(11-12-2023, 11:56 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 11:44 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]We need the Trevor from the second half of last season back.
And we need him for a whole season. That's my biggest concern it's year three and he hasn't had a complete good season yet.
This is essentially my issue atm. When does he figure it out.
(11-12-2023, 11:44 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]We need the Trevor from the second half of last season back.
What about the first 3 games of the 2022 season?
As I said earlier in this post - my biggest issue is the lack of touchdowns.
I wouldn’t care if he has 10 INTs so far this year if he had 22 touchdowns to go with it. 9 touchdowns in 9 games is pedestrian at best.
We need to score points. Be more aggressive, drive the ball down the field and let’s stop being so conservative.
There's 8 games left for him to pad his stats on here for you stat loving folks. Again, all I care about is wins. 9 TD's with a 6 - 3 record > 18 TD's with a 3 - 6 record.
(11-13-2023, 08:39 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]There's 8 games left for him to pad his stats on here for you stat loving folks. Again, all I care about is wins. 9 TD's with a 6 - 3 record > 18 TD's with a 3 - 6 record.
You’re missing the point but ok.
Nobody is saying we want stats over wins. Wins are the most important. But in order for us to win against good teams we need to score touchdowns and score points.
I sure hope he pads his stats in the next 8 games. He needs to. We need him to score points.
43 games into his career and he’s averaging basically one passing touchdown per game. He has potential for much more but it’s time to start seeing that on a more consistent basis, not just 4-5 games last year
(11-13-2023, 08:47 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 08:39 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]There's 8 games left for him to pad his stats on here for you stat loving folks. Again, all I care about is wins. 9 TD's with a 6 - 3 record > 18 TD's with a 3 - 6 record.
You’re missing the point but ok.
Nobody is saying we want stats over wins. Wins are the most important. But in order for us to win against good teams we need to score touchdowns and score points.
I sure hope he pads his stats in the next 8 games. He needs to. We need him to score points.
43 games into his career and he’s averaging basically one passing touchdown per game. He has potential for much more but it’s time to start seeing that on a more consistent basis, not just 4-5 games last year
Not missing anything. If you want to slob and slave over gaudy passing statistics. [BLEEP] have at it. I am simply saying:
WINS > STATS
I don't think he needs to pad stats. This team got it's [BLEEP] kicked yesterday by a great football team. People are overreacting as usual. If you actually watch the [BLEEP] game it's the same issue we've seen all year. The offensive line is dog [BLEEP], especially within the interior.
When you can win with a base three or four front and allow everybody else to keep the offense in front of them? 9 times out of 10 you're going to probably win the football game. They dictated the line of scrimmage from start to finish on both sides of the football.
It was pretty clear from the giddy up. Win in the trenches. Not the time to panic. If he plays like he did yesterday, say, against the tacks twice, tinhorns in Houston and the Panthers and Buccaneers? I'd panic.
What happened yesterday though? Get used to that. It happened with the Bills. You're going to see it with the Ravens and Browns this year as well. The giant's bane for this team is the interior three. Period.
Plain and Simple, Trevor is a mid QB. He's not even the best QB in the division. Brock Purdy outplayed him yesterday. Mr irrelevant is showing he's better than Trevor. It's disappointing.
(11-13-2023, 09:06 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Plain and Simple, Trevor is a mid QB. He's not even the best QB in the division. Brock Purdy outplayed him yesterday. Mr irrelevant is showing he's better than Trevor. It's disappointing.
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BrklynJag!
You know it was a bad day when this guy comes out from under his rock.
(11-13-2023, 09:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 09:06 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Plain and Simple, Trevor is a mid QB. He's not even the best QB in the division. Brock Purdy outplayed him yesterday. Mr irrelevant is showing he's better than Trevor. It's disappointing.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I present to you the case study in Fair Weather Fandom and Master Troll Extraordinaire,
BrklynJag!
You know it was a bad day when this guy comes out from under his rock.
Oh please. I read the message board every day. I'm pumped about our 6 n 3 start. But it's time to call Trevor into question. It's a legit concern. If you don't think so take the blinders off.
(11-13-2023, 09:35 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 09:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Ladies and Gentlemen,
I present to you the case study in Fair Weather Fandom and Master Troll Extraordinaire,
BrklynJag!
You know it was a bad day when this guy comes out from under his rock.
