(01-14-2024, 11:20 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 11:08 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Yea we all know passing yards is the indicator.. let's not take into account that 16 starting QBs in the NFL missed games this year, that clearly didn't help him climb that leaderboard at alll.
Trevor is ninth in yards per game.
He's 21st in quarterback rating and 15th in touchdowns.
This is according to Pro Football Reference.
Makes sense too me. Dude got 25 extra possesions off turnovers and is still a middling QB at best. Yards mean jack [BLEEP] when you can't put the ball in the endzone.
The dolphins wished they had TLaw last night
(01-14-2024, 01:30 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]The dolphins wished they had TLaw last night
I’m not so sure about that
(01-14-2024, 12:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 11:20 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is ninth in yards per game.
He's 21st in quarterback rating and 15th in touchdowns.
This is according to Pro Football Reference.
Makes sense too me. Dude got 25 extra possesions off turnovers and is still a middling QB at best. Yards mean jack [BLEEP] when you can't put the ball in the endzone.
You reckon ending the season with the worst run blocking line in the league affects your red-zone efficiency, or nah?
This offense was handcuffed to hell and back by the line's ineptitude.
You can find a dozen or so really crappy mistakes by TL this year that hurt the offense badly. You can find 20 more from skill players and the communication issues among them.
But you can look at 30 snaps in damn near every single game where three-fifths of that line totally dumped a hot steaming loaf on the football field. They sucked in both run and pass phases.
Calling turnovers "extra possessions" is also the most disingenuous, spin-tastic horse [BLEEP] I've seen today.
BTW the league average INT by team was 14 and the Jags D had 16.
Fumbles recovered avg was 10 and Jags had 11.
We ended up very average in both takeaway categories.
(01-14-2024, 03:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 12:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Makes sense too me. Dude got 25 extra possesions off turnovers and is still a middling QB at best. Yards mean jack [BLEEP] when you can't put the ball in the endzone.
You reckon ending the season with the worst run blocking line in the league affects your red-zone efficiency, or nah?
This offense was handcuffed to hell and back by the line's ineptitude.
You can find a dozen or so really crappy mistakes by TL this year that hurt the offense badly. You can find 20 more from skill players and the communication issues among them.
But you can look at 30 snaps in damn near every single game where three-fifths of that line totally dumped a hot steaming loaf on the football field. They sucked in both run and pass phases.
Calling turnovers "extra possessions" is also the most disingenuous, spin-tastic horse [BLEEP] I've seen today.
BTW the league average INT by team was 14 and the Jags D had 16.
Fumbles recovered avg was 10 and Jags had 11.
We ended up very average in both takeaway categories.
Normally the opposing defense tries to take away the run to make a team one dimensional. Our offensive line did that for them this year.
(01-14-2024, 03:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 12:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Makes sense too me. Dude got 25 extra possesions off turnovers and is still a middling QB at best. Yards mean jack [BLEEP] when you can't put the ball in the endzone.
You reckon ending the season with the worst run blocking line in the league affects your red-zone efficiency, or nah?
This offense was handcuffed to hell and back by the line's ineptitude.
You can find a dozen or so really crappy mistakes by TL this year that hurt the offense badly. You can find 20 more from skill players and the communication issues among them.
But you can look at 30 snaps in damn near every single game where three-fifths of that line totally dumped a hot steaming loaf on the football field. They sucked in both run and pass phases.
Calling turnovers "extra possessions" is also the most disingenuous, spin-tastic horse [BLEEP] I've seen today.
BTW the league average INT by team was 14 and the Jags D had 16.
Fumbles recovered avg was 10 and Jags had 11.
We ended up very average in both takeaway categories.
Sure, it dosen't help.
But at the same time, when we had ETN averaging 5 YPC for the majority of the season prior he still wasn't sniffing 30 tds, and for half of the season was awful.
NYC do me a favor sir. If our O line and run game are significantly improved this upcoming season, and Trevor still provides us with 20-25 tds/10-20 turnovers.. just promise me you wont blame anyone but the man causing the problem this time.. you can't scapegoat Doug or the WRs.. just the guy making the mistakes.
Can you do that?
(01-14-2024, 04:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 03:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You reckon ending the season with the worst run blocking line in the league affects your red-zone efficiency, or nah?
This offense was handcuffed to hell and back by the line's ineptitude.
You can find a dozen or so really crappy mistakes by TL this year that hurt the offense badly. You can find 20 more from skill players and the communication issues among them.
But you can look at 30 snaps in damn near every single game where three-fifths of that line totally dumped a hot steaming loaf on the football field. They sucked in both run and pass phases.
Calling turnovers "extra possessions" is also the most disingenuous, spin-tastic horse [BLEEP] I've seen today.
BTW the league average INT by team was 14 and the Jags D had 16.
Fumbles recovered avg was 10 and Jags had 11.
We ended up very average in both takeaway categories.
Sure, it dosen't help.
But at the same time, when we had ETN averaging 5 YPC for the majority of the season prior he still wasn't sniffing 30 tds, and for half of the season was awful.
