He had a great jump from year 1 to year 2.
But I think he needs another jump to be considered in the top tier.
His last 6 games weren’t that great.
The Chargers game proved he’s clutch.
And the Dallas game.
The Ravens game was good testament.
(06-01-2023, 07:50 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The Chargers game proved he’s clutch.
And the Dallas game.
The Ravens game was good testament.
I agree. The Ravens game was huuuge. That 2 point conversion was a dime.
(06-01-2023, 07:20 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]He had a great jump from year 1 to year 2.
But I think he needs another jump to be considered in the top tier.
His last 6 games weren’t that great.
They weren't?
Counting playoffs:
11 Total TDs, 7 INTS (not great here but LAC skews this a lot)
1416 Yards (236/game)
65.5% comp
5-1 Record
And was pulled halfway through a game we won 31-3 which we ran all over them so his passing stats were garbage that game aside from 80% comp
(06-02-2023, 07:08 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (06-01-2023, 07:20 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]He had a great jump from year 1 to year 2.
But I think he needs another jump to be considered in the top tier.
His last 6 games weren’t that great.
They weren't?
Counting playoffs:
11 Total TDs, 7 INTS (not great here but LAC skews this a lot)
1416 Yards (236/game)
65.5% comp
5-1 Record
And was pulled halfway through a game we won 31-3 which we ran all over them so his passing stats were garbage that game aside from 80% comp
I'm pumping the brakes just a bit. The record the last half of the season was much better as I more or less predicted going into the year. Getting Doug's system in place and the young guys learning how to win took a few months as expected. However, the play on the field still wasn't as good as it needs to be to live up to some of the hype we're seeing. They still lost to bad teams last year and that's a concern until they show that the end of year streak wasn't a fluke. The tittians game in particular showed a team with grit, but the offense wasn't good and the defense was outright bad against a team they should've blown out. I don't think this team is bad, or even average for that matter, they are going to be good. I just think they still have a ways to go this year to be in the discussion against the Big 3. TLaw's play in those games showed growth but also head room to go up more. If Ridley is what we hope I think this conversation next offseason is legitimately about playing in the Super Bowl and then the Hype Train can leave the station for real.
(06-02-2023, 09:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2023, 07:08 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]They weren't?
Counting playoffs:
11 Total TDs, 7 INTS (not great here but LAC skews this a lot)
1416 Yards (236/game)
65.5% comp
5-1 Record
And was pulled halfway through a game we won 31-3 which we ran all over them so his passing stats were garbage that game aside from 80% comp
I'm pumping the brakes just a bit. The record the last half of the season was much better as I more or less predicted going into the year. Getting Doug's system in place and the young guys learning how to win took a few months as expected. However, the play on the field still wasn't as good as it needs to be to live up to some of the hype we're seeing. They still lost to bad teams last year and that's a concern until they show that the end of year streak wasn't a fluke. The tittians game in particular showed a team with grit, but the offense wasn't good and the defense was outright bad against a team they should've blown out. I don't think this team is bad, or even average for that matter, they are going to be good. I just think they still have a ways to go this year to be in the discussion against the Big 3. TLaw's play in those games showed growth but also head room to go up more. If Ridley is what we hope I think this conversation next offseason is legitimately about playing in the Super Bowl and then the Hype Train can leave the station for real.
I agree with this. Last year was a pleasant surprise after a rough start. Doug kept throwing the term out there year round. "Complimentary Football". I would say after that loss to Denver and that big loss to Detroit the team started to shift towards the right direction. There was a lot of luck here and there but this team made it's own luck at the end of the day. To some an extent, what we saw out of Lawrence was luck being willed through skill and natural talent. There's just things that kid did last year over and over again that we were lucky to see over the years here and there in spurts.
The complimentary aspect was very real last year though. Offense would do it's job, then falter. Defense would do it's job, then it would falter. But, then? In a few big games they matched each other or had each other's backs and it resulted in one hell of a run. Probably my favorite franchise run since 1996. And I think that's where some fans are excited because it seems like we could be headed for that nice little, three to four year stretch of play-off runs or more potentially with Trevor and Doug joined at the hip.
