(02-02-2024, 12:38 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Paying Trevor is virtually the only thing you can do. He and Doug are too good to get us a top draft pick. You show him the green and bank on him doing better.
CJB is comparing him to Bortles? Really? Does he have eyes?
Based on recent posting it may be an excess of testosterone in comparison to the rest of us ladies
(02-02-2024, 02:21 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 12:38 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Paying Trevor is virtually the only thing you can do. He and Doug are too good to get us a top draft pick. You show him the green and bank on him doing better.
CJB is comparing him to Bortles? Really? Does he have eyes?
Based on recent posting it may be an excess of testosterone in comparison to the rest of us ladies
Yeah certainly, let's take a look at the top 4 highest paid QBs at the start of last season.
Burrow - first 3 years - 82 TDs - 31 ints - 11,774 passing yards (despite missing most of his rookie season to injury
Mahomes (first 3 years starting, played one game rookie season) - 114 TDs - 23 ints - 13868 passing yards.
Jackson (first 3 years, barely played rookie season) 95 TDs (19 Rushing/78 passing) 18 ints 7,085 passing yards, 2,906 rushing yards.
Herbert (first 3 years) 94 TDs - 35 ints - 14,089 passing yards
So now let's say Trevor slides in at #5 in his new contract.
Trevor Lawrence (first 3 years) 58 TDs - 39 Ints - 11,770 passing yards.
In what world is he even remotely close to the above mentioned? Burrow missing half a season or so his rookie year still completely outclasses him in TDs. Lamarr while being considered a run first QB still demolishes him in passing TDs
Herbert and Mahomes statistically are insane when you look at passing numbers alone.
He is not a top 5 QB, he may be a low end top 10 QB but he does not deserve a mega deal.
I even left out the worst stat to help his case, his absurd 33 fumbles would make this worse.
(02-02-2024, 05:16 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 02:21 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Based on recent posting it may be an excess of testosterone in comparison to the rest of us ladies
Yeah certainly, let's take a look at the top 4 highest paid QBs at the start of last season.
Burrow - first 3 years - 82 TDs - 31 ints - 11,774 passing yards (despite missing most of his rookie season to injury
Mahomes (first 3 years starting, played one game rookie season) - 114 TDs - 23 ints - 13868 passing yards.
Jackson (first 3 years, barely played rookie season) 95 TDs (19 Rushing/78 passing) 18 ints 7,085 passing yards, 2,906 rushing yards.
Herbert (first 3 years) 94 TDs - 35 ints - 14,089 passing yards
So now let's say Trevor slides in at #5 in his new contract.
Trevor Lawrence (first 3 years) 58 TDs - 39 Ints - 11,770 passing yards.
In what world is he even remotely close to the above mentioned? Burrow missing half a season or so his rookie year still completely outclasses him in TDs. Lamarr while being considered a run first QB still demolishes him in passing TDs
Herbert and Mahomes statistically are insane when you look at passing numbers alone.
He is not a top 5 QB, he may be a low end top 10 QB but he does not deserve a mega deal.
I even left out the worst stat to help his case, his absurd 33 fumbles would make this worse.
Good stuff man. All they have is stupid opinions and dumb insults while you hit them with facts. Paying a turnover machine top 5 money? I swear some of these board members are smoking some crazy stuff m
(02-02-2024, 06:19 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 05:16 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah certainly, let's take a look at the top 4 highest paid QBs at the start of last season.
Burrow - first 3 years - 82 TDs - 31 ints - 11,774 passing yards (despite missing most of his rookie season to injury
Mahomes (first 3 years starting, played one game rookie season) - 114 TDs - 23 ints - 13868 passing yards.
Jackson (first 3 years, barely played rookie season) 95 TDs (19 Rushing/78 passing) 18 ints 7,085 passing yards, 2,906 rushing yards.
Herbert (first 3 years) 94 TDs - 35 ints - 14,089 passing yards
So now let's say Trevor slides in at #5 in his new contract.
Trevor Lawrence (first 3 years) 58 TDs - 39 Ints - 11,770 passing yards.