NYC do me a favor sir. If our O line and run game are significantly improved this upcoming season, and Trevor still provides us with 20-25 tds/10-20 turnovers.. just promise me you wont blame anyone but the man causing the problem this time.. you can't scapegoat Doug or the WRs.. just the guy making the mistakes.
Can you do that?
When TL's mistakes are negatively impacting the offense more than the line or skill position errors - I'll come correct.
The only games that came anywhere close to being true this season were after he had compiled 4 injuries in short order. (due mostly to the OL)
I want to see him be smarter with the football in 2024. He needs to take a step forward there. Having a pocket and 1/4 second longer to step into will help that a lot.
(01-14-2024, 04:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 04:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, it dosen't help.
But at the same time, when we had ETN averaging 5 YPC for the majority of the season prior he still wasn't sniffing 30 tds, and for half of the season was awful.
NYC do me a favor sir. If our O line and run game are significantly improved this upcoming season, and Trevor still provides us with 20-25 tds/10-20 turnovers.. just promise me you wont blame anyone but the man causing the problem this time.. you can't scapegoat Doug or the WRs.. just the guy making the mistakes.
Can you do that?
When TL's mistakes are negatively impacting the offense more than the line or skill position errors - I'll come correct.
The only games that came anywhere close to being true this season were after he had compiled 4 injuries in short order. (due mostly to the OL)
I want to see him be smarter with the football in 2024. He needs to take a step forward there. Having a pocket and 1/4 second longer to step into will help that a lot.
Fair enough, but I can already see this board next january if he stays the same and there is a better line/run game/less drops.. I can just see certain board members calling for Doug to be fired and ignoring what's happening.
(01-14-2024, 04:42 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 04:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]When TL's mistakes are negatively impacting the offense more than the line or skill position errors - I'll come correct.
The only games that came anywhere close to being true this season were after he had compiled 4 injuries in short order. (due mostly to the OL)
I want to see him be smarter with the football in 2024. He needs to take a step forward there. Having a pocket and 1/4 second longer to step into will help that a lot.
Fair enough, but I can already see this board next january if he stays the same and there is a better line/run game/less drops.. I can just see certain board members calling for Doug to be fired and ignoring what's happening.
If this OL is in the upper 60% or so of the league in protection metrics - and the run game goes from bottom 10 up to top 12 or so - TL will undoubtedly thrive IMO. Basically - I'm calling for mid-tier protection at OL - and upper-mid-tier run production. That's it.
I don't think the scenario you are painting is realistic. TL's efficiency grades make it insanely unlikely that this offense sputters given the improvements I've laid out.
The only thing the coaching staff and TL need to work out systematically is red zone passing. The threat of a functional run game inside the 20 should make that much, much easier to improve, but it still needs work. They should be able to find more efficiency in the RZ and some of that is between TL's ears, but protection he can trust a bit more factors in heavily too.
Trevor is gonna be a good QB.
The thing that I'm wondering is why he can't take snaps under center...
Is he stupid?
(01-14-2024, 05:46 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is gonna be a good QB.
The thing that I'm wondering is why he can't take snaps under center...
Is he stupid?
This year the defense would have beaten him to the drop back spot.
(01-14-2024, 05:46 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is gonna be a good QB.
The thing that I'm wondering is why he can't take snaps under center...
Is he stupid?
NFL teams run more shotgun every single year for the past several years.
The number has risen across the board from 66% in 2021 to 72% in 2023.
Jags ran shotgun at a rate of 74.96% in 2022 when you think they ran a "different offense."
(they didn't)
Before I find you the 2023 number - what do you think it will be?
Piggybacking on this - the Jags fanbase is all abuzz with "stop running out of shotgun on 3rd and short!!!!"
What if I told you the NFL since 2021 has run on 3rd or 4th and short out of shotgun MORE than they have from under center?
Yep.
It's true. 55% of those 4000 plus attempts were run league wide from shotgun.
The success rate from under center has been 69.9%
The success rate from shotgun has been 61% - but they keep on doing it.
The Jaguars 3rd and 4th down short yardage conversion rate has been the sixth worst in the league from August 2021 to November 2023 when the study took place.
Just get this team an interior line and stop worrying about this stuff. An 8% success rate difference between under center and shotgun runs is not going to cripple an offense, but total dysfunction at Center and Left Guard definitely will.
(01-14-2024, 05:46 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is gonna be a good QB.
The thing that I'm wondering is why he can't take snaps under center...
Is he stupid?
Yes
But jokes aside... I think you can argue that we needed to take snaps from the shotgun because our IOL sucks massive balls.
(01-14-2024, 04:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 03:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You reckon ending the season with the worst run blocking line in the league affects your red-zone efficiency, or nah?
This offense was handcuffed to hell and back by the line's ineptitude.
You can find a dozen or so really crappy mistakes by TL this year that hurt the offense badly. You can find 20 more from skill players and the communication issues among them.