I think they'll manage to win a minimum of 10 games this year. Which is a game better than last year. I also think they'll win the AFC South and it may not come down to a dramatic must win situation like it did last year to seal the deal. It's a start. 2024 and beyond though is where the expectations should potentially be off the charts.
If you are willing to go out on a limb and call the Detroit game an outlier poor performance for the Jaguars in general, then take a look at Lawrence's completion % after the Denver game and into the playoffs.
80%
72%
78%
(Detroit game - 54%)
71%
64%
64%
80%
62%
59%
61%
The LAC and DET games were the only "inefficient" performances and hopefully you all remember how badly our OL did not protect him in the second half of the chefs divisional game.
The kid is well on track.
Does he still mix in some errant throws? Yeah, he does.
Not enough that I'd feel anything less that 100% confidence he's poised to have a very productive 2023 season.
Do not discount year two in this offense. It will mean greater effeciency and consistency.
Trevor and the Jags are well ahead of schedule for me.
To win the division and win a playoff game in year 1 of an entire culture shift? That's amazing.
The 2nd year in Pederson system for Trevor will be so much better than the 2nd half of the season. His command, accuracy and 4th quarter play will all be on display next year.
(06-02-2023, 10:20 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you are willing to go out on a limb and call the Detroit game an outlier poor performance for the Jaguars in general, then take a look at Lawrence's completion % after the Denver game and into the playoffs.
80%
72%
78%
(Detroit game - 54%)
71%
64%
64%
80%
62%
59%
61%
The LAC and DET games were the only "inefficient" performances and hopefully you all remember how badly our OL did not protect him in the second half of the chefs divisional game.
The kid is well on track.
Does he still mix in some errant throws? Yeah, he does.
Not enough that I'd feel anything less that 100% confidence he's poised to have a very productive 2023 season.
Do not discount year two in this offense. It will mean greater effeciency and consistency.
Bingo
(06-02-2023, 10:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2023, 09:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pumping the brakes just a bit. The record the last half of the season was much better as I more or less predicted going into the year. Getting Doug's system in place and the young guys learning how to win took a few months as expected. However, the play on the field still wasn't as good as it needs to be to live up to some of the hype we're seeing. They still lost to bad teams last year and that's a concern until they show that the end of year streak wasn't a fluke. The tittians game in particular showed a team with grit, but the offense wasn't good and the defense was outright bad against a team they should've blown out. I don't think this team is bad, or even average for that matter, they are going to be good. I just think they still have a ways to go this year to be in the discussion against the Big 3. TLaw's play in those games showed growth but also head room to go up more. If Ridley is what we hope I think this conversation next offseason is legitimately about playing in the Super Bowl and then the Hype Train can leave the station for real.
I agree with this. Last year was a pleasant surprise after a rough start. Doug kept throwing the term out there year round. "Complimentary Football". I would say after that loss to Denver and that big loss to Detroit the team started to shift towards the right direction. There was a lot of luck here and there but this team made it's own luck at the end of the day. To some an extent, what we saw out of Lawrence was luck being willed through skill and natural talent. There's just things that kid did last year over and over again that we were lucky to see over the years here and there in spurts.
The complimentary aspect was very real last year though. Offense would do it's job, then falter. Defense would do it's job, then it would falter. But, then? In a few big games they matched each other or had each other's backs and it resulted in one hell of a run. Probably my favorite franchise run since 1996. And I think that's where some fans are excited because it seems like we could be headed for that nice little, three to four year stretch of play-off runs or more potentially with Trevor and Doug joined at the hip.
I think they'll manage to win a minimum of 10 games this year. Which is a game better than last year. I also think they'll win the AFC South and it may not come down to a dramatic must win situation like it did last year to seal the deal. It's a start. 2024 and beyond though is where the expectations should potentially be off the charts.
My only addition to this is for the hype train to be off the charts in '24 we will have to be coming off a post season win against the Bills, Bengals or Chiefs (or one or more of those teams shows significant regression this year). If we are put down early in the post season by one of those teams, what's the difference next year from right now? And if we do expect to beat one or more of those teams in the playoffs this season, just go ahead and get on the hype train now my man.
