(07-31-2023, 12:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 12:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile my prediction thread I made yesterday says I think he will throw for 38 TDs.
Unfortunately, what I think dosen't matter unless it happens. If he does that, he earns the contract. Anyone who thinks he deserves that contract as of TODAY would be making a huge gamble on the unknown.
As much as I criticized him coming out of the draft, even I didn't expect 12 tds 17 ints his rookie season.
But this comment proves you just talk out of your [BLEEP] and cherry pick what quotes you decide to use in your arguments tho, good job.
The only reason I would give him Herbert money today (which again, the Jags can’t and it’s hypothetical) is because that contract will be cheaper than the one Trevor signs next season.
The odds that Trevor won’t be as good as all of us believe are extremely low. It’s not like the Jags are gambling on someone who hasn’t shown he can be the guy. Trevor has shown it and he’s just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential. And if the Jags gave him Herbert money today, it’ll look like a bargain in 3 years when QB contracts are even more insane.
And the reason I wouldn't is because we've seen half a season give or take of him being worthy of that contract, and I'm not a gambling man. The potential to save 2-3M/year dosen't outweight the devistating effects of giving a guy hundreds of millions of dollars in gurantees if he suddenly turned out to not be all that.
It's not a slight to Trevor to be cautious when dealing with the franchises future, it's just common business sense. And it should be even more obvious to Jaguar fans considering we paid Foles 84M to play 4 games, and extended Blake Bortles only for him to find himself on the bench the second half of that year.
And both of them got pennies compared to what we're talking about, our team would be in shambles for many years to come if he got that contract and then faultered.
I think he will be fine, but at this point in time (even tho it's not possible) it would be extremely rash to make him the highest paid QB in the league.
(07-31-2023, 12:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 11:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You may literally be the one person on the entire [BLEEP] planet doubting he'll throw for 4000 and 30 TDs this year.
Please stop.
We get it.
Meanwhile my prediction thread I made yesterday says I think he will throw for 38 TDs.
Unfortunately, what I think dosen't matter unless it happens. If he does that, he earns the contract. Anyone who thinks he deserves that contract as of TODAY would be making a huge gamble on the unknown.
As much as I criticized him coming out of the draft, even I didn't expect 12 tds 17 ints his rookie season.
But this comment proves you just talk out of your [BLEEP] and cherry pick what quotes you decide to use in your arguments tho, good job.
Oh, look, you contradicted yourself again.
You predicted he'd throw for those numbers in that other thread but called paying him now a HUGE gamble.
LOL - Which is it? Which do you really believe? Is he going to throw your predicted numbers, or would it be HUGE gamble to believe your own prediction?
BTW - how the hell did this get turned into "paying him now??"
So stupid. No one ever suggested it and they can't do it if they wanted to.
(07-31-2023, 12:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 12:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The only reason I would give him Herbert money today (which again, the Jags can’t and it’s hypothetical) is because that contract will be cheaper than the one Trevor signs next season.
The odds that Trevor won’t be as good as all of us believe are extremely low. It’s not like the Jags are gambling on someone who hasn’t shown he can be the guy. Trevor has shown it and he’s just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential. And if the Jags gave him Herbert money today, it’ll look like a bargain in 3 years when QB contracts are even more insane.
And the reason I wouldn't is because we've seen half a season give or take of him being worthy of that contract, and I'm not a gambling man. The potential to save 2-3M/year dosen't outweight the devistating effects of giving a guy hundreds of millions of dollars in gurantees if he suddenly turned out to not be all that.
It's not a slight to Trevor to be cautious when dealing with the franchises future, it's just common business sense. And it should be even more obvious to Jaguar fans considering we paid Foles 84M to play 4 games, and extended Blake Bortles only for him to find himself on the bench the second half of that year.
And both of them got pennies compared to what we're talking about, our team would be in shambles for many years to come if he got that contract and then faultered.
I think he will be fine, but at this point in time (even tho it's not possible) it would be extremely rash to make him the highest paid QB in the league.
Extending Foles and Bortles was always a bad move. Never made sense.
