(11-12-2023, 05:51 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:21 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Issues hes had since college.. but we will pretend my takes were incorrect, 3 years of bad/average play isnt enough i guess.
Its about time he shows up, a few games last year isnt enough.
Ya know I thought the posters here were a bit hard on you but then you post crap like this, rescinding your take back of your takes and acting like you were right all along.
I never took back my takes, they were observations not assumptions and i never said he was a bust or couldnt be good he just had and still has flaws in his game. Pointing out something that anyone can seee because its on tv is hardly wrong.
(11-12-2023, 05:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:51 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Ya know I thought the posters here were a bit hard on you but then you post crap like this, rescinding your take back of your takes and acting like you were right all along.
When you spend a year spamming the MB with 20 different critiques of the QB and also backpedal from all of them, you'll always have something to be "right" about.
Original argument was pointing out flaws in his game, visible to anyone willing to watch him. It was the ignorant bias of yourself and others who blamed coaching and wrs on things he did prior to playing on our team.
Still don’t understand the blind loyalty you show him, if any other qb was playing the way he had you wouldnt want them on the team. Even in 2017 bust bortles had 12 tds by week 10, trevors 9 td 6 ints. Thats pittiful
(11-12-2023, 05:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:51 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Ya know I thought the posters here were a bit hard on you but then you post crap like this, rescinding your take back of your takes and acting like you were right all along.
When you spend a year spamming the MB with 20 different critiques of the QB and also backpedal from all of them, you'll always have something to be "right" about.
Original argument was pointing out flaws in his game, visible to anyone willing to watch him. It was the ignorant bias of yourself and others who blamed coaching and wrs on things he did prior to playing on our team.
Still don’t understand the blind loyalty you show him, if any other qb was playing the way he had you wouldnt want them on the team. Even in 2017 bust bortles had 12 tds by week 10, trevors 9 td 6 ints. Thats pittiful
(11-12-2023, 05:34 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:33 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]For the Lawrence critics, what is your plan? Trade him? Draft his replacement?
I dont think its that serious, but if im coaching him im working on the basics. Hes made the easy plays look challenging often and thats worrying.
(11-12-2023, 05:40 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]You can simultaneously criticize him and still hope he stays. If I were the QB coach, I'd start by just trying to eliminate the silly mistakes and improving the decision making in the pocket. I realize the OL sucks but he seems to be missing open guys way too much. Need to work on ball security. Reducing the small mistakes can add up.
So we're happy he is our qb but he still isn't good enough. If he doesn't get any better and this is who he is, can we win a super bowl with him? And if not, how much longer do you givevhim to improve? I take it neither of you are giving him a 2nd contract at this point.
(11-12-2023, 06:01 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:51 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Ya know I thought the posters here were a bit hard on you but then you post crap like this, rescinding your take back of your takes and acting like you were right all along.
I never took back my takes, they were observations not assumptions and i never said he was a bust or couldnt be good he just had and still has flaws in his game. Pointing out something that anyone can seee because its on tv is hardly wrong.
(11-12-2023, 05:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]When you spend a year spamming the MB with 20 different critiques of the QB and also backpedal from all of them, you'll always have something to be "right" about.
Original argument was pointing out flaws in his game, visible to anyone willing to watch him. It was the ignorant bias of yourself and others who blamed coaching and wrs on things he did prior to playing on our team.
Still don’t understand the blind loyalty you show him, if any other qb was playing the way he had you wouldnt want them on the team. Even in 2017 bust bortles had 12 tds by week 10, trevors 9 td 6 ints. Thats pittiful
(11-12-2023, 05:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]When you spend a year spamming the MB with 20 different critiques of the QB and also backpedal from all of them, you'll always have something to be "right" about.
Original argument was pointing out flaws in his game, visible to anyone willing to watch him. It was the ignorant bias of yourself and others who blamed coaching and wrs on things he did prior to playing on our team.
Still don’t understand the blind loyalty you show him, if any other qb was playing the way he had you wouldnt want them on the team. Even in 2017 bust bortles had 12 tds by week 10, trevors 9 td 6 ints. Thats pittiful
None of that is accurate (outside of a meaningless and incomplete stat) and your college takes were stupid too.
Go on and bleat about how bad he is - I won't stop you. You're entitled to your opinion.
I'm patient because I see that he has the ability to be special if he keeps putting it together.
Today was a setback. It doesn't have to define his career arc.
(11-12-2023, 05:15 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:14 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]When we had time he held the ball too long. Didn't see the field well enough. Ball security. Lack of touch. Lack of timing.