In what world is he even remotely close to the above mentioned? Burrow missing half a season or so his rookie year still completely outclasses him in TDs. Lamarr while being considered a run first QB still demolishes him in passing TDs
Herbert and Mahomes statistically are insane when you look at passing numbers alone.
He is not a top 5 QB, he may be a low end top 10 QB but he does not deserve a mega deal.
I even left out the worst stat to help his case, his absurd 33 fumbles would make this worse.
Good stuff man. All they have is stupid opinions and dumb insults while you hit them with facts. Paying a turnover machine top 5 money? I swear some of these board members are smoking some crazy stuff m
Its been ignorant bias and excuses from biased fans who rather than own up to their own poor inaccurate statistically proven false takes who would rather take what i say from me simply pointing out facts and spin it into me saying hes a bust.
(02-02-2024, 09:00 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 12:53 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]The single worst thing a Qb can do is turn the ball over. The reality is He does it more then anyone. He better clean that up. I do not think it is wise to give him a big deal. Despite no matter how bad we want it,he may not be the Franchise. I am not balls deep into the Trevor Train like everyone else. I want him to be but the reality that any non fanboy would be insane not to question his game. Time will tell but right now I am on the fence.
I am giving him the nick name Turnover Trevor.
Such a clever nickname. Did you come up with that yourself big guy?
Yea I did. I find it pretty cleaver.
We all want the same thing. We want Lawrence to be a franchise QB in the realm of a Burrow or Mahomes or Allen breed. The reality is he is a far from that. Lawrence is in the Geno Smith category in my opinion. Some of you are so blind a fan you can't be objective about this. That is fine but not everyone is drinking the kool-aid. I hope this time next year that you are rubbing my skepticism in my face if he balls out this year. He has shown flashes of greatness but his overall body of work is pedestrian when you consider the draft pick and the hype. You can't win if you turnover the ball and Lawrence can't stop doing that. I hear all the excuses but I call bs on that. Any QB drafted 1st overall is going on to a bad team. Luck's line was horrible so was Allens so was Burrow's etc. Every QB has receivers that drop balls. We have a QB who throws in the 20td range but also in the 20 turnover range.
Fun fact: Lawrence has
60 turnovers in 3 years. That is losing football and inexcusable by any measure.
I am so sick of reading on this board that every time that someone has a legit critic of Master Lawrence there is a handful of internet bullies who insult or insinuate they are dumb or do not know what they are talking about. Just because you convinced yourself that Lawrence is a top 5 QB and we should pay him a crazy salary doesn't mean everyone is drinking the kool-aid. If you are not seriously questioning his game you may need to look in the mirror before you hurl insults.
ESPN also questions Lawrence too:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3943...oblem-2023
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(02-02-2024, 07:50 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 06:19 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Good stuff man. All they have is stupid opinions and dumb insults while you hit them with facts. Paying a turnover machine top 5 money? I swear some of these board members are smoking some crazy stuff m
Its been ignorant bias and excuses from biased fans who rather than own up to their own poor inaccurate statistically proven false takes who would rather take what i say from me simply pointing out facts and spin it into me saying hes a bust.
I would take CJ Stroud over Lawrence straight up right now.
(02-02-2024, 08:00 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 09:00 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Such a clever nickname. Did you come up with that yourself big guy?
Yea I did. I find it pretty cleaver.
We all want the same thing. We want Lawrence to be a franchise QB in the realm of a Burrow or Mahomes or Allen breed. The reality is he is a far from that. Lawrence is in the Geno Smith category in my opinion. Some of you are so blind a fan you can't be objective about this. That is fine but not everyone is drinking the kool-aid. I hope this time next year that you are rubbing my skepticism in my face if he balls out this year. He has shown flashes of greatness but his overall body of work is pedestrian when you consider the draft pick and the hype. You can't win if you turnover the ball and Lawrence can't stop doing that. I hear all the excuses but I call bs on that. Any QB drafted 1st overall is going on to a bad team. Luck's line was horrible so was Allens so was Burrow's etc. Every QB has receivers that drop balls. We have a QB who throws in the 20td range but also in the 20 turnover range.
Fun fact: Lawrence has 60 turnovers in 3 years. That is losing football and inexcusable by any measure.