And if you can’t see how Trevor is vastly different than those two, then this conversation is likely over.
Trevor is going to be the QB of this team for 10+ years. I don’t see a single scenario where he doesn’t improve which will lead to the richest contract in NFL history.
Again, comparing him to Bortles. Flat out [BLEEP] stupid.
(07-31-2023, 01:44 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 12:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]And the reason I wouldn't is because we've seen half a season give or take of him being worthy of that contract, and I'm not a gambling man. The potential to save 2-3M/year dosen't outweight the devistating effects of giving a guy hundreds of millions of dollars in gurantees if he suddenly turned out to not be all that.
It's not a slight to Trevor to be cautious when dealing with the franchises future, it's just common business sense. And it should be even more obvious to Jaguar fans considering we paid Foles 84M to play 4 games, and extended Blake Bortles only for him to find himself on the bench the second half of that year.
And both of them got pennies compared to what we're talking about, our team would be in shambles for many years to come if he got that contract and then faultered.
I think he will be fine, but at this point in time (even tho it's not possible) it would be extremely rash to make him the highest paid QB in the league.
Extending Foles and Bortles was always a bad move. Never made sense.
And if you can’t see how Trevor is vastly different than those two, then this conversation is likely over.
Trevor is going to be the QB of this team for 10+ years. I don’t see a single scenario where he doesn’t improve which will lead to the richest contract in NFL history.
Saying he will be the franchise QB for another decade is different from deciding what his actual value is though.
If the team is smart they will lock him in as soon as possible. I think that if he's not signed in 365 days from now then there's trouble brewing regardless of what's being said publicly.
The reasons for a new contract as soon as possible are at least two:
1. The cap goes up so even if he's the hightest paid player next year that will change.
2. Signing him to an extension shows a mutual interest in having Trevor in jacksonville.
(07-31-2023, 12:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 12:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile my prediction thread I made yesterday says I think he will throw for 38 TDs.
Unfortunately, what I think dosen't matter unless it happens. If he does that, he earns the contract. Anyone who thinks he deserves that contract as of TODAY would be making a huge gamble on the unknown.
As much as I criticized him coming out of the draft, even I didn't expect 12 tds 17 ints his rookie season.
But this comment proves you just talk out of your [BLEEP] and cherry pick what quotes you decide to use in your arguments tho, good job.
Oh, look, you contradicted yourself again.
You predicted he'd throw for those numbers in that other thread but called paying him now a HUGE gamble.
LOL - Which is it? Which do you really believe? Is he going to throw your predicted numbers, or would it be HUGE gamble to believe your own prediction?
BTW - how the hell did this get turned into "paying him now??"
So stupid. No one ever suggested it and they can't do it if they wanted to.
Because I predict he takes a step forward does not gurantee he will do so. How hard is that for your peanut brain to understand?
This entire conversation started from somebody saying they are sold now and would give him Herbert money today, but as we've seen you clearly don't read the thread before spewing your ignorant opinions.
(07-31-2023, 02:19 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Again, comparing him to Bortles. Flat out [BLEEP] stupid.
Again, not comparing him to Bortles but rather making a point on why you don't throw money at somebody because they played well for half a season. Bortles also didn't get paid like a top tier QB, but the point stands. You pay guys the big bucks once they've earned it. Trevor will have that chance to earn it this season and he very well may do that.
This entire conversation was based on somebody else saying they'd give him Herberts contract TODAY (Hypothetical or not) that would be a stupid move.
(07-31-2023, 03:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 12:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, look, you contradicted yourself again.
You predicted he'd throw for those numbers in that other thread but called paying him now a HUGE gamble.
LOL - Which is it? Which do you really believe? Is he going to throw your predicted numbers, or would it be HUGE gamble to believe your own prediction?
BTW - how the hell did this get turned into "paying him now??"
So stupid. No one ever suggested it and they can't do it if they wanted to.
Because I predict he takes a step forward does not gurantee he will do so. How hard is that for your peanut brain to understand?
This entire conversation started from somebody saying they are sold now and would give him Herbert money today, but as we've seen you clearly don't read the thread before spewing your ignorant opinions.