Coaching didn't help. Empty against what is now the best pass rush tandem in football with a rookie tackle and a guy you want to get rid of.... come on man.
One team looked desperate for a win another team looked high on press clippings.
Were you watching the all-22? Trevor normally isn't hesitant to throw to open guys in his field of vision. Seemed more like the niners did a great job of rushing and covering.
Like they had our playbook to a tee.
See. Here we go again.
Same haters coming back out (BuT ITs JUsT oBsErVaTiOns) and then when Trevor comes out and balls again, they’ll crawl away or say “I never hated him!”
It’s so miserable
(11-12-2023, 06:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:01 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I never took back my takes, they were observations not assumptions and i never said he was a bust or couldnt be good he just had and still has flaws in his game. Pointing out something that anyone can seee because its on tv is hardly wrong.
Original argument was pointing out flaws in his game, visible to anyone willing to watch him. It was the ignorant bias of yourself and others who blamed coaching and wrs on things he did prior to playing on our team.
Still don’t understand the blind loyalty you show him, if any other qb was playing the way he had you wouldnt want them on the team. Even in 2017 bust bortles had 12 tds by week 10, trevors 9 td 6 ints. Thats pittiful
Original argument was pointing out flaws in his game, visible to anyone willing to watch him. It was the ignorant bias of yourself and others who blamed coaching and wrs on things he did prior to playing on our team.
Still don’t understand the blind loyalty you show him, if any other qb was playing the way he had you wouldnt want them on the team. Even in 2017 bust bortles had 12 tds by week 10, trevors 9 td 6 ints. Thats pittiful
None of that is accurate (outside of a meaningless and incomplete stat) and your college takes were stupid too.
Go on and bleat about how bad he is - I won't stop you. You're entitled to your opinion.
I'm patient because I see that he has the ability to be special if he keeps putting it together.
Today was a setback. It doesn't have to define his career arc.
This is where you’re confused, i haven’t given up on him im just not going to pretend hes great before it happens. Again tho, his 9 tds in 9 games was already pretty bad.. dunno why you are singling out this game.
(11-12-2023, 06:30 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]None of that is accurate (outside of a meaningless and incomplete stat) and your college takes were stupid too.
Go on and bleat about how bad he is - I won't stop you. You're entitled to your opinion.
I'm patient because I see that he has the ability to be special if he keeps putting it together.
Today was a setback. It doesn't have to define his career arc.
This is where you’re confused, i haven’t given up on him im just not going to pretend hes great before it happens. Again tho, his 9 tds in 9 games was already pretty bad.. dunno why you are singling out this game.
Because he made more mistakes in this game that were solely on him and less influenced by those around him.
The tinhorns tilt is a close second.
I'm not confused about a damn thing BTW
(11-12-2023, 06:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:30 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]This is where you’re confused, i haven’t given up on him im just not going to pretend hes great before it happens. Again tho, his 9 tds in 9 games was already pretty bad.. dunno why you are singling out this game.
Because he made more mistakes in this game that were solely on him and less influenced by those around him.
The tinhorns tilt is a close second.
I'm not confused about a damn thing
Seems like you are, its been three years bud. You have argued an invalid point for three years. Every issue i pointed out has happened in plain view for years and you refuse to accept the truth. But whatever, keep on keeping on
(11-12-2023, 06:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]See. Here we go again.
Same haters coming back out (BuT ITs JUsT oBsErVaTiOns) and then when Trevor comes out and balls again, they’ll crawl away or say “I never hated him!”
It’s so miserable
Been here practically everyday but ok
(11-12-2023, 06:36 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Because he made more mistakes in this game that were solely on him and less influenced by those around him.
The tinhorns tilt is a close second.
I'm not confused about a damn thing
Seems like you are, its been three years bud. You have argued an invalid point for three years. Every issue i pointed out has happened in plain view for years and you refuse to accept the truth. But whatever, keep on keeping on
I have an opinion about our QB that differs from yours.
Relax
(11-12-2023, 06:36 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Because he made more mistakes in this game that were solely on him and less influenced by those around him.
The tinhorns tilt is a close second.
I'm not confused about a damn thing
Seems like you are, its been three years bud. You have argued an invalid point for three years. Every issue i pointed out has happened in plain view for years and you refuse to accept the truth. But whatever, keep on keeping on
(11-12-2023, 06:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]See. Here we go again.
Same haters coming back out (BuT ITs JUsT oBsErVaTiOns) and then when Trevor comes out and balls again, they’ll crawl away or say “I never hated him!”
It’s so miserable
Been here practically everyday but ok
Was I talking to you?
Your tune certainly has changed today but I wasn’t referring to you.