But you can look at 30 snaps in damn near every single game where three-fifths of that line totally dumped a hot steaming loaf on the football field. They sucked in both run and pass phases.
Calling turnovers "extra possessions" is also the most disingenuous, spin-tastic horse [BLEEP] I've seen today.
BTW the league average INT by team was 14 and the Jags D had 16.
Fumbles recovered avg was 10 and Jags had 11.
We ended up very average in both takeaway categories.
Sure, it dosen't help.
But at the same time, when we had ETN averaging 5 YPC for the majority of the season prior he still wasn't sniffing 30 tds, and for half of the season was awful.
NYC do me a favor sir. If our O line and run game are significantly improved this upcoming season, and Trevor still provides us with 20-25 tds/10-20 turnovers.. just promise me you wont blame anyone but the man causing the problem this time.. you can't scapegoat Doug or the WRs.. just the guy making the mistakes.
Can you do that?
That greatly depends... Are the Receivers going to actually catch the [BLEEP] balls or not? That certainly plays a role in having more TDs or not. There's two different 3 minute videos here of the skill players screwing this Offense over more than Lawrence is with their drops/bad routes/fumbles/not dragging their feet etc. But we just love to ignore that reality right? Lawrence needs to throw the ball and catch the TD as well huh.
(01-14-2024, 06:47 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 04:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, it dosen't help.
But at the same time, when we had ETN averaging 5 YPC for the majority of the season prior he still wasn't sniffing 30 tds, and for half of the season was awful.
NYC do me a favor sir. If our O line and run game are significantly improved this upcoming season, and Trevor still provides us with 20-25 tds/10-20 turnovers.. just promise me you wont blame anyone but the man causing the problem this time.. you can't scapegoat Doug or the WRs.. just the guy making the mistakes.
Can you do that?
That greatly depends... Are the Receivers going to actually catch the [BLEEP] balls or not? That certainly plays a role in having more TDs or not. There's two different 3 minute videos here of the skill players screwing this Offense over more than Lawrence is with their drops/bad routes/fumbles/not dragging their feet etc. But we just love to ignore that reality right? Lawrence needs to throw the ball and catch the TD as well huh.
Theres far more overthrown/errant passes than drops but we pretend those don't exist 'round here
Nah but catchable passes are nessacary. Some of those "near miss" tds specifically in the chiefs game were over thrown passes that were just off the mark enough that the wrs could not stay in bounds.
again, it's not black and white.
(01-14-2024, 07:02 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 06:47 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]That greatly depends... Are the Receivers going to actually catch the [BLEEP] balls or not? That certainly plays a role in having more TDs or not. There's two different 3 minute videos here of the skill players screwing this Offense over more than Lawrence is with their drops/bad routes/fumbles/not dragging their feet etc. But we just love to ignore that reality right? Lawrence needs to throw the ball and catch the TD as well huh.
Theres far more overthrown/errant passes than drops but we pretend those don't exist 'round here
Nah but catchable passes are nessacary. Some of those "near miss" tds specifically in the chiefs game were over thrown passes that were just off the mark enough that the wrs could not stay in bounds.
again, it's not black and white.
Naw they definitely exist because they're usually the only throws that get pointed out around here. People love to harp on the handful of bad throws per game and completely ignore the 2-3 dozen good throws.
(01-14-2024, 07:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 07:02 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Theres far more overthrown/errant passes than drops but we pretend those don't exist 'round here
Nah but catchable passes are nessacary. Some of those "near miss" tds specifically in the chiefs game were over thrown passes that were just off the mark enough that the wrs could not stay in bounds.
again, it's not black and white.
Naw they definitely exist because they're usually the only throws that get pointed out around here. People love to harp on the handful of bad throws per game and completely ignore the 2-3 dozen good throws.
You're telling me he makes 2-3 dozen good throws per game?
(01-14-2024, 07:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 07:02 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Theres far more overthrown/errant passes than drops but we pretend those don't exist 'round here
Nah but catchable passes are nessacary. Some of those "near miss" tds specifically in the chiefs game were over thrown passes that were just off the mark enough that the wrs could not stay in bounds.
again, it's not black and white.
Naw they definitely exist because they're usually the only throws that get pointed out around here. People love to harp on the handful of bad throws per game and completely ignore the 2-3 dozen good throws.
If he was making 2-3 dozen good throws a game he'd be playing today.
(01-14-2024, 07:10 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 07:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Naw they definitely exist because they're usually the only throws that get pointed out around here. People love to harp on the handful of bad throws per game and completely ignore the 2-3 dozen good throws.
You're telling me he makes 2-3 dozen good throws per game?
He averages over 2 dozen completions per game.
(01-14-2024, 07:12 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2024, 07:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Naw they definitely exist because they're usually the only throws that get pointed out around here. People love to harp on the handful of bad throws per game and completely ignore the 2-3 dozen good throws.
If he was making 2-3 dozen good throws a game he'd be playing today.
Not with the way the Defense collapsed coming down the back stretch of the season.