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Waiting for CJB to tell us how glad he is that TLaw is playing up to the level he always knew he would.

(07-19-2023, 02:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Waiting for CJB to tell us how glad he is that TLaw is playing up to the level he always knew he would.

Why would i say that? That would be lying, i never assumed to think he’d be a top tier QB. (Which hes gonna need more than 8 good games to be in that category)

(07-22-2023, 05:06 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2023, 02:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Waiting for CJB to tell us how glad he is that TLaw is playing up to the level he always knew he would.

Why would i say that? That would be lying, i never assumed to think he’d be a top tier QB. (Which hes gonna need more than 8 good games to be in that category)

It's coming little guy, we all know it.

(07-22-2023, 05:06 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2023, 02:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Waiting for CJB to tell us how glad he is that TLaw is playing up to the level he always knew he would.

Why would i say that? That would be lying, i never assumed to think he’d be a top tier QB. (Which hes gonna need more than 8 good games to be in that category)

He’s already a top tier QB. Bro he’s already here. He arrived when he spiked the football in the ground against the Chargers in the playoffs. That was his stamp.

(07-22-2023, 08:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-22-2023, 05:06 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why would i say that? That would be lying, i never assumed to think he’d be a top tier QB. (Which hes gonna need more than 8 good games to be in that category)

It's coming little guy, we all know it.

The only way that's coming is if you pretend I said it like you've done on multiple occasions and quote me falsely. 

(07-22-2023, 03:46 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-22-2023, 05:06 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why would i say that? That would be lying, i never assumed to think he’d be a top tier QB. (Which hes gonna need more than 8 good games to be in that category)

He’s already a top tier QB. Bro he’s already here. He arrived when he spiked the football in the ground against the Chargers in the playoffs. That was his stamp.

He's shown he's capable of it, he's not proven to be a conisistently good QB until he does it for a few seasons in a row, not 8 games. And i'm being generous because he had some stinkers at the end of the season, they just weren't 5 fumbles and a few interceptions stinkers like earlier on.

(07-22-2023, 03:46 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-22-2023, 05:06 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why would i say that? That would be lying, i never assumed to think he’d be a top tier QB. (Which hes gonna need more than 8 good games to be in that category)

He’s already a top tier QB. Bro he’s already here. He arrived when he spiked the football in the ground against the Chargers in the playoffs. That was his stamp.

He’s demonstrated that he’s got the “it” factor, whatever that is. When the game’s on the line you have confidence he’ll come through. I’m sure his teammates feel that way too.

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(07-23-2023, 05:58 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-22-2023, 08:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's coming little guy, we all know it.

The only way that's coming is if you pretend I said it like you've done on multiple occasions and quote me falsely. 

(07-22-2023, 03:46 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]He’s already a top tier QB. Bro he’s already here. He arrived when he spiked the football in the ground against the Chargers in the playoffs. That was his stamp.

He's shown he's capable of it, he's not proven to be a conisistently good QB until he does it for a few seasons in a row, not 8 games. And i'm being generous because he had some stinkers at the end of the season, they just weren't 5 fumbles and a few interceptions stinkers like earlier on.

You’re technically right but I think in the category of “you know it when you see it”, Trevor has elite talent.

(07-23-2023, 05:58 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-22-2023, 08:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's coming little guy, we all know it.

The only way that's coming is if you pretend I said it like you've done on multiple occasions and quote me falsely. 

(07-22-2023, 03:46 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]He’s already a top tier QB. Bro he’s already here. He arrived when he spiked the football in the ground against the Chargers in the playoffs. That was his stamp.

He's shown he's capable of it, he's not proven to be a conisistently good QB until he does it for a few seasons in a row, not 8 games. And i'm being generous because he had some stinkers at the end of the season, they just weren't 5 fumbles and a few interceptions stinkers like earlier on.

Who do you believe the current "top tier QBs" are? It would be good if we could get a common definition of what we're talking about.

(07-23-2023, 07:52 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-22-2023, 03:46 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]He’s already a top tier QB. Bro he’s already here. He arrived when he spiked the football in the ground against the Chargers in the playoffs. That was his stamp.

He’s demonstrated that he’s got the “it” factor, whatever that is. When the game’s on the line you have confidence he’ll come through. I’m sure his teammates feel that way too.

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(07-23-2023, 05:58 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]The only way that's coming is if you pretend I said it like you've done on multiple occasions and quote me falsely. 


He's shown he's capable of it, he's not proven to be a conisistently good QB until he does it for a few seasons in a row, not 8 games. And i'm being generous because he had some stinkers at the end of the season, they just weren't 5 fumbles and a few interceptions stinkers like earlier on.

You’re technically right but I think in the category of “you know it when you see it”, Trevor has elite talent.

He didn't see that from Trevor like the other 95% of the world.  Ray Charles could see the elite QB prospect that Trevor was

It’s all in the tag line folks. 

