Ok bean counter.
If you wanna get into touchdown percentage and not acknowledge that Allen has 21 more touchdowns and fewer turnovers in the same amount of games, I’m done.
(02-01-2024, 10:31 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Ok bean counter.
If you wanna get into touchdown percentage and not acknowledge that Allen has 21 more touchdowns and fewer turnovers in the same amount of games, I’m done.
I did acknowledge it. I said he had a ridiculously high TD% that year.
If you don't want to look at metrics and just go by the TD/INT ratios and whatnot that's fine.
I never said Trevor was better than Allen.
I said they've had similar arcs where Allen took off year three and if Trevor didn't get injured and we had addressed the OL I,
in my opinion, feel he would have done the same bc a lot of the advanced analytics show that he was pretty close to Allen efficiency wise.
I never said Trevor was better. I never said he had the same year 3. You seem stuck on thinking that saying they've been on a similar trajectory means I think Trevor played just as well as Allen. I'm saying we'll never know due to injuries and bad OL play but based on his analytics it's reasonable to
ASSUME he would have if he had a similar supporting cast/health that Allen had. And that if we address those issues I expect to see that this coming season.
(02-01-2024, 10:31 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Ok bean counter.
If you wanna get into touchdown percentage and not acknowledge that Allen has 21 more touchdowns and fewer turnovers in the same amount of games, I’m done.
Rather than name calling, just say you don't understand how analytics plays a part in evaluating players. It's not the end all be all but it plays a part.
Turnover Trevor is a good name for him. No one has had more since he has entered the league. At lease he is #1 at something. Hopefully he can clean it up next year.
(02-01-2024, 07:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Turnover Trevor is a good name for him. No one has had more since he has entered the league. At lease he is #1 at something. Hopefully he can clean it up next year.
Guys first 3 seasons are practically identical to Blake Bortles but he deserves top 5 money.
Hard projection on this board.
(02-01-2024, 08:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2024, 07:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Turnover Trevor is a good name for him. No one has had more since he has entered the league. At lease he is #1 at something. Hopefully he can clean it up next year.
Guys first 3 seasons are practically identical to Blake Bortles but he deserves top 5 money.
Hard projection on this board.
The single worst thing a Qb can do is turn the ball over. The reality is He does it more then anyone. He better clean that up. I do not think it is wise to give him a big deal. Despite no matter how bad we want it,he may not be the Franchise. I am not balls deep into the Trevor Train like everyone else. I want him to be but the reality that any non fanboy would be insane not to question his game. Time will tell but right now I am on the fence.
I am giving him the nick name Turnover Trevor.
Whole lot of brain dead takes in these last couple posts.
(02-02-2024, 12:53 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2024, 08:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Guys first 3 seasons are practically identical to Blake Bortles but he deserves top 5 money.
Hard projection on this board.
The single worst thing a Qb can do is turn the ball over. The reality is He does it more then anyone. He better clean that up. I do not think it is wise to give him a big deal. Despite no matter how bad we want it,he may not be the Franchise. I am not balls deep into the Trevor Train like everyone else. I want him to be but the reality that any non fanboy would be insane not to question his game. Time will tell but right now I am on the fence.
I am giving him the nick name Turnover Trevor.
Such a clever nickname. Did you come up with that yourself big guy?
Back on topic a bit. Lawrence has the following qualities to him:
1. Durability.
2. Toughness.
3. Leadership.
4. Superior Arm Talent.
Here's some things he needs to work on, which is fair:
1. Ball security.
2. Yelling at his offensive lineman for not being good enough.
3. Yelling at his receivers for running the wrong routes and costing them turnovers.
4. Protecting himself more when he's running away from the shanty shack of a pocket that's been created so he doesn't injure himself.
Trajectory wise, I think he'll have his best season year-to-date. My early expectations are the following statistically as I expect them to fix the obvious issues on this football team between March & April.
2024 - Pass Attempts = 575, Pass Completions = 400, Completion Percentage = 69.5, Pass Yardage = 4,200, Passing Touchdowns = 33, Interceptions = 10, Quarterback Rating = 97.9, Rushing Attempts = 75, Rushin Yardage = 385, Rushing Touchdowns = 8, Fumbles = 5, Fumbles Lost = 2
This is what I would consider the "goldilocks zone" for him as a high end talent in the NFL. This should be his standard moving forward. I legitimately believe these numbers above, at the minimum, barring any significant woes on the defensive side of the football, should merit at least an 11 or more win season for this team yearly.