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LOL - not enough conviction in your prediction to back it up? Or just need to leave the window open to hate on the kid? Is your [BLEEP] sore from straddling that fence so hard?
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The new deal talk started pages before that when JF24 and others referenced Herbert's new deal - and Eric made it clear he knew that TL can't be signed until next offseason when he posted what u are referencing. This whole "right now" aspect of the argument you decided to plant a flag on is stupid as [BLEEP]
Here's the good news for Jags fans that don't want to get caught up in this weird obsession with the disparagement of Trevor Lawrence :
- We don't need to worry about gambling on this contract
- He'll get an offer that reflects his performance this season as was ALWAYS the case
- We have an insanely gifted QB on pace to have an outstanding year
- Zero reasons to doubt Trevor Lawrence right now
- He wants to be a Jag for his entire career
- He has hinted that he will be team friendly in contract structure
- He doesn't "need" huge money up front if they don't have it carved out that way because he was a #1 pick and got a nice chunk straightaway
- He has great coaches and a bevy of talented targets to throw to
Literally EVERYTHING has fallen into place to make the QB situation in Duval County a wonderful thing for many years to come.
There is literally nothing to gripe about in this situation.
Questions about the OL and potential injury should be the only fears and concerns surrounding Trevor Lawrence.
(07-31-2023, 03:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 12:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, look, you contradicted yourself again.
You predicted he'd throw for those numbers in that other thread but called paying him now a HUGE gamble.
LOL - Which is it? Which do you really believe? Is he going to throw your predicted numbers, or would it be HUGE gamble to believe your own prediction?
BTW - how the hell did this get turned into "paying him now??"
So stupid. No one ever suggested it and they can't do it if they wanted to.
Because I predict he takes a step forward does not gurantee he will do so. How hard is that for your peanut brain to understand?
This entire conversation started from somebody saying they are sold now and would give him Herbert money today, but as we've seen you clearly don't read the thread before spewing your ignorant opinions.
(07-31-2023, 02:19 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Again, comparing him to Bortles. Flat out [BLEEP] stupid.
Again, not comparing him to Bortles but rather making a point on why you don't throw money at somebody because they played well for half a season. Bortles also didn't get paid like a top tier QB, but the point stands. You pay guys the big bucks once they've earned it. Trevor will have that chance to earn it this season and he very well may do that.
This entire conversation was based on somebody else saying they'd give him Herberts contract TODAY (Hypothetical or not) that would be a stupid move.
LOL. You absolutely are comparing him to Bortles but are too stupid or stubborn to admit it. But the way you continually change your tune that's no big shocker.
Not sure why y’all continue to indulge this.
CJB’s posts are the literal definition of “heads I win, tails you lose”. He’s riding the fence so hard he’s gonna need jock itch cream
(07-31-2023, 11:31 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 12:00 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The only joke here is you kid, but I guess Herbert and Burrow had to deal with the same situation Lawrence did his rookie year huh? Certainly the coaching and weapons played no roles in their situations huh? Who needs Higgins/Boyd (then Chase) and Williams/Allen when you have Treadwell and Tavon Austin as your WRs. Don't even need to go into the coaching staffs do we?
You're wrong and will always be wrong. You'll likely disappear during this coming season just like JaguarLVP did last season when Lawrence continues to cement himself as a top QB in this league.
Sorry that all you can see are half told numbers and don't actually know what you're looking at when watching the gameplay and situations. That's a you problem.
But you're still missing the entire point on the conversation.
Let's not forget the real comparision here, Josh Allen. He got paid after year 3, he was bad first year, OK his second year and then blossomed in his 3rd year (with the addition of Diggs)
This is LIKELY the path Trevor takes with the addition of Ridley.
In the scenario that he becomes that kind of QB through year 3, we can rest easy when he gets his big contract.
My argument is with those who are on this thread saying they'd feel comfortable giving him a Herbert contract RIGHT NOW (i'm not stupid, I know we can't technically give him one right now) but that dosen't detract from the argument.
