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(01-14-2024, 07:37 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 07:10 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]You're telling me he makes 2-3 dozen good throws per game?

He averages over 2 dozen completions per game.

(01-14-2024, 07:12 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If he was making 2-3 dozen good throws a game he'd be playing today.

Not with the way the Defense collapsed coming down the back stretch of the season.

He isn't even averaging 24 completions per game this season, so he's definitely not making 24+ good throws per game.

(01-14-2024, 07:45 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 07:37 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He averages over 2 dozen completions per game.


Not with the way the Defense collapsed coming down the back stretch of the season.

He isn't even averaging 24 completions per game this season, so he's definitely not making 24+ good throws per game.

He certainly isn't making more than just a handful of bad throws per either.

Regardless, he wasn't the same after Little stepped on his ankle and it was blatantly obvious.

Before that injury, he only had two games with completion %'s in the 50's. 53.7% in week 2 vs KC and 58.6% vs the 49ers.

He had 10 games with 67%+ completions. 5 of those were 75%+.

The very next 3 games after that ankle injury he had 56% 58.1% and 58.6%.

Agreed the injury played a roll . These guys are humans. It’s harder to play at a high level hurt (ankle sprain, concussion, then right shoulder sprain).

(01-14-2024, 07:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 07:45 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]He isn't even averaging 24 completions per game this season, so he's definitely not making 24+ good throws per game.

He certainly isn't making more than just a handful of bad throws per either.

Regardless, he wasn't the same after Little stepped on his ankle and it was blatantly obvious.

Before that injury, he only had two games with completion %'s in the 50's. 53.7% in week 2 vs KC and 58.6% vs the 49ers.

He had 10 games with 67%+ completions. 5 of those were 75%+.

The very next 3 games after that ankle injury he had 56% 58.1% and 58.6%.

Those are cute stats he was still below average scoring points regardless of before or after his injuries

(01-14-2024, 08:32 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 07:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He certainly isn't making more than just a handful of bad throws per either.

Regardless, he wasn't the same after Little stepped on his ankle and it was blatantly obvious.

Before that injury, he only had two games with completion %'s in the 50's. 53.7% in week 2 vs KC and 58.6% vs the 49ers.

He had 10 games with 67%+ completions. 5 of those were 75%+.

The very next 3 games after that ankle injury he had 56% 58.1% and 58.6%.

Those are cute stats he was still below average scoring points regardless of before or after his injuries

I award you a gold medal in the mental gymnastics.

(01-14-2024, 08:32 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 07:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He certainly isn't making more than just a handful of bad throws per either.

Regardless, he wasn't the same after Little stepped on his ankle and it was blatantly obvious.

Before that injury, he only had two games with completion %'s in the 50's. 53.7% in week 2 vs KC and 58.6% vs the 49ers.

He had 10 games with 67%+ completions. 5 of those were 75%+.

The very next 3 games after that ankle injury he had 56% 58.1% and 58.6%.

Those are cute stats he was still below average scoring points regardless of before or after his injuries

Are we playing Golf? My bad for forgetting this was an individual sport.

(01-14-2024, 08:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 08:32 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Those are cute stats he was still below average scoring points regardless of before or after his injuries

Are we playing Golf? My bad for forgetting this was an individual sport.

He's just going to keep moving the goal posts.

(01-14-2024, 08:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 08:32 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Those are cute stats he was still below average scoring points regardless of before or after his injuries

I award you a gold medal in the mental gymnastics.

His logic is simple.

When we win its down to the run game or D. When we lose its because of Trevor.

Ya'll ever noticed that we always get to the Line of scrimmage with less than 10 seconds on the clock?

Does Trevor not have the ability to communicate the play call in the huddle earlier than that?  

And why is he always audibling?  

I just don't get it.  This offense looked so unorganized all the time.

If you watch any other QB, they have nowhere near the amount of delay of game penalties.  But Trevor has at least 2 each game.  It's like he's confused about what we're gonna do and there's a debate going on for 20 seconds.  And then finally, a play is agreed upon and we break the huddle with 10 seconds left.

Does Trevor not know how to communicate the play calling that is coming from Doug and Press?  

Dilla mentioned there may be a disconnect between Trevor and the plays being called.  Lots of people are talking about that...  I'm just wondering if that may be an issue.

(01-14-2024, 09:19 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Ya'll ever noticed that we always get to the Line of scrimmage with less than 10 seconds on the clock?

Does Trevor not have the ability to communicate the play call in the huddle earlier than that?  