We're getting closer I think. He's still young. Soon the Sunshine Brett Favre moniker will go away and I think we'll start seeing him more as a Peyton Manning from the pocket, Aaron Rodgers from outside the pocket type of Quarterback out of him.
(09-24-2023, 04:19 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2023, 04:10 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]No line protection for sure. Trevor missed some throws and there was drops. Commentator even mentioned he missed open guys they even showed some replays but maybe hes getting gun shy from the protection idk. I just know Stroud looked much better today.
I mean my goodness … on tank dells two deep balls they were complete busts ! No safety in the middle of the field corner outside leverage so he can just run a skinny post and completely get behind the defense ? Are we serious? And the TD what the heck have we never played a bunch set before ?
Multiple other receivers with no one in the vicinity and 0 pressure on a Backup o line ?
Watch stroud will end up looking like every other rookie QB for most of the rest of the year ….
We just managed to make a game so easy for a rookie it looked like he was playing against Rutgers when he was at Ohio state…
Pathetic .
Heads need to roll for this . At least figure out who wants to man up and do their fricking jobs . What these grown men are getting paid to sticking do .
(02-02-2024, 09:43 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Back on topic a bit. Lawrence has the following qualities to him:
1. Durability.
2. Toughness.
3. Leadership.
4. Superior Arm Talent.
Here's some things he needs to work on, which is fair:
1. Ball security.
2. Yelling at his offensive lineman for not being good enough.
3. Yelling at his receivers for running the wrong routes and costing them turnovers.
4. Protecting himself more when he's running away from the shanty shack of a pocket that's been created so he doesn't injure himself.
Trajectory wise, I think he'll have his best season year-to-date. My early expectations are the following statistically as I expect them to fix the obvious issues on this football team between March & April.
2024 - Pass Attempts = 575, Pass Completions = 400, Completion Percentage = 69.5, Pass Yardage = 4,200, Passing Touchdowns = 33, Interceptions = 10, Quarterback Rating = 97.9, Rushing Attempts = 75, Rushin Yardage = 385, Rushing Touchdowns = 8, Fumbles = 5, Fumbles Lost = 2
This is what I would consider the "goldilocks zone" for him as a high end talent in the NFL. This should be his standard moving forward. I legitimately believe these numbers above, at the minimum, barring any significant woes on the defensive side of the football, should merit at least an 11 or more win season for this team yearly.
We're getting closer I think. He's still young. Soon the Sunshine Brett Favre moniker will go away and I think we'll start seeing him more as a Peyton Manning from the pocket, Aaron Rodgers from outside the pocket type of Quarterback out of him.
Yeah I am so tired man
He has to fix turnovers and maybe consistency on accuracy other then that he has elite abilities. He could of had 30 tds this season with less turnovers and drops. A certain group here they clearly want him to fail so they can say told you so.
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(02-01-2024, 08:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2024, 07:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Turnover Trevor is a good name for him. No one has had more since he has entered the league. At lease he is #1 at something. Hopefully he can clean it up next year.
Guys first 3 seasons are practically identical to Blake Bortles but he deserves top 5 money.
Hard projection on this board.
"deserves" and "likely to be offered" are not the same thing, nanner.
Some of understand the nature of the game and accept reality. If we want to keep him long term, lowballing ain't gonna get it done, nor are you gonna see anyone else want to join the party, either.
(02-02-2024, 11:03 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2024, 08:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Guys first 3 seasons are practically identical to Blake Bortles but he deserves top 5 money.
Hard projection on this board.
"deserves" and "likely to be offered" are not the same thing, nanner.
Some of understand the nature of the game and accept reality. If we want to keep him long term, lowballing ain't gonna get it done, nor are you gonna see anyone else want to join the party, either.
I'll take "Ways To Lose Your Locker Room" for $1000, Alex.
If I'm Trevor, I'm not in a hurry to negotiate coming off of last year if the team thinks they're getting some big discount because of it. You either pay me top 5 money now and we'll revisit in 2 years when I'm outperforming what will then be a top 10 deal or we wait a year and I reset the market next offseason. That would be my mentality if I were him or his agent.
(02-02-2024, 11:24 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm Trevor, I'm not in a hurry to negotiate coming off of last year if the team thinks they're getting some big discount because of it. You either pay me top 5 money now and we'll revisit in 2 years when I'm outperforming what will then be a top 10 deal or we wait a year and I reset the market next offseason. That would be my mentality if I were him or his agent.
There’s something more important at stake for Lawrence; his health and his future as a starting quarterback.
If I were him, I would wait to see if the OL needs are addressed with priority and competence. If not, I walk (or limp badly) after next season. It’s really that bad.