However, if he comes out this season with 2 years under his belt and his stats line up with the stats he had last year then no, he does not deserve to be the highest paid player in NFL history.
Does that make more sense?
I'd give him the Herbert deal today because I'm fully confident that he's going to continue his upwards trend and cement himself as a top QB in the league this year. Just like I was fully confident he was going to be just fine after the mess he had to deal with his rookie season.
(07-31-2023, 08:28 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 11:31 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]But you're still missing the entire point on the conversation.
Let's not forget the real comparision here, Josh Allen. He got paid after year 3, he was bad first year, OK his second year and then blossomed in his 3rd year (with the addition of Diggs)
This is LIKELY the path Trevor takes with the addition of Ridley.
In the scenario that he becomes that kind of QB through year 3, we can rest easy when he gets his big contract.
My argument is with those who are on this thread saying they'd feel comfortable giving him a Herbert contract RIGHT NOW (i'm not stupid, I know we can't technically give him one right now) but that dosen't detract from the argument.
However, if he comes out this season with 2 years under his belt and his stats line up with the stats he had last year then no, he does not deserve to be the highest paid player in NFL history.
Does that make more sense?
I'd give him the Herbert deal today because I'm fully confident that he's going to continue his upwards trend and cement himself as a top QB in the league this year. Just like I was fully confident he was going to be just fine after the mess he had to deal with his rookie season.
That's great and all, but it's a gamble regardless. If (and im not saying he will) IF he turns out to just be an average QB, giving him that immense amount of money would hamper this franchise for years.
Remember when we all thought Nick foles getting 4yr/84m was insane? Herberts getting 4 years 262.5M. That's a big big investment and only a fool would throw that at someone who hasn't proven themselves yet.
(07-31-2023, 04:46 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 03:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Because I predict he takes a step forward does not gurantee he will do so. How hard is that for your peanut brain to understand?
This entire conversation started from somebody saying they are sold now and would give him Herbert money today, but as we've seen you clearly don't read the thread before spewing your ignorant opinions.
Again, not comparing him to Bortles but rather making a point on why you don't throw money at somebody because they played well for half a season. Bortles also didn't get paid like a top tier QB, but the point stands. You pay guys the big bucks once they've earned it. Trevor will have that chance to earn it this season and he very well may do that.
This entire conversation was based on somebody else saying they'd give him Herberts contract TODAY (Hypothetical or not) that would be a stupid move.
LOL. You absolutely are comparing him to Bortles but are too stupid or stubborn to admit it. But the way you continually change your tune that's no big shocker.
Are you actually this daft? I'm comparing situations, not the players. You don't give a record breaking contract to someone who has only been good for half a season. Same way we shouldn't have given Blake a lucrative extension based on him having a nice 4 game stretch towards the end of '17.
(07-31-2023, 09:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 08:28 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd give him the Herbert deal today because I'm fully confident that he's going to continue his upwards trend and cement himself as a top QB in the league this year. Just like I was fully confident he was going to be just fine after the mess he had to deal with his rookie season.
That's great and all, but it's a gamble regardless. If (and im not saying he will) IF he turns out to just be an average QB, giving him that immense amount of money would hamper this franchise for years.
Remember when we all thought Nick foles getting 4yr/84m was insane? Herberts getting 4 years 262.5M. That's a big big investment and only a fool would throw that at someone who hasn't proven themselves yet.
As confident as I am in Lawrence, I was equally as confident in not wanting anything to do with Foles that off season. I knew he was trash and voiced it plenty of times way before and after the signing. I said it would be a terrible decision from the jump and it played out exactly as that.
And I don't know why you keep bringing up Foles and Bortles when talking about Lawrence. Neither of them could even come close to holding Lawrence's jock strap. It's plain as day. They only thing they have in common as far as QB play goes, is that they all played QB and they all were on the Jags. That's it. As far as skill, arm talent, ability etc etc etc goes, Lawrence is in another dimension.
(07-31-2023, 10:18 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 09:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]That's great and all, but it's a gamble regardless. If (and im not saying he will) IF he turns out to just be an average QB, giving him that immense amount of money would hamper this franchise for years.