(11-12-2023, 06:38 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:36 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like you are, its been three years bud. You have argued an invalid point for three years. Every issue i pointed out has happened in plain view for years and you refuse to accept the truth. But whatever, keep on keeping on
I have an opinion about our QB that differs from yours.
Relax
If youe opinion is that he can get better i agree. If its that he has potential to be really good i agree. If its that hes already been very good, i disagree. Very good qbs dont make the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over again.
Im not a fan of blaming everyone on the planet except for the actual guy whos making the mistake.
(11-12-2023, 06:12 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:34 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think its that serious, but if im coaching him im working on the basics. Hes made the easy plays look challenging often and thats worrying.
(11-12-2023, 05:40 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]You can simultaneously criticize him and still hope he stays. If I were the QB coach, I'd start by just trying to eliminate the silly mistakes and improving the decision making in the pocket. I realize the OL sucks but he seems to be missing open guys way too much. Need to work on ball security. Reducing the small mistakes can add up.
So we're happy he is our qb but he still isn't good enough. If he doesn't get any better and this is who he is, can we win a super bowl with him? And if not, how much longer do you givevhim to improve? I take it neither of you are giving him a 2nd contract at this point.
No, we want to keep him because he can and frequently is capable of elite or nearly elite level play. But he does have stretches where he plays like [BLEEP] and those occasions are worthy of criticism. Even if he’s never elite consistently but a top 15 player consistently with flashes of great play, that’s better than most teams have.
(11-12-2023, 06:42 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:38 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I have an opinion about our QB that differs from yours.
Relax
If youe opinion is that he can get better i agree. If its that he has potential to be really good i agree. If its that hes already been very good, i disagree. Very good qbs dont make the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over again.
Im not a fan of blaming everyone on the planet except for the actual guy whos making the mistake.
I've made about 20 posts today referencing his mistakes.
Don't mischaracterize my argument. That's weak.
(11-12-2023, 06:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:42 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If youe opinion is that he can get better i agree. If its that he has potential to be really good i agree. If its that hes already been very good, i disagree. Very good qbs dont make the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over again.
Im not a fan of blaming everyone on the planet except for the actual guy whos making the mistake.
I've made about 20 posts today referencing his mistakes.
Don't mischaracterize my argument. That's weak.
Homie you were trying to tell me he was an elite QB amidst one of the worst rookie campaigns I can recall, you were telling me how good he was during an 8 game stretch where he couldnt get the ball to the endzone. You have ridden that bandwagon even when he was awful. The only smart thing that comes from your posts is the blindingly obvious fact that our O line sucks, it's probably why it's the only thing you talk about.
(09-28-2023, 10:56 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 11:27 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Really, can I see your film break down.
Here is one showing he played well against the Texans
https://youtu.be/ceRzH6NTcg4?si=9uP7fHwgvBQGt-AG
No one is arguing if Trevor knows how to play QB... I am only stating if we want to crown the guy, he needs to play better. You think this tape breakdown is a display of elite QB play? Y I K E S. The 1st/3rd play is a drop, 2nd play is an bad mechanics/late throw/wrong drop pick whatever you think it is(Likely poor footwork/drop) its the SAME PROBLEM he had in KC throwing uncatchable balls in the end zone, only 1 of the 3 toe tappers were even close to completions and Zay was in fact lazy there and should have scored. He also whiffed on a wide open Zay as well, 3 stinkers in the red area. I have no bias against the guy, he is a good QB... BUT, if you can sit here with a straight face and say Trevor is playing elite/top 5 QB football... We aren't looking at the same QB.
(10-17-2023, 03:44 PM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]once we get rolling and trevor has more trust. we could be very dangeroud, we are scoring 30+ in 2 games and won by double digits in all 4 wins. with a 1/2 power offense.
great time to be a jaguar fan.
(10-17-2023, 05:36 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2023, 05:18 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]It was a poor call for the situation. We didn't even need to burn much clock here or get a 1st down. Just get the 3 score lead.
What's kind of disappointing is Petersen tripling down on how right the call was when being questioned.
The call was fine. If he’d called a run between the tackles and ETN had blown out his knee you’d be saying they should have dropped back and attempted a pass. Fans are gonna fan.
(10-18-2023, 07:51 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2023, 05:36 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]The call was fine. If he’d called a run between the tackles and ETN had blown out his knee you’d be saying they should have dropped back and attempted a pass. Fans are gonna fan.
I think we've been over this, the wise fan would understand that's the safe call to make, and fan that fans is gonna call out the lineman who missed a block or the tackler who wrenched on the leg to make the stop or the groundskeeper who left the grass a shade too long.