"The train is leaving the station. Run. Get on it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D53M1vVF2N4
Young teams sometimes step back after their first success. We need to be prepared for that this season so we aren't all leaping of the Modis Building next January. We could have 12 wins in the regular season, an All Pro WR, and our big time coach and still end up with a 1st round loss. It happens, especially early in the process.
(06-02-2023, 11:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Young teams sometimes step back after their first success. We need to be prepared for that this season so we aren't all leaping of the Modis Building next January. We could have 12 wins in the regular season, an All Pro WR, and our big time coach and still end up with a 1st round loss. It happens, especially early in the process.
Copy that. While I expect the Jags to be very competitive with huge opportunity I am expecting us to have to claw and scratch to win the division this year. No I am not a negative Nancy. This is the NFL where the margin of winning and losing is very narrow each week., I am just a realist.
Can we count on Tennessee to lost a bunch of OL guys and their QB or lose 7 in a row to close the season? Heck without an extremely rare defensive play we could have lost that last game against them even with that. They have a good coach so I would not underestimate them.
Can we count on a favorable bounce to create a touchdown ? (Dallas game)
Yea, we have the opportunity, it is going to be great watching if we can do it!!
(06-02-2023, 12:10 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-02-2023, 11:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Young teams sometimes step back after their first success. We need to be prepared for that this season so we aren't all leaping of the Modis Building next January. We could have 12 wins in the regular season, an All Pro WR, and our big time coach and still end up with a 1st round loss. It happens, especially early in the process.
Copy that. While I expect the Jags to be very competitive with huge opportunity I am expecting us to have to claw and scratch to win the division this year. No I am not a negative Nancy. This is the NFL where the margin of winning and losing is very narrow each week., I am just a realist.
Can we count on Tennessee to lost a bunch of OL guys and their QB or lose 7 in a row to close the season? Heck without an extremely rare defensive play we could have lost that last game against them even with that. They have a good coach so I would not underestimate them.
Can we count on a favorable bounce to create a touchdown ? (Dallas game)
Yea, we have the opportunity, it is going to be great watching if we can do it!!
Yeah. Agreed. That's why I am not putting them on a pedestal just yet and giving them just a +1 in the win column from last year. I think 10 wins is the minimum in this division. I think they'll pull it off. I would like to see them clearly separate themselves from teams they should be head and shoulders above talent and roster wise.
I'll still expect a few slug fests though. The Saints, Steelers and Browns can be scrappy. I know some people were thinking 12 wins when they saw the schedule but I let it breath a bit. Just because those three teams don't have Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Jackson, or, a Superbowl caliber defense like the 49ers? Those three teams could easily be in the play off mix come late December all fighting for a spot.
So, it's not going to be easy. It is the NFL. Like you said. I still expect the offense to be better than last year and getting off to faster starts with limited errors. Especially in the redzone. That was THE biggest pisser for me last year as a fan. At one point Lawrence had me on the ropes and barely hanging on as a hopeful for him with the killer endzone INTs. Etienne fumbling a few there didnt help. Nor did some of the misfires and drops.
That should be rare in 2023. Not nearly as common as it was in 2022 going into year two of the same offense with really just two new faces on offense in Harrison at OT and Ridley at WR. Which, really? Should be upgrades. Will be interested in Strange and Bigsby early and often as well.
The defense is still "meh" for me. Caldwell needs to show a more commanding presence and understanding of his personnel on that side. Its his 2nd year as a DC. These year two guys need to show up majorly for it to be succesful in 2023. They get some help with three rookies to play at some point this year divisionally.
We'll see though. 10 is the target for me. Just give me 10. I think its enough.
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It was right about that point that CJB knew he'd dun [BLEEP] up and started his back peddling.
(06-07-2023, 10:26 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It was right about that point that CJB knew he'd dun [BLEEP] up and started his back peddling.
It was right about week 9 of his second season when Trevor Lawrence started playing consistently good football. There was nothing to back pedal on.