Remember when we all thought Nick foles getting 4yr/84m was insane? Herberts getting 4 years 262.5M. That's a big big investment and only a fool would throw that at someone who hasn't proven themselves yet.
As confident as I am in Lawrence, I was equally as confident in not wanting anything to do with Foles that off season. I knew he was trash and voiced it plenty of times way before and after the signing. I said it would be a terrible decision from the jump and it played out exactly as that.
And I don't know why you keep bringing up Foles and Bortles when talking about Lawrence. Neither of them could even come close to holding Lawrence's jock strap. It's plain as day. They only thing they have in common as far as QB play goes, is that they all played QB and they all were on the Jags. That's it. As far as skill, arm talent, ability etc etc etc goes, Lawrence is in another dimension.
Because i'm using Jaguar related situations to explain why jumping the gun on spending money based on short-term success is not a good idea.
Foles was terrible prior to becoming a jaguar, outside of a short run to the SB with Doug and crew.
Bortles was terrible prior to having a nice little stint at the end of the 2017 season acompanied by an insane defense.
Lawrence was terrible his entire rookie season, and was pretty bad the first half of the 2022 season before finally coming into his own during the Raiders game and so on.
I'm with you, I doubt Lawrence will ever be as bad as Bortles or Foles.. but at the same time Foles/Bortles weren't in contention to get a contract that if things didn't work out, we'd be in cap hell for the next 4 years.
Kyler Murray and the Cardinals are a prime example, he played OK football and got paid as soon as he could, he's currently making 46m/year (which is 8M less than Herbert/year) and not only has he slowly gotten worse, the team is now getting rid of key players just because they cannot afford them anymore.
In conclusion because frankly i'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. If Trevor has a consistently good season this year, i'll be far more comfortable giving him said contract. But to guys like yourself saying you'd pay him now, I respectfully disagree it would be a really stupid move.
ALSO another point that hasn't been addressed is the fact that we all talk about taking advantage of the rookie QB contract window to try and win a championship, what good would that do us if we pay him as soon as possible? So much hypocrisy on this board it baffles my mind.
(07-31-2023, 10:44 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 10:18 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]As confident as I am in Lawrence, I was equally as confident in not wanting anything to do with Foles that off season. I knew he was trash and voiced it plenty of times way before and after the signing. I said it would be a terrible decision from the jump and it played out exactly as that.
And I don't know why you keep bringing up Foles and Bortles when talking about Lawrence. Neither of them could even come close to holding Lawrence's jock strap. It's plain as day. They only thing they have in common as far as QB play goes, is that they all played QB and they all were on the Jags. That's it. As far as skill, arm talent, ability etc etc etc goes, Lawrence is in another dimension.
Because i'm using Jaguar related situations to explain why jumping the gun on spending money based on short-term success is not a good idea.
Foles was terrible prior to becoming a jaguar, outside of a short run to the SB with Doug and crew.
Bortles was terrible prior to having a nice little stint at the end of the 2017 season acompanied by an insane defense.
Lawrence was terrible his entire rookie season, and was pretty bad the first half of the 2022 season before finally coming into his own during the Raiders game and so on.
I'm with you, I doubt Lawrence will ever be as bad as Bortles or Foles.. but at the same time Foles/Bortles weren't in contention to get a contract that if things didn't work out, we'd be in cap hell for the next 4 years.
Kyler Murray and the Cardinals are a prime example, he played OK football and got paid as soon as he could, he's currently making 46m/year (which is 8M less than Herbert/year) and not only has he slowly gotten worse, the team is now getting rid of key players just because they cannot afford them anymore.
In conclusion because frankly i'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. If Trevor has a consistently good season this year, i'll be far more comfortable giving him said contract. But to guys like yourself saying you'd pay him now, I respectfully disagree it would be a really stupid move.
ALSO another point that hasn't been addressed is the fact that we all talk about taking advantage of the rookie QB contract window to try and win a championship, what good would that do us if we pay him as soon as possible? So much hypocrisy on this board it baffles my mind.