I am so sick of reading on this board that every time that someone has a legit critic of Master Lawrence there is a handful of internet bullies who insult or insinuate they are dumb or do not know what they are talking about. Just because you convinced yourself that Lawrence is a top 5 QB and we should pay him a crazy salary doesn't mean everyone is drinking the kool-aid. If you are not seriously questioning his game you may need to look in the mirror before you hurl insults.
ESPN also questions Lawrence too: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3943...oblem-2023
(02-02-2024, 07:50 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Its been ignorant bias and excuses from biased fans who rather than own up to their own poor inaccurate statistically proven false takes who would rather take what i say from me simply pointing out facts and spin it into me saying hes a bust.
I would take CJ Stroud over Lawrence straight up right now.
Please id trade Trevor and a few picks for Stroud. That kid has “it”. Hes gonna be a problem for years to come.
(02-02-2024, 08:04 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 08:00 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Yea I did. I find it pretty cleaver.
We all want the same thing. We want Lawrence to be a franchise QB in the realm of a Burrow or Mahomes or Allen breed. The reality is he is a far from that. Lawrence is in the Geno Smith category in my opinion. Some of you are so blind a fan you can't be objective about this. That is fine but not everyone is drinking the kool-aid. I hope this time next year that you are rubbing my skepticism in my face if he balls out this year. He has shown flashes of greatness but his overall body of work is pedestrian when you consider the draft pick and the hype. You can't win if you turnover the ball and Lawrence can't stop doing that. I hear all the excuses but I call bs on that. Any QB drafted 1st overall is going on to a bad team. Luck's line was horrible so was Allens so was Burrow's etc. Every QB has receivers that drop balls. We have a QB who throws in the 20td range but also in the 20 turnover range.
Fun fact: Lawrence has 60 turnovers in 3 years. That is losing football and inexcusable by any measure.
I am so sick of reading on this board that every time that someone has a legit critic of Master Lawrence there is a handful of internet bullies who insult or insinuate they are dumb or do not know what they are talking about. Just because you convinced yourself that Lawrence is a top 5 QB and we should pay him a crazy salary doesn't mean everyone is drinking the kool-aid. If you are not seriously questioning his game you may need to look in the mirror before you hurl insults.
ESPN also questions Lawrence too: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3943...oblem-2023
I would take CJ Stroud over Lawrence straight up right now.
Please id trade Trevor and a few picks for Stroud. That kid has “it”. Hes gonna be a problem for years to come.
I would wait. Year two with Stroud is going to be interesting. Slowik will have to start counter balancing a lot of things now as a coordinator as well.
I think that loss to the Ravens showed you how to effect him as a passer and that running around stuff in the pocket is cute until you get popped and end up missing two games with a concussion.
They now have the pressure to repeat in 2024 just like we did in 2023. He thrives off play action though and that's where this new defensive coaching staff is going to have to focus on and get these guys to stay disciplined.
Everybody thought RGIII had 'it' after year one. Everybody thought Mac Jones had 'it' after year one. [BLEEP] happens all the time in the NFL.
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(02-02-2024, 08:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 08:04 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Please id trade Trevor and a few picks for Stroud. That kid has “it”. Hes gonna be a problem for years to come.
I would wait. Year two with Stroud is going to be interesting. Slowik will have to start counter balancing a lot of things now as a coordinator as well.
I think that loss to the Ravens showed you how to effect him as a passer and that running around stuff in the pocket is cute until you get popped and end up missing two games with a concussion.
They now have the pressure to repeat in 2024 just like we did in 2023. He thrives off play action though and that's where this new defensive coaching staff is going to have to focus on and get these guys to stay disciplined.
Everybody thought RGIII had 'it' after year one. Everybody thought Mac Jones had 'it' after year one. [BLEEP] happens all the time in the NFL.
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I was told he was going to be a bust. I can’t remember who said that.
(02-02-2024, 09:09 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 08:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I would wait. Year two with Stroud is going to be interesting. Slowik will have to start counter balancing a lot of things now as a coordinator as well.
I think that loss to the Ravens showed you how to effect him as a passer and that running around stuff in the pocket is cute until you get popped and end up missing two games with a concussion.
