton Manning column for a reason. He started showing it in full display last year down the stretch and showed that he has a clutch gene in his blood as well.
It's very, very possible, that, he's in the MVP conversation this year. Especially with this schedule. Primetime games are going to be fun to watch this year. Looking forward to SNF with the Ravens and MNF with the Bengals. Those are going to be opportunities for him to make a statement on a larger scale and cement his name in the top two, three conversation.
It's amazing what this kid has done in two years already. Urban Meyer looks like a [BLEEP] idiot the more and more he flourishes. Amazing what a competent coach can do for a superstar talent at one of the most toughest and premier positions in all of sports. It'll be some [BLEEP] if he out duels Mahomes early in September and then does it again in the play-off's.
Man, that would be too sweet.
Are the Jaguars not doing joint practices with the Cowboys before Saturday?
EDIT: Oh, I guess we're joint practicing with Detroit for next week. Would like to see how we do hitting opposing teams for once.
(08-09-2023, 03:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Calvin Ridley on 1010 says he’s really impressed with Trevor. He says his accuracy and arm strength are more than he expected. He even went so far as to make a Mahomes comparison. Although, that might’ve been laying it on a little thick.
From an arm talent standpoint, I'd buy what Ridley's selling. This year we'll see if the comparison is valid.
(08-09-2023, 04:29 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Are the Jaguars not doing joint practices with the Cowboys before Saturday?
EDIT: Oh, I guess we're joint practicing with Detroit for next week. Would like to see how we do hitting opposing teams for once.
Just keep Trevor in a bubble
(08-09-2023, 03:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Calvin Ridley on 1010 says he’s really impressed with Trevor. He says his accuracy and arm strength are more than he expected. He even went so far as to make a Mahomes comparison. Although, that might’ve been laying it on a little thick.
We'd know he lurks these boards if he called him a generational talent.
(08-09-2023, 04:29 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Are the Jaguars not doing joint practices with the Cowboys before Saturday?
EDIT: Oh, I guess we're joint practicing with Detroit for next week. Would like to see how we do hitting opposing teams for once.
I wouldn't want to tip our playbook before a crucial preseason opener like that.
Best to wait a week when all the plays are already on film. The Giants are fools for falling for the Loins' trap this week. I bet Daniel Jones doesn't get 20 yards passing.
(08-09-2023, 05:09 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2023, 04:29 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Are the Jaguars not doing joint practices with the Cowboys before Saturday?
EDIT: Oh, I guess we're joint practicing with Detroit for next week. Would like to see how we do hitting opposing teams for once.
Just keep Trevor in a bubble
I'd watch his kneecaps if Coach Campbell is near.
Interested to see Hutch and Walker on the same practice field
(08-06-2023, 03:57 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 01:21 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]In reply to the bolded... is anyone actually doing that? If so, who? Cause I want to make fun of them.
Edit: I think what I find weird is that you are saying he's a top 10-12 QB. Can you really name even 5 QBs that you'd rather have over him in terms of skill?
I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
Wow. No way. Mahomes and Prime Rodgers are the only two of those who have more talent than Trevor. Give him another year or two and he will be better than Prime Rodgers.
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Also, why would any treat Allen and Jackson as elite? What have they won? Allen keeps choking year after year. He’s a more athletic cousins. Rodgers has one good playoff year in him if he’s hyper-focused, maybe. Trevor has passed by Herbert last year.
If I’ve got to win a game, give me Mahomes, Trevor, Burrow, or Hurts. No one else deserves to be in the top tier.
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Freddy T is on the Pat McAfee show right now talking up TL.
(08-10-2023, 11:53 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Also, why would any treat Allen and Jackson as elite? What have they won? Allen keeps choking year after year. He’s a more athletic cousins. Rodgers has one good playoff year in him if he’s hyper-focused, maybe. Trevor has passed by Herbert last year.
If I’ve got to win a game, give me Mahomes, Trevor, Burrow, or Hurts. No one else deserves to be in the top tier.
To be fair to Allen, my guy went toe-toe with Mahomes in the playoffs and had a lead with 12 seconds left, I don't really consider that choking, at least not Allen. That defense definitely choked.
(08-10-2023, 11:53 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Also, why would any treat Allen and Jackson as elite? What have they won? Allen keeps choking year after year. He’s a more athletic cousins. Rodgers has one good playoff year in him if he’s hyper-focused, maybe. Trevor has passed by Herbert last year.
If I’ve got to win a game, give me Mahomes, Trevor, Burrow, or Hurts. No one else deserves to be in the top tier.
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Because Allen has displayed elite level arm talent and Lamar has an elite combination of dual threat skill.
Playoff wins/losses don't always factor into various conversations about these players.
If you insist on including that it would change a lot of conversations/articles/rankings etc.