(02-02-2024, 11:41 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 11:24 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm Trevor, I'm not in a hurry to negotiate coming off of last year if the team thinks they're getting some big discount because of it. You either pay me top 5 money now and we'll revisit in 2 years when I'm outperforming what will then be a top 10 deal or we wait a year and I reset the market next offseason. That would be my mentality if I were him or his agent.
There’s something more important at stake for Lawrence; his health and his future as a starting quarterback.
If I were him, I would wait to see if the OL needs are addressed with priority and competence. If not, I walk (or limp badly) after next season. It’s really that bad.
Judging by the comments from Trevors dad, this is a very likely scenario.
If they're not fixed, he gets traded to the Rams to take over for Stafford and wins a SB or two there.
Paying Trevor is virtually the only thing you can do. He and Doug are too good to get us a top draft pick. You show him the green and bank on him doing better.
CJB is comparing him to Bortles? Really? Does he have eyes?
(02-02-2024, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 11:03 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]"deserves" and "likely to be offered" are not the same thing, nanner.
Some of understand the nature of the game and accept reality. If we want to keep him long term, lowballing ain't gonna get it done, nor are you gonna see anyone else want to join the party, either.
I'll take "Ways To Lose Your Locker Room" for $1000, Alex.
Offering the turnover leader over the past 3 seasons top 15 money is anything but a lowball
(02-02-2024, 12:38 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Paying Trevor is virtually the only thing you can do. He and Doug are too good to get us a top draft pick. You show him the green and bank on him doing better.
CJB is comparing him to Bortles? Really? Does he have eyes?
He has more talent than Bortles, however his numbers and production are about the same through 3 seasons. Bortles had far worse surrounding talent and gus bradley to boot.
(02-02-2024, 11:58 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 11:41 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s something more important at stake for Lawrence; his health and his future as a starting quarterback.
If I were him, I would wait to see if the OL needs are addressed with priority and competence. If not, I walk (or limp badly) after next season. It’s really that bad.
Judging by the comments from Trevors dad, this is a very likely scenario.
If they're not fixed, he gets traded to the Rams to take over for Stafford and wins a SB or two there.
What did has Dad say directly? I only recall some people on X pointing out that he was just liking or loving certain comments that allude to this team being fairly [BLEEP] around his Son.
(02-02-2024, 12:38 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Paying Trevor is virtually the only thing you can do. He and Doug are too good to get us a top draft pick. You show him the green and bank on him doing better.
CJB is comparing him to Bortles? Really? Does he have eyes?
He doesn't have eyes unless it's to fit his very slanted and narrowminded agenda. Bortles couldn't carry Lawrence's jockstrap. They're not the same QB at all. You can harp on turnovers all you want, that's fine, to some extent. Even then, there's a night and day difference when it comes to their mechanics, their general arm talent and their overall qualities as leaders.
Bortles was a [BLEEP] lazy [BLEEP] interview and his body language always read off as a guy that just simply didn't give a [BLEEP] and would pretend that he did sometimes. He never wanted to take the reigns or lead this team the way it needed to be done. I don't hate the guy. I don't blame him. He was picked by an incompetent front office and coached by easily one of the worst coaches we ever had here. Let alone, in NFL history if we're being brutally honest.
(02-02-2024, 02:12 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 11:58 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Judging by the comments from Trevors dad, this is a very likely scenario.
If they're not fixed, he gets traded to the Rams to take over for Stafford and wins a SB or two there.
What did has Dad say directly? I only recall some people on X pointing out that he was just liking or loving certain comments that allude to this team being fairly [BLEEP] around his Son.
(02-02-2024, 12:38 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Paying Trevor is virtually the only thing you can do. He and Doug are too good to get us a top draft pick. You show him the green and bank on him doing better.
CJB is comparing him to Bortles? Really? Does he have eyes?
He doesn't have eyes unless it's to fit his very slanted and narrowminded agenda. Bortles couldn't carry Lawrence's jockstrap. They're not the same QB at all. You can harp on turnovers all you want, that's fine, to some extent. Even then, there's a night and day difference when it comes to their mechanics, their general arm talent and their overall qualities as leaders.
Bortles was a [BLEEP] lazy [BLEEP] interview and his body language always read off as a guy that just simply didn't give a [BLEEP] and would pretend that he did sometimes. He never wanted to take the reigns or lead this team the way it needed to be done. I don't hate the guy. I don't blame him. He was picked by an incompetent front office and coached by easily one of the worst coaches we ever had here. Let alone, in NFL history if we're being brutally honest.
He didn't say anything directly but a lot of his likes were in regards to Fortner and the line being trash.