If he couldn’t see he ‘has what it takes’ long before week nine of last year he’ll never see it an he’ll cling to that hope so he can say he was right.

(07-23-2023, 05:58 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-22-2023, 08:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's coming little guy, we all know it.

The only way that's coming is if you pretend I said it like you've done on multiple occasions and quote me falsely. 

(07-22-2023, 03:46 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]He’s already a top tier QB. Bro he’s already here. He arrived when he spiked the football in the ground against the Chargers in the playoffs. That was his stamp.

He's shown he's capable of it, he's not proven to be a conisistently good QB until he does it for a few seasons in a row, not 8 games. And i'm being generous because he had some stinkers at the end of the season, they just weren't 5 fumbles and a few interceptions stinkers like earlier on.

The stinkers is just part of the game. I watched Rothlisberger throw 5 interceptions against the Jaguars. 

The excitement is the mechanics, the arm strength, the scrambling ability, the footwork. This dude won some big time games last year. Normally we get rocked on the west coast but them days are over. Hell man, this is a playoff team. 

Lawrence is a pro bowl QB. He also received some votes for the MVP last season. 

Let that anxiety go and just enjoy this while you can. And don’t expect 450 yards with 5 TDs and 0 ints every game. 

Here’s a Peyton Manning vs Trevor Lawrence comparison in their 2nd seasons. Lawrence is exactly where Manning was after his 2nd season. You can debate that Lawrence is slightly better statistically. Both QBs made the playoffs in their 2nd season.

Lawrence:
Att - 584
Comp- 387
Comp% - 66.27
Yds - 4113
TD - 25
Int - 8
Rate - 95.2
Rush yds - 291
Rush TD - 5
Total TD - 30
Total yds - 4404
Fumbles - 12
300 yd games - 4
4 TD games - 2 (pass, run)
4 int games - 0
3 int games - 0
2 int games - 2
1 int games - 4
0 int games - 11

Manning:
Att - 533
Comp- 331
Comp% 62.10
Yds - 4135
TD - 26
Int - 15
Rate - 90.7
Rush yds - 73
Rush TD - 2
Total TD - 28
Total yds - 4208
Fumbles - 6
300 yd games - 2
3 TD games - 4
4 TD games - 0
4 int games - 0
3 int games - 0
2 int games - 4
1 int games - 7
0 int games - 5

Manning lost his only game in the 1999 playoffs after having a 1st round bye. He threw 0 TDs in the ‘99 playoffs.

In 1999, Manning also had Hall of Famer Marvin Harrison and Hall of Famer Edgerrin James. Harrison led the NFL in receiving yards in ‘99 with 1663 yards and James led the NFL in rushing in ‘99 with 1553 yards.

In 2022, Lawrence had Christian Kirk who had 1108 yards and Etienne who rushed for 1125 yards.

(07-23-2023, 08:55 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s all in the tag line folks. 

If he couldn’t see he ‘has what it takes’ long before week nine of last year he’ll never see it an he’ll cling to that hope so he can say he was right.

I believe you are partially right there.  What happened is someone followed a clown face over the edge until it became apparent TL did have something.  (week 9)  Most good coaches know players can have all the physical traits and skills in the world. There are many. The difference is when the time comes for that critical play does the athlete just execute or does his butt hole pucker up (technical term)  and not. I call it the pucker factor...lol  I think Giselle Brady said it best to a reporter after a Super Bowl. "Did you expect Tom to catch the ball too?"

Most all of us could see it prior to that and understood football success is dependent upon 53 players and a team of coaches working together as a unit.

(07-23-2023, 11:36 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2023, 08:55 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s all in the tag line folks. 

If he couldn’t see he ‘has what it takes’ long before week nine of last year he’ll never see it an he’ll cling to that hope so he can say he was right.

I believe you are partially right there.  What happened is someone followed a clown face over the edge until it became apparent TL did have something.  (week 9)  Most good coaches know players can have all the physical traits and skills in the world. There are many. The difference is when the time comes for that critical play does the athlete just execute or does his butt hole pucker up (technical term)  and not. I call it the pucker factor...lol  I think Giselle Brady said it best to a reporter after a Super Bowl. "Did you expect Tom to catch the ball too?"

Most all of us could see it prior to that and understood football success is dependent upon 53 players and a team of coaches working together as a unit.

Agreed.  I won’t lie, I was starting to have doubts, especially after that loss to Denver.  That was what was so frustrating during that 5 game losing streak.  You could see the “IT” factor followed by the inexplicable.  But man oh man when it all finally clicked into place what a beautiful experience watching Trevor ball.  Anyone still sitting on the fence or hedging their bets is either stupid, stubborn or a fan of a different team.

(07-23-2023, 11:36 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2023, 08:55 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s all in the tag line folks. 

If he couldn’t see he ‘has what it takes’ long before week nine of last year he’ll never see it an he’ll cling to that hope so he can say he was right.