Dude, I was at Lawrence's first game in Houston. I watched him make throws that I have never seen a Jags QB make, period. And I watched the team play like guys who have no idea what the plan is because Urban was starting his campaign of running it into the ground as he threw Trev to the wolves and made him sling it over 50 times in his first NFL game.
Trevor got worse as the season went on because he was dealing with a [BLEEP] show. He developed bad habits because he was trying to drag the franchise out of the crapper as much as he could. And then he was being coached out of those habits in the first part of last season and he grew.
I was ready to say he would never live up to the hype after the London game. He proved me wrong for the rest of the year. He was not horrible as a rookie; he was a young guy in the most dysfunctional situation he'd ever experienced since pop Warner.
Just accept that you are wrong and move on man. It's okay.
(07-31-2023, 10:55 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 10:44 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Because i'm using Jaguar related situations to explain why jumping the gun on spending money based on short-term success is not a good idea.
Foles was terrible prior to becoming a jaguar, outside of a short run to the SB with Doug and crew.
Bortles was terrible prior to having a nice little stint at the end of the 2017 season acompanied by an insane defense.
Lawrence was terrible his entire rookie season, and was pretty bad the first half of the 2022 season before finally coming into his own during the Raiders game and so on.
I'm with you, I doubt Lawrence will ever be as bad as Bortles or Foles.. but at the same time Foles/Bortles weren't in contention to get a contract that if things didn't work out, we'd be in cap hell for the next 4 years.
Kyler Murray and the Cardinals are a prime example, he played OK football and got paid as soon as he could, he's currently making 46m/year (which is 8M less than Herbert/year) and not only has he slowly gotten worse, the team is now getting rid of key players just because they cannot afford them anymore.
In conclusion because frankly i'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. If Trevor has a consistently good season this year, i'll be far more comfortable giving him said contract. But to guys like yourself saying you'd pay him now, I respectfully disagree it would be a really stupid move.
ALSO another point that hasn't been addressed is the fact that we all talk about taking advantage of the rookie QB contract window to try and win a championship, what good would that do us if we pay him as soon as possible? So much hypocrisy on this board it baffles my mind.
Dude, I was at Lawrence's first game in Houston. I watched him make throws that I have never seen a Jags QB make, period. And I watched the team play like guys who have no idea what the plan is because Urban was starting his campaign of running it into the ground as he threw Trev to the wolves and made him sling it over 50 times in his first NFL game.
Trevor got worse as the season went on because he was dealing with a [BLEEP] show. He developed bad habits because he was trying to drag the franchise out of the crapper as much as he could. And then he was being coached out of those habits in the first part of last season and he grew.
I was ready to say he would never live up to the hype after the London game. He proved me wrong for the rest of the year. He was not horrible as a rookie; he was a young guy in the most dysfunctional situation he'd ever experienced since pop Warner.
Just accept that you are wrong and move on man. It's okay.
He didn't develop bad habbits, outside of the coaching mess and the lack of talent at WR his "bad habbits" were things I pointed out BEFORE he was a jaguar, things he did at Clemson.. again, not going to keep making the same list of [BLEEP] i've done for 3 years now but one example was that he overshot wide open WRs with no pressure applied. This is something he did throughout his days at Clemson, and even in his last game as a jaguar against the Chargers.
I'm not going to accept i'm wrong when the only people that disagree with me are the 6 active posters on this dead forum, this is the only place people disagree with me because it's just a small group of biased fans.. I don't even think most of you even know what you're arguing over, you just bootlick the two mods like it's gonna score you brownie points or something.
(07-31-2023, 07:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1686...70497?s=20
I think the season sets up well for him. He has the tools and the skill players to complement his ability. He’ll be going up against the usual small market bias but at least we’ll get some exposure on national games this year. Would love to see it happen.
(07-31-2023, 09:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 08:28 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd give him the Herbert deal today because I'm fully confident that he's going to continue his upwards trend and cement himself as a top QB in the league this year. Just like I was fully confident he was going to be just fine after the mess he had to deal with his rookie season.