And why is he always audibling?  

I just don't get it.  This offense looked so unorganized all the time.

If you watch any other QB, they have nowhere near the amount of delay of game penalties.  But Trevor has at least 2 each game.  It's like he's confused about what we're gonna do and there's a debate going on for 20 seconds.  And then finally, a play is agreed upon and we break the huddle with 10 seconds left.

Does Trevor not know how to communicate the play calling that is coming from Doug and Press?  

Dilla mentioned there may be a disconnect between Trevor and the plays being called.  Lots of people are talking about that...  I'm just wondering if that may be an issue.

It's weird he purposely hid is wonderlic.  Bet he scored lower than 10

(01-14-2024, 06:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 05:46 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is gonna be a good QB.

The thing that I'm wondering is why he can't take snaps under center...

Is he stupid?

NFL teams run more shotgun every single year for the past several years. 
The number has risen across the board from 66% in 2021 to 72% in 2023. 

Jags ran shotgun at a rate of 74.96% in 2022 when you think they ran a "different offense." 
(they didn't) 

Before I find you the 2023 number - what do you think it will be?

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Piggybacking on this - the Jags fanbase is all abuzz with "stop running out of shotgun on 3rd and short!!!!" 

What if I told you the NFL since 2021 has run on 3rd or 4th and short out of shotgun MORE than they have from under center? 

Yep.

It's true. 55% of those 4000 plus attempts were run league wide from shotgun. 

The success rate from under center has been 69.9% 
The success rate from shotgun has been 61% - but they keep on doing it. 

The Jaguars 3rd and 4th down short yardage conversion rate has been the sixth worst in the league from August 2021 to November 2023 when the study took place. 

Just get this team an interior line and stop worrying about this stuff. An 8% success rate difference between under center and shotgun runs is not going to cripple an offense, but total dysfunction at Center and Left Guard definitely will.

Waiting on an answer here

(01-14-2024, 09:19 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Ya'll ever noticed that we always get to the Line of scrimmage with less than 10 seconds on the clock?

Does Trevor not have the ability to communicate the play call in the huddle earlier than that?  

And why is he always audibling?  

I just don't get it.  This offense looked so unorganized all the time.

If you watch any other QB, they have nowhere near the amount of delay of game penalties.  But Trevor has at least 2 each game.  It's like he's confused about what we're gonna do and there's a debate going on for 20 seconds.  And then finally, a play is agreed upon and we break the huddle with 10 seconds left.

Does Trevor not know how to communicate the play calling that is coming from Doug and Press?  

Dilla mentioned there may be a disconnect between Trevor and the plays being called.  Lots of people are talking about that...  I'm just wondering if that may be an issue.

The Jaguars had 7 delay of game penalties this season you idiot. 2 a game...geez what a moron.

(01-14-2024, 09:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 09:19 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Ya'll ever noticed that we always get to the Line of scrimmage with less than 10 seconds on the clock?

Does Trevor not have the ability to communicate the play call in the huddle earlier than that?  

And why is he always audibling?  

I just don't get it.  This offense looked so unorganized all the time.

If you watch any other QB, they have nowhere near the amount of delay of game penalties.  But Trevor has at least 2 each game.  It's like he's confused about what we're gonna do and there's a debate going on for 20 seconds.  And then finally, a play is agreed upon and we break the huddle with 10 seconds left.

Does Trevor not know how to communicate the play calling that is coming from Doug and Press?  

Dilla mentioned there may be a disconnect between Trevor and the plays being called.  Lots of people are talking about that...  I'm just wondering if that may be an issue.

The Jaguars had 7 delay of game penalties this season you idiot. 2 a game...geez what a moron.

No…AT LEAST two each game.

(01-14-2024, 08:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 08:32 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Those are cute stats he was still below average scoring points regardless of before or after his injuries

I award you a gold medal in the mental gymnastics.

And he wonders why no one takes him seriously.

Detroit tonight. They have the #1 ranked offensive line in football.

Decker = 16th overall pick.

Jackson = 3rd RD pick.

Ragnow = 20th overall pick.

Glasgow = 3rd RD pick.

Sewell = 7th overall pick.

2 top 20 picks and a top 10 pick starting on their offensive line and 2 former 3rd RD picks. It's almost like, if you draft and invest early on lineman, good things eventually happen on your offense.

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(01-14-2024, 10:18 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Detroit tonight. They have the #1 ranked offensive line in football.

Decker = 16th overall pick.