(11-12-2023, 06:12 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 05:34 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think its that serious, but if im coaching him im working on the basics. Hes made the easy plays look challenging often and thats worrying.
(11-12-2023, 05:40 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]You can simultaneously criticize him and still hope he stays. If I were the QB coach, I'd start by just trying to eliminate the silly mistakes and improving the decision making in the pocket. I realize the OL sucks but he seems to be missing open guys way too much. Need to work on ball security. Reducing the small mistakes can add up.
So we're happy he is our qb but he still isn't good enough. If he doesn't get any better and this is who he is, can we win a super bowl with him? And if not, how much longer do you givevhim to improve? I take it neither of you are giving him a 2nd contract at this point.
They would both love to see him in a Clots or Tacks uniform when his contract is up.
(11-12-2023, 06:59 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've made about 20 posts today referencing his mistakes.
Don't mischaracterize my argument. That's weak.
Wow... Just wow.
You are the master of mischaracterizing another poster's argument.
Posts that serve only to attack another board member and do not contribute in any way to the thread topic are subject to warnings.
That one is free.
(11-12-2023, 06:57 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've made about 20 posts today referencing his mistakes.
Don't mischaracterize my argument. That's weak.
Homie you were trying to tell me he was an elite QB amidst one of the worst rookie campaigns I can recall, you were telling me how good he was during an 8 game stretch where he couldnt get the ball to the endzone. You have ridden that bandwagon even when he was awful. The only smart thing that comes from your posts is the blindingly obvious fact that our O line sucks, it's probably why it's the only thing you talk about.
LOL
None of that is accurate. You have a bad memory and you are attempting to hyperbolize my stance to make some sort of point.
Just stop.
I tried to agree to disagree with you several posts ago.
(11-12-2023, 06:57 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've made about 20 posts today referencing his mistakes.
Don't mischaracterize my argument. That's weak.
Homie you were trying to tell me he was an elite QB amidst one of the worst rookie campaigns I can recall, you were telling me how good he was during an 8 game stretch where he couldnt get the ball to the endzone. You have ridden that bandwagon even when he was awful. The only smart thing that comes from your posts is the blindingly obvious fact that our O line sucks, it's probably why it's the only thing you talk about.
No one here was calling him elite on his rookie year, we were preaching patience.
You however said he was trash, garbage and other opinions. Then got caught using a dual account, lied through your teeth, and still got a second chance from the mods. You then backpedaled and said you never said Trevor was trash, even when shown by other posters multiple times you did in fact.
You’ve used up your goodwill here in my opinion. If any was left
Right now, the national narrative about the Jaguars and Lawrence is correct. Right now.
(11-12-2023, 07:06 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 06:57 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Homie you were trying to tell me he was an elite QB amidst one of the worst rookie campaigns I can recall, you were telling me how good he was during an 8 game stretch where he couldnt get the ball to the endzone. You have ridden that bandwagon even when he was awful. The only smart thing that comes from your posts is the blindingly obvious fact that our O line sucks, it's probably why it's the only thing you talk about.
No one here was calling him elite on his rookie year, we were preaching patience.
You however said he was trash, garbage and other opinions. Then got caught using a dual account, lied through your teeth, and still got a second chance from the mods. You then backpedaled and said you never said Trevor was trash, even when shown by other posters multiple times you did in fact.
You’ve used up your goodwill here in my opinion. If any was left
Let me correct you.
I said "how can you defend that trash" after a terrible interception, calling the play trash. I never used a second account, and I got unbanned by messaging another mod about it, nyc/fps would never. I never said Trevor was trash.
keep riding tho.
(11-12-2023, 07:13 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 07:06 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]No one here was calling him elite on his rookie year, we were preaching patience.
You however said he was trash, garbage and other opinions. Then got caught using a dual account, lied through your teeth, and still got a second chance from the mods. You then backpedaled and said you never said Trevor was trash, even when shown by other posters multiple times you did in fact.
You’ve used up your goodwill here in my opinion. If any was left
Let me correct you.
I said "how can you defend that trash" after a terrible interception, calling the play trash. I never used a second account, and I got unbanned by messaging another mod about it, nyc/fps would never. I never said Trevor was trash.
keep riding tho.
You have received formal warning in the past for lying about moderation.
I will continue to add warnings if you continue to lie about our rule enforcement.
Your account and the other one in question had identical IP addresses. You're rule violation and ensuing ban are not up for discussion here. It happened. It happened validly according to our CoC. And it will happen again if you continue to lie about the enforcement actions of the moderation team.