They now have the pressure to repeat in 2024 just like we did in 2023. He thrives off play action though and that's where this new defensive coaching staff is going to have to focus on and get these guys to stay disciplined.
Everybody thought RGIII had 'it' after year one. Everybody thought Mac Jones had 'it' after year one. [BLEEP] happens all the time in the NFL.
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I was told he was going to be a bust. I can’t remember who said that.
Right here, I thought he was another Ohio product that performed well in college based on the extremely simplified offense they run and abundant talent around him.
Lookie there, I was wrong.
Sorry tho, haven't been wrong on Trevor yet. I know that's what you really want to hear.
(02-02-2024, 08:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 08:04 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Please id trade Trevor and a few picks for Stroud. That kid has “it”. Hes gonna be a problem for years to come.
I would wait. Year two with Stroud is going to be interesting. Slowik will have to start counter balancing a lot of things now as a coordinator as well.
I think that loss to the Ravens showed you how to effect him as a passer and that running around stuff in the pocket is cute until you get popped and end up missing two games with a concussion.
They now have the pressure to repeat in 2024 just like we did in 2023. He thrives off play action though and that's where this new defensive coaching staff is going to have to focus on and get these guys to stay disciplined.
Everybody thought RGIII had 'it' after year one. Everybody thought Mac Jones had 'it' after year one. [BLEEP] happens all the time in the NFL.
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Who is everyone? I never looked at RG3 and thought he was an elite QB. I thought he had scary speed at the QB position which was a rarity at the time, but comparing RG3 and Stroud is downright ignorant. Stroud passes the eye test with flying colors. Something Trevor has not been able to acomplish.
(02-02-2024, 09:32 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 09:09 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I was told he was going to be a bust. I can’t remember who said that.
Right here, I thought he was another Ohio product that performed well in college based on the extremely simplified offense they run and abundant talent around him.
Lookie there, I was wrong.
Sorry tho, haven't been wrong on Trevor yet. I know that's what you really want to hear.
(02-02-2024, 08:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I would wait. Year two with Stroud is going to be interesting. Slowik will have to start counter balancing a lot of things now as a coordinator as well.
I think that loss to the Ravens showed you how to effect him as a passer and that running around stuff in the pocket is cute until you get popped and end up missing two games with a concussion.
They now have the pressure to repeat in 2024 just like we did in 2023. He thrives off play action though and that's where this new defensive coaching staff is going to have to focus on and get these guys to stay disciplined.
Everybody thought RGIII had 'it' after year one. Everybody thought Mac Jones had 'it' after year one. [BLEEP] happens all the time in the NFL.
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Who is everyone? I never looked at RG3 and thought he was an elite QB. I thought he had scary speed at the QB position which was a rarity at the time, but comparing RG3 and Stroud is downright ignorant. Stroud passes the eye test with flying colors. Something Trevor has not been able to acomplish.
RGIII easily one of the best rookie seasons in modern history and he took the Redskins to the play offs in year one. It was a universally accepted thought by the majority of the MSM.
His rookie debut game against the Saints was memorable. 20 TD passes Vs. 5 INTs, 3200 yards passing with another 800+ yards and 8 TDs. He was 9 - 6 as a starter. 65.6% completion percentage.
No clue what your thoughts were. That was back in 2012. He was good though. Same offense and similar concepts CJ had with Slowik because its the same offense RGIII had minus the RPO stuff the Shanahan's ran. Slowik was there.
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(02-02-2024, 08:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 08:04 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Please id trade Trevor and a few picks for Stroud. That kid has “it”. Hes gonna be a problem for years to come.
I would wait. Year two with Stroud is going to be interesting. Slowik will have to start counter balancing a lot of things now as a coordinator as well.
I think that loss to the Ravens showed you how to effect him as a passer and that running around stuff in the pocket is cute until you get popped and end up missing two games with a concussion.
They now have the pressure to repeat in 2024 just like we did in 2023. He thrives off play action though and that's where this new defensive coaching staff is going to have to focus on and get these guys to stay disciplined.
Everybody thought RGIII had 'it' after year one. Everybody thought Mac Jones had 'it' after year one. [BLEEP] happens all the time in the NFL.