Jackson = 3rd RD pick.

Ragnow = 20th overall pick.

Glasgow = 3rd RD pick.

Sewell = 7th overall pick.

2 top 20 picks and a top 10 pick starting on their offensive line and 2 former 3rd RD picks. It's almost like, if you draft and invest early on lineman, good things eventually happen on your offense.

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Our offensive line sucks even though we also invested a lot in it.

LT: 2nd round pick
LG: 2nd round pick (W Little)
C: 3rd round pick
RG: former top 10 pick, expensive FA acquisition
RT: 1st round pick

Robinson should have been replaced years ago. Little was injured and coming off two years of missing football with Covid happening. Fortner is a bust. Scherff had excess baggage with injuries and has played exactly the way most folks thought he would. Harrison was a good selection.

It's the fact that they did nothing to add depth, push, challenge or cultivate a stronger overall group. It's laziness and wrecklessness and it's officially set the team back noticeably. Whether it's a bad imvestment or lack of investment.

The guy pulling the trigger on those players has bad aim. He needs to go.

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(01-14-2024, 10:48 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Robinson should have been replaced years ago. Little was injured and coming off two years of missing football with Covid happening. Fortner is a bust. Scherff had excess baggage with injuries and has played exactly the way most folks thought he would. Harrison was a good selection.

It's the fact that they did nothing to add depth, push, challenge or cultivate a stronger overall group. It's laziness and wrecklessness and it's officially set the team back noticeably. Whether it's a bad imvestment or lack of investment.

The guy pulling the trigger on those players has bad aim. He needs to go.

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This is not so much that he has bad aim. It's that he doesn't plan for contingency solutions. He never has, even in San Fran. If his plan A doesn't work out, he hasn't set things up to pivot easily and he will never "break glass" for an emergency pivot.

Doesn't matter that cause or reason for that, whether ego or other issues; but that is not a baseline characterization of a successful GM, manager, or boss in any field.

It is also not something he is going to magically learn at this stage in his career. This is probably his last job in the NFL.

Which also speaks to Kahn's issues. He has this philosophy of believing in people even if they make mistakes and thinking they can "grow out of them" or improve upon them. It is partly that he believed in stability in his prior company prior to buying the Jags. He has spoken about it before. The issue is that his last few hires, Marrone, Baalke, Meyer, and Pederson are all retreads. This stop was/is their LAST chance. In that situation, you cannot just bank on them improving or changing, especially if the problems appearing are identical or similar to the reasons they lost their prior jobs.

(01-14-2024, 10:18 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Detroit tonight. They have the #1 ranked offensive line in football.

Decker = 16th overall pick.

Jackson = 3rd RD pick.

Ragnow = 20th overall pick.

Glasgow = 3rd RD pick.

Sewell = 7th overall pick.

2 top 20 picks and a top 10 pick starting on their offensive line and 2 former 3rd RD picks. It's almost like, if you draft and invest early on lineman, good things eventually happen on your offense.

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And their passing still sucks lol

(01-14-2024, 06:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 05:46 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is gonna be a good QB.

The thing that I'm wondering is why he can't take snaps under center...

Is he stupid?

NFL teams run more shotgun every single year for the past several years. 
The number has risen across the board from 66% in 2021 to 72% in 2023. 

Jags ran shotgun at a rate of 74.96% in 2022 when you think they ran a "different offense." 
(they didn't) 

Before I find you the 2023 number - what do you think it will be?

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Piggybacking on this - the Jags fanbase is all abuzz with "stop running out of shotgun on 3rd and short!!!!" 

What if I told you the NFL since 2021 has run on 3rd or 4th and short out of shotgun MORE than they have from under center? 

Yep.

It's true. 55% of those 4000 plus attempts were run league wide from shotgun. 

The success rate from under center has been 69.9% 
The success rate from shotgun has been 61% - but they keep on doing it. 

The Jaguars 3rd and 4th down short yardage conversion rate has been the sixth worst in the league from August 2021 to November 2023 when the study took place. 

Just get this team an interior line and stop worrying about this stuff. An 8% success rate difference between under center and shotgun runs is not going to cripple an offense, but total dysfunction at Center and Left Guard definitely will.

I'm not sure overlying shotgun numbers help that much. Given that shotgun has been a staple in hurry up 2-min offense and for bad teams who are trailing for decades. Also breaking it down between teams with positive rush EPA vs negative would be a better guide to know if there any correlation or not with success. After that you probably still have to split it between teams/plays that are power or zone schemes.