That's great and all, but it's a gamble regardless. If (and im not saying he will) IF he turns out to just be an average QB, giving him that immense amount of money would hamper this franchise for years.
Remember when we all thought Nick foles getting 4yr/84m was insane? Herberts getting 4 years 262.5M. That's a big big investment and only a fool would throw that at someone who hasn't proven themselves yet.
(07-31-2023, 04:46 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]LOL. You absolutely are comparing him to Bortles but are too stupid or stubborn to admit it. But the way you continually change your tune that's no big shocker.
Are you actually this daft? I'm comparing situations, not the players. You don't give a record breaking contract to someone who has only been good for half a season. Same way we shouldn't have given Blake a lucrative extension based on him having a nice 4 game stretch towards the end of '17.
That’s the exact point you nitwit. Two completely different situations. But I guess it’s difficult seeing through all of that bull [BLEEP] you’re spewing.
(07-31-2023, 11:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 10:55 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, I was at Lawrence's first game in Houston. I watched him make throws that I have never seen a Jags QB make, period. And I watched the team play like guys who have no idea what the plan is because Urban was starting his campaign of running it into the ground as he threw Trev to the wolves and made him sling it over 50 times in his first NFL game.
Trevor got worse as the season went on because he was dealing with a [BLEEP] show. He developed bad habits because he was trying to drag the franchise out of the crapper as much as he could. And then he was being coached out of those habits in the first part of last season and he grew.
I was ready to say he would never live up to the hype after the London game. He proved me wrong for the rest of the year. He was not horrible as a rookie; he was a young guy in the most dysfunctional situation he'd ever experienced since pop Warner.
Just accept that you are wrong and move on man. It's okay.
He didn't develop bad habbits, outside of the coaching mess and the lack of talent at WR his "bad habbits" were things I pointed out BEFORE he was a jaguar, things he did at Clemson.. again, not going to keep making the same list of [BLEEP] i've done for 3 years now but one example was that he overshot wide open WRs with no pressure applied. This is something he did throughout his days at Clemson, and even in his last game as a jaguar against the Chargers.
I'm not going to accept i'm wrong when the only people that disagree with me are the 6 active posters on this dead forum, this is the only place people disagree with me because it's just a small group of biased fans.. I don't even think most of you even know what you're arguing over, you just bootlick the two mods like it's gonna score you brownie points or something.
“and even in his last game as a jaguar against the Chargers.”
His last game with the Jaguars was against the Chiefs.
As far as this board goes, I’ll protect it to the fullest. You wasn’t around when we almost lost it and the guys that are the mods made it possible to keep the board alive. I will ask you to stop saying the board is dead. This board is alive and well. Many board members have been posting for almost 20 years. Have some respect.
Also I’ll ask again, why do you say Lawrence played good for half a season? What about when the Jaguars were 2-1 to start the year?
(08-01-2023, 07:43 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2023, 11:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]He didn't develop bad habbits, outside of the coaching mess and the lack of talent at WR his "bad habbits" were things I pointed out BEFORE he was a jaguar, things he did at Clemson.. again, not going to keep making the same list of [BLEEP] i've done for 3 years now but one example was that he overshot wide open WRs with no pressure applied. This is something he did throughout his days at Clemson, and even in his last game as a jaguar against the Chargers.
I'm not going to accept i'm wrong when the only people that disagree with me are the 6 active posters on this dead forum, this is the only place people disagree with me because it's just a small group of biased fans.. I don't even think most of you even know what you're arguing over, you just bootlick the two mods like it's gonna score you brownie points or something.
“and even in his last game as a jaguar against the Chargers.”
His last game with the Jaguars was against the Chiefs.
As far as this board goes, I’ll protect it to the fullest. You wasn’t around when we almost lost it and the guys that are the mods made it possible to keep the board alive. I will ask you to stop saying the board is dead. This board is alive and well. Many board members have been posting for almost 20 years. Have some respect.
Also I’ll ask again, why do you say Lawrence played good for half a season? What about when the Jaguars were 2-1 to start the year?
Agreed. I follow the Jags subreddit and I’d say there’s more activity here by and large.