(02-03-2024, 01:40 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BrentASJax/status/17...4984303778
Peyton Manning on Trevor lawrence and him declining invitation to the pro bowl.
Translation: 'Trevor is good QB. It's a shame the Jaguars GM can't find his [BLEEP] with both hands when it comes to getting a decent offensive line to protect their biggest investment.'
(02-02-2024, 09:43 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Back on topic a bit. Lawrence has the following qualities to him:
1. Durability.
2. Toughness.
3. Leadership.
4. Superior Arm Talent.
Here's some things he needs to work on, which is fair:
1. Ball security.
2. Yelling at his offensive lineman for not being good enough.
3. Yelling at his receivers for running the wrong routes and costing them turnovers.
4. Protecting himself more when he's running away from the shanty shack of a pocket that's been created so he doesn't injure himself.
Trajectory wise, I think he'll have his best season year-to-date. My early expectations are the following statistically as I expect them to fix the obvious issues on this football team between March & April.
2024 - Pass Attempts = 575, Pass Completions = 400, Completion Percentage = 69.5, Pass Yardage = 4,200, Passing Touchdowns = 33, Interceptions = 10, Quarterback Rating = 97.9, Rushing Attempts = 75, Rushin Yardage = 385, Rushing Touchdowns = 8, Fumbles = 5, Fumbles Lost = 2
This is what I would consider the "goldilocks zone" for him as a high end talent in the NFL. This should be his standard moving forward. I legitimately believe these numbers above, at the minimum, barring any significant woes on the defensive side of the football, should merit at least an 11 or more win season for this team yearly.
We're getting closer I think. He's still young. Soon the Sunshine Brett Favre moniker will go away and I think we'll start seeing him more as a Peyton Manning from the pocket, Aaron Rodgers from outside the pocket type of Quarterback out of him.
From your keyboard to God’s ear.
I still believe that talent wise, Trevor is a top five quarterback. I want to see the obstacles in his own team removed so that he can live up to his talent.
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(02-02-2024, 09:43 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Back on topic a bit. Lawrence has the following qualities to him:
1. Durability.
2. Toughness.
3. Leadership.
4. Superior Arm Talent.
Here's some things he needs to work on, which is fair:
1. Ball security.
2. Yelling at his offensive lineman for not being good enough.
3. Yelling at his receivers for running the wrong routes and costing them turnovers.
4. Protecting himself more when he's running away from the shanty shack of a pocket that's been created so he doesn't injure himself.
Trajectory wise, I think he'll have his best season year-to-date. My early expectations are the following statistically as I expect them to fix the obvious issues on this football team between March & April.
2024 - Pass Attempts = 575, Pass Completions = 400, Completion Percentage = 69.5, Pass Yardage = 4,200, Passing Touchdowns = 33, Interceptions = 10, Quarterback Rating = 97.9, Rushing Attempts = 75, Rushin Yardage = 385, Rushing Touchdowns = 8, Fumbles = 5, Fumbles Lost = 2
This is what I would consider the "goldilocks zone" for him as a high end talent in the NFL. This should be his standard moving forward. I legitimately believe these numbers above, at the minimum, barring any significant woes on the defensive side of the football, should merit at least an 11 or more win season for this team yearly.
We're getting closer I think. He's still young. Soon the Sunshine Brett Favre moniker will go away and I think we'll start seeing him more as a Peyton Manning from the pocket, Aaron Rodgers from outside the pocket type of Quarterback out of him.
Quote:Yeah I am so tired man
He has to fix turnovers and maybe consistency on accuracy other then that he has elite abilities. He could of had 30 tds this season with less turnovers and drops. A certain group here they clearly want him to fail so they can say told you so.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1...1_&ref_url=
The only thing that really bothers me is accuracy. Ball security can be addressed. But if he is slinging it and throwing accurate balls, I’ll take a few interceptions along with the big plays.
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(02-03-2024, 09:22 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 01:49 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Yes we all know bortles had all time greats like aj cann and zane beadles.. and the d was good in 2017, not 14-15-16 which are the first 3 years
You do know that a huge part of Bortles stats from 2014-2016 were when the team was getting smoked and he was piling up garbage time numbers against prevent defenses?
Or are you just regurgitating numbers?
Or do you just choose not to remember that?
We got smoked A LOT in 2021, where are Trevors garbage time numbers?
In '15 Bortles had a 5 TD game against the Titans, no garbage time we lost by a score and it was a game until the end. Plenty of other examples of that too. Can our guy even throw 5 tds in a game? hell can he throw 4 TDs in a game without 4 ints?
(02-03-2024, 05:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 09:22 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]You do know that a huge part of Bortles stats from 2014-2016 were when the team was getting smoked and he was piling up garbage time numbers against prevent defenses?
Or are you just regurgitating numbers?
Or do you just choose not to remember that?
We got smoked A LOT in 2021, where are Trevors garbage time numbers?
In '15 Bortles had a 5 TD game against the Titans, no garbage time we lost by a score and it was a game until the end. Plenty of other examples of that too. Can our guy even throw 5 tds in a game? hell can he throw 4 TDs in a game without 4 ints?