Oh please. I read the message board every day. I'm pumped about our 6 n 3 start. But it's time to call Trevor into question. It's a legit concern. If you don't think so take the blinders off.
Uh huh. Don't you have some goats to hassle for bridge toll?
P.S. - Your last post before the above was in 2020. As I said, it was a bad day.
(11-12-2023, 08:28 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 08:02 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if Lawrence will ever be considered in the same league as top QBs - like it or not he will get a big contract here and will continue to build around him, just wish we build a better team becaus my confidence for him isn't that high.
If he continues to play the way he has that contract might b a little more team friendly
Here's to hoping he signs his next contract with Tennessee or Indy.
(11-13-2023, 09:39 AM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2023, 08:28 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If he continues to play the way he has that contract might b a little more team friendly
Here's to hoping he signs his next contract with Tennessee or Indy.
Wow, speaking of less than mid trolling.
(11-13-2023, 09:06 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Plain and Simple, Trevor is a mid QB. He's not even the best QB in the division. Brock Purdy outplayed him yesterday. Mr irrelevant is showing he's better than Trevor. It's disappointing.
If anyone argues that CJ Stroud is NOT the best QB in the AFC South this year, they're not watching football and don't understand football.
We're starting to hear excuses all our previous QBs also used: offensive line play. O line play wasn't good for Gabbert, wasn't good for Henne or Bortles, and now isn't good enough for Trevor either apparently.
Trevor has 3 first round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick playing offensive line for him. They aren't good. They aren't the worst in the league by any means. I wish they were better, especially on the inside. I think drafting Strange and Bigsby was really stupid when you had solid linemen available.
But that does not absolve Trevor from any criticism. Where are the audibles, where is the command of the offense, where is the killer mentality? 46 TDs in 43 games. 9 TDs in 9 games this year. More turnovers than touchdowns this year. That is not winning QB play. You could say thanks to our defense being opportunistic we are 6-3 and not 3-6.
(11-13-2023, 09:41 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 09:06 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Plain and Simple, Trevor is a mid QB. He's not even the best QB in the division. Brock Purdy outplayed him yesterday. Mr irrelevant is showing he's better than Trevor. It's disappointing.
If anyone argues that CJ Stroud is NOT the best QB in the AFC South this year, they're not watching football and don't understand football.
We're starting to hear excuses all our previous QBs also used: offensive line play. O line play wasn't good for Gabbert, wasn't good for Henne or Bortles, and now isn't good enough for Trevor either apparently.
Trevor has 3 first round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick playing offensive line for him. They aren't good. They aren't the worst in the league by any means. I wish they were better, especially on the inside. I think drafting Strange and Bigsby was really stupid when you had solid linemen available.
But that does not absolve Trevor from any criticism. Where are the audibles, where is the command of the offense, where is the killer mentality? 46 TDs in 43 games. 9 TDs in 9 games this year. More turnovers than touchdowns this year. That is not winning QB play. You could say thanks to our defense being opportunistic we are 6-3 and not 3-6.
He has an average LT playing after a PED suspension, a left tackle playing guard, a bad center, a RG who plays well in spurts but really craps his pants on some plays and a rookie RT with a bum shoulder. Everything you said about Lawrence is true, but the quality of the line is the much bigger issue and we've been saying it since last season.
I agree the line needs to be better.
I am just not prepared to say Trevor doesn't deserve any criticism because of the line.
Most teams have weaknesses on the line. A Franchise QB can usually overcome that generally speaking. I am afraid that it's becoming one of those things where everything needs to be perfect for him to thrive.
Is he changing the protections enough? is he audibling into better plays? Is he seeing the pressure early and helping his offensive line out with his legs? I
(11-13-2023, 09:06 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Plain and Simple, Trevor is a mid QB. He's not even the best QB in the division. Brock Purdy outplayed him yesterday. Mr irrelevant is showing he's better than Trevor. It's disappointing.
Were you at the game yesterday?
(11-13-2023, 10:00 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I agree the line needs to be better.
I am just not prepared to say Trevor doesn't deserve any criticism because of the line.
Most teams have weaknesses on the line. A Franchise QB can usually overcome that generally speaking. I am afraid that it's becoming one of those things where everything needs to be perfect for him to thrive.