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No one thought Mac Jones had "it" and RGIII could have been great, but I think his injury in the playoffs just derailed his career and he couldn't stay healthy after that.
(02-02-2024, 10:07 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 08:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I would wait. Year two with Stroud is going to be interesting. Slowik will have to start counter balancing a lot of things now as a coordinator as well.
I think that loss to the Ravens showed you how to effect him as a passer and that running around stuff in the pocket is cute until you get popped and end up missing two games with a concussion.
They now have the pressure to repeat in 2024 just like we did in 2023. He thrives off play action though and that's where this new defensive coaching staff is going to have to focus on and get these guys to stay disciplined.
Everybody thought RGIII had 'it' after year one. Everybody thought Mac Jones had 'it' after year one. [BLEEP] happens all the time in the NFL.
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No one thought Mac Jones had "it" and RGIII could have been great, but I think his injury in the playoffs just derailed his career and he couldn't stay healthy after that.
Really? Nobody? Mac? Ok...
https://youtu.be/T_FEz1M99jQ?si=cTtrOkWflvBCbING
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(02-02-2024, 02:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'll take "Ways To Lose Your Locker Room" for $1000, Alex.
Offering the turnover leader over the past 3 seasons top 15 money is anything but a lowball
(02-02-2024, 12:38 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Paying Trevor is virtually the only thing you can do. He and Doug are too good to get us a top draft pick. You show him the green and bank on him doing better.
CJB is comparing him to Bortles? Really? Does he have eyes?
He has more talent than Bortles, however his numbers and production are about the same through 3 seasons. Bortles had far worse surrounding talent and gus bradley to boot.
Simply false. Bortles had a better OL and a better Defense around him.
Regardless, using Bortles and Lawrence in the same discussion just shows you have absolutely no idea about what you're watching.
(02-03-2024, 01:38 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 02:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Offering the turnover leader over the past 3 seasons top 15 money is anything but a lowball
He has more talent than Bortles, however his numbers and production are about the same through 3 seasons. Bortles had far worse surrounding talent and gus bradley to boot.
Simply false. Bortles had a better OL and a better Defense around him.
Regardless, using Bortles and Lawrence in the same discussion just shows you have absolutely no idea about what you're watching.
Yes we all know bortles had all time greats like aj cann and zane beadles.. and the d was good in 2017, not 14-15-16 which are the first 3 years
(02-03-2024, 01:49 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 01:38 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Simply false. Bortles had a better OL and a better Defense around him.
Regardless, using Bortles and Lawrence in the same discussion just shows you have absolutely no idea about what you're watching.
Yes we all know bortles had all time greats like aj cann and zane beadles.. and the d was good in 2017, not 14-15-16 which are the first 3 years
You do know that a huge part of Bortles stats from 2014-2016 were when the team was getting smoked and he was piling up garbage time numbers against prevent defenses?
Or are you just regurgitating numbers?
Or do you just choose not to remember that?
I can see both sides of the argument here. The last half of this past season opened up discussion we didn't anticipate. Is Trevor only slightly better than pedestrian with a turnover problem, or did the bad OL force mistakes? Some QBs need more protection than others. Brock Purdy would not be as productive without that wall in front of him, whereas Mahomes would show signs of stress but could still make good things happen. Lawrence falls more to the Purdy side of the scale. He's forcing plays to compensate for a bad OL and the mistakes are piling up while production plummets.
Make the OL a priority this season and hold off renewing his contract until we see if that facilitates the production we expect. Then, we pay him accordingly. No?
(02-03-2024, 01:38 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 02:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Offering the turnover leader over the past 3 seasons top 15 money is anything but a lowball
He has more talent than Bortles, however his numbers and production are about the same through 3 seasons. Bortles had far worse surrounding talent and gus bradley to boot.
Simply false. Bortles had a better OL and a better Defense around him.
Regardless, using Bortles and Lawrence in the same discussion just shows you have absolutely no idea about what you're watching.
Same with people using Trevor and Mahomes.
When they sign Tlaw to a top 5 contract will you weenie haters please leave forever and never come back?
He deserves top 10-15 money but no one gets what they truly deserve, they get more coughDanielJonescough. Give him 8-10 money. He really doesn't deserve more.