I believe you are partially right there.  What happened is someone followed a clown face over the edge until it became apparent TL did have something.  (week 9)  Most good coaches know players can have all the physical traits and skills in the world. There are many. The difference is when the time comes for that critical play does the athlete just execute or does his butt hole pucker up (technical term)  and not. I call it the pucker factor...lol  I think Giselle Brady said it best to a reporter after a Super Bowl. "Did you expect Tom to catch the ball too?"

Most all of us could see it prior to that and understood football success is dependent upon 53 players and a team of coaches working together as a unit.

I will disagree.  I think it’s always been evident that he has what it takes.  He has all of the physical tools and the football smarts. And then to subject him to the [BLEEP] show that was Urban Myer, when he would have been a senior in college, was almost unfair.  I give him a ton of credit for weathering that storm.  It’s just a matter of if he could put it together.  Sure he could have fallen flat on his face but we got a glimpse of what he can become as he STARTS to put it all together.  And us you stated, MOST of us could see it…and long before week nine of last year.

Yeah, the hype may have been strong behind the kid coming out, but most af the positive analysis was accurate.

Despite a few inexperienced armchair fanalysts trying to tell this board otherwise, he showed us flashes early on of what he could develop into. (despite being thrown to the wolves by Meyer and co.) Many of us (and most of the football universe) had confidence it would work out this way and he'd acclimate in due time with a legit system to run.

Only took him half a season to find his legs in Pederson's scheme and the sky is the limit now. He'll have some down games, but running around acting like he needs to prove some new degree of consistency in order to be a feared QB in this league is garbage.

He finished top ten in a number of key passing stats last year and he'll finish higher this year.

I agree with NYC.

He has nothing to prove. He’s considered by maaannnyy media outlets talk shows, podcasts, and radio shows as a top tier QB. There are some of those same media guys that are predicting Lawrence to be the MVP of the league this season.

You don’t get MVP votes at the QB position in the NFL unless you’re a top tier QB. Are you kidding man. You have to be elite just to make an NFL roster, but I won’t get into all that right now. In 2022 there were 15 MVP candidates. 9 of those candidates were QBs. Trevor Lawrence was the 5th ranked QB on that list.

Can you show some proof of an entire body of work as to why you don’t believe he’s a top tier QB?

If anyone is wondering, here the leaders in passing yards over the last 2 seasons:

Mahommes - 10,089
Brady - 10,010
Herbert - 9753
Burrow - 9086
Cousins - 8768
Allen - 8690
Carr - 8326
Rodgers - 7810
Lawrence - 7754
Goff - 7683

Here is the 2022 QB rating leaders:

Tagovailoa - 105.5
Mahommes - 105.2
Garroppolo - 103.0
J. Hurts - 101.5
G. Smith - 100.9
Burrow - 100.8
J. Goff - 99.3
J. Allen - 96.6
Lawrence - 95.2

As one of the posters said earlier, 2021 was supposed to Lawrence’s senior year at Clemson, which means if he stayed in college then the 2022 season would have been his rookie year. He would have ran away with the rookie of the year. Urban Meyer in Jacksonville and they win 2 games. Urban Meyer out of Jacksonville and they win 1 playoff game. If your basing anything on the 2021 season I’m sorry but I can’t be apart of that conversation.

I never doubted my boy for even a second and I'll say it again... He's a top 4 QB in this league right now.

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Lawrence

(07-23-2023, 02:16 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-23-2023, 11:36 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I believe you are partially right there.  What happened is someone followed a clown face over the edge until it became apparent TL did have something.  (week 9)  Most good coaches know players can have all the physical traits and skills in the world. There are many. The difference is when the time comes for that critical play does the athlete just execute or does his butt hole pucker up (technical term)  and not. I call it the pucker factor...lol  I think Giselle Brady said it best to a reporter after a Super Bowl. "Did you expect Tom to catch the ball too?"

Most all of us could see it prior to that and understood football success is dependent upon 53 players and a team of coaches working together as a unit.

I will disagree.  I think it’s always been evident that he has what it takes.  He has all of the physical tools and the football smarts. And then to subject him to the [BLEEP] show that was Urban Myer, when he would have been a senior in college, was almost unfair.  I give him a ton of credit for weathering that storm.  It’s just a matter of if he could put it together.  Sure he could have fallen flat on his face but we got a glimpse of what he can become as he STARTS to put it all together.  And us you stated, MOST of us could see it…and long before week nine of last year.

We are in violent agreement there. TL came in and was handed a pile of poo for a coach a team with no direction, and an offense without a plan.  Each week that first year he was faced with new roadblocks. (he actually said that once) Despite that even the first year you could see glimpses, Then last year our owner finally picked the right Leader.  (Petersen over Byron)  With that decision it became apparent what TL can become. I just feel SOME posters mistakenly followed that clown face over the edge. Why who knows.

(07-23-2023, 05:43 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I never doubted my boy for even a second and I'll say it again... He's a top 4 QB in this league right now.

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Lawrence

Is Rodgers 5th?