Is he changing the protections enough? is he audibling into better plays? Is he seeing the pressure early and helping his offensive line out with his legs? I
I'm not saying he doesn't need to play better, because he does. But so does everyone else including Ridley who disappears, Engram who caught one and ran back 5 yards and flat out dropped a first down on another, Kirk who played well but had a crucial fumble, and poor ETN who just got blasted all day. But it's also true that most teams have A weakness on the line while our most glaring weakness IS the line. Big difference.
(11-13-2023, 10:00 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I agree the line needs to be better.
I am just not prepared to say Trevor doesn't deserve any criticism because of the line.
Most teams have weaknesses on the line. A Franchise QB can usually overcome that generally speaking. I am afraid that it's becoming one of those things where everything needs to be perfect for him to thrive.
Is he changing the protections enough? is he audibling into better plays? Is he seeing the pressure early and helping his offensive line out with his legs? I
He overcame a lot of that last year and so far this year. Goes back to the play-off loss to the Chiefs though. The moment you face a quality front four? Party's over. You can only mask and get away with so many play calls and designs.
The defense has been great enough this year. I'll agree with you on this. Last year though? It was the other way around. That's why Trevor's numbers were higher in TD's Vs. this year. He's not needing to score 2 - 4 TD's every week to win it.
So, we'll see. Again, my biggest thing is this. Is he perfect? No. We can all agree his rookie year was trash. We had an entire implosion with the coaching staff at that time. It was a mess. Last year? We started off 2 - 6 and then went onto win 7 games, gain a divisional title and pull off a pretty crazy comeback play-off win at home.
This team is still learning and growing in year two with Pederson. All I care about is culture and wins. All's well if they beat the tacks this Sunday and get up to a 7 - 3 record. Which they can do. As they've already proven it last year and again this year after starting off 1 - 2.
We got handled by a great team yesterday though. I'll eat my crow. I was overhyped and foolish. The 49ers are still very much the class of the NFC and it'll probably be them and the Eagles duking it out for the Superbowl appearance from their conference.
I'll also say this. Regarding the pressure and QB play. Purdy was basically smothered when he hit Kittle in the 2nd half opener for a TD. Lawrence had similar plays he made in London against the Bills. He just didn't have that same luck yesterday against a stout front four.
[BLEEP] happens. I am just going to continue to trust the process. Remember where we come from. Still plenty of football left with eight games and there's always room for improvement. He could just as easily get streaky and start doing [BLEEP] like 250+ YPG, 2+ TD's per game and maybe have one game where he turns it over from here on out.
As long as we're winning? Fine by me.
(11-13-2023, 10:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 10:00 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I agree the line needs to be better.
I am just not prepared to say Trevor doesn't deserve any criticism because of the line.
Most teams have weaknesses on the line. A Franchise QB can usually overcome that generally speaking. I am afraid that it's becoming one of those things where everything needs to be perfect for him to thrive.
Is he changing the protections enough? is he audibling into better plays? Is he seeing the pressure early and helping his offensive line out with his legs? I
I'm not saying he doesn't need to play better, because he does. But so does everyone else including Ridley who disappears, Engram who caught one and ran back 5 yards and flat out dropped a first down on another, Kirk who played well but had a crucial fumble, and poor ETN who just got blasted all day. But it's also true that most teams have A weakness on the line while our most glaring weakness IS the line. Big difference.
Agree that all those guys need to play better. I think i've been very critical of Ridley basically since week 2. None of those guys except for maybe ETN are going to be here for the long term. And none of them are considered elite or "franchise" material at their respective positions - but Trevor has been described that way and needs to be. He needs to be better at QB than Engram at TE. he needs to elevate others. He needs to be a much better QB than Ridley is a WR.
I am not calling for his head - far from it. I think he's got a lot of potential. But some of the people on this forum have been nothing short of aggressive anytime someone points out that Trevor isn't elite and isn't a Franchise QB yet. This isn't a "I told you so!" post - but let's not jump down anyone's throat.
I think this line needs help. I also think that a Mahomes can play with this line and still be the best QB in the league. That's the difference. Brady has made a living playing with subpar offensive lines and making people think the line is much better than they are. He knows where to go with the ball, how to do that, where not to go with the ball, how to improve his protections, etc. Trevor isn't there. I know i'm comparing him to HOF players which is unfair - but right now he's a young QB with a lot of talent that is pretty mediocre.