And then in 2022 and 2023? Bortles played on three AWFUL teams that were almost ALWAYS getting blown out. I know, you have selective amnesia. You only want to point to Lawrence’s first year because it meets your needs.
Oh, and he HAS thrown for four without four INTs genius.
(02-03-2024, 06:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 05:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]We got smoked A LOT in 2021, where are Trevors garbage time numbers?
In '15 Bortles had a 5 TD game against the Titans, no garbage time we lost by a score and it was a game until the end. Plenty of other examples of that too. Can our guy even throw 5 tds in a game? hell can he throw 4 TDs in a game without 4 ints?
And then in 2022 and 2023? Bortles played on three AWFUL teams that were almost ALWAYS getting blown out. I know, you have selective amnesia. You only want to point to Lawrence’s first year because it meets your needs.
Oh, and he HAS thrown for four without four INTs genius.
Once... against the worst team in the league at the time.
(02-03-2024, 10:24 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 01:38 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Simply false. Bortles had a better OL and a better Defense around him.
Regardless, using Bortles and Lawrence in the same discussion just shows you have absolutely no idea about what you're watching.
Same with people using Trevor and Mahomes.
And yet no one is comparing Trevor to Mahomes.
Mahomes is the best QB of all time (arguably).
(02-03-2024, 06:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 05:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]We got smoked A LOT in 2021, where are Trevors garbage time numbers?
In '15 Bortles had a 5 TD game against the Titans, no garbage time we lost by a score and it was a game until the end. Plenty of other examples of that too. Can our guy even throw 5 tds in a game? hell can he throw 4 TDs in a game without 4 ints?
And then in 2022 and 2023? Bortles played on three AWFUL teams that were almost ALWAYS getting blown out. I know, you have selective amnesia. You only want to point to Lawrence’s first year because it meets your needs.
Oh, and he HAS thrown for four without four INTs genius.
Oh EXCUSE ME I'm sorry, I fogot his SINGLE game where he did that against Dallas.
(02-03-2024, 06:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 06:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]And then in 2022 and 2023? Bortles played on three AWFUL teams that were almost ALWAYS getting blown out. I know, you have selective amnesia. You only want to point to Lawrence’s first year because it meets your needs.
Oh, and he HAS thrown for four without four INTs genius.
Oh EXCUSE ME I'm sorry, I fogot his SINGLE game where he did that against Dallas.
Hey, you’re the dip [BLEEP] the made the assertion. You could at least try to be correct.
(02-03-2024, 06:20 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 06:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]And then in 2022 and 2023? Bortles played on three AWFUL teams that were almost ALWAYS getting blown out. I know, you have selective amnesia. You only want to point to Lawrence’s first year because it meets your needs.
Oh, and he HAS thrown for four without four INTs genius.
Once... against the worst team in the league at the time.
And? LOL. Dallas was the worst team in the league? Another Einstein at work.
(02-03-2024, 06:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 10:24 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Same with people using Trevor and Mahomes.
And yet no one is comparing Trevor to Mahomes.
Mahomes is the best QB of all time (arguably).
‘Bro… It’s the hair, isn’t it?’
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(02-03-2024, 07:21 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 06:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And yet no one is comparing Trevor to Mahomes.
Mahomes is the best QB of all time (arguably).
‘Bro… It’s the hair, isn’t it?’
He's gonna surpass him.
He's been in the AFC championship every year of his career.
(02-02-2024, 11:24 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]If I'm Trevor, I'm not in a hurry to negotiate coming off of last year if the team thinks they're getting some big discount because of it. You either pay me top 5 money now and we'll revisit in 2 years when I'm outperforming what will then be a top 10 deal or we wait a year and I reset the market next offseason. That would be my mentality if I were him or his agent.
I agree with this. It would surprise if the Treavor camp had not expressed directly the disappointment in the organization for not providing a competent offensive line. I also cannot imagine he would want to spend his entire career running for his life on every pass attempt. There are teams that will not do that to him.
as a side note I heard some kids singing a song that had to be written about Treavor's many injuries this last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanHgPprl-0
(02-03-2024, 10:32 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]He deserves top 10-15 money but no one gets what they truly deserve, they get more coughDanielJonescough. Give him 8-10 money. He really doesn't deserve more.
If you put a turnover clause in there, I am good with that.
I don't care what the stats say my eyes tell me he is the best Jaguars QB already and he is on his way as long as he cuts turnovers down and if they fix the oline he should be able to do that no excuses that's it.
(02-04-2024, 10:20 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care what the stats say my eyes tell me he is the best Jaguars QB already and he is on his way as long as he cuts turnovers down and if they fix the oline he should be able to do that no excuses that's it.
It’s really just the fumbles which are much easier to cut down than interceptions. It’s not like he’s making horrible reads on his interceptions either.
Cut down on the fumbles. Get an actual run game instead of one that gets stuffed for negative yards every 3 plays. We cookin.
Then the trolls can go back in the hole.
(02-04-2024, 04:12 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2024, 10:32 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]He deserves top 10-15 money but no one gets what they truly deserve, they get more coughDanielJonescough. Give him 8-10 money. He really doesn't deserve more.
If you put a turnover clause in there, I am good with that.
Well, if I were him I would not sign an extension this year if our front office had that attitude. My plan would be to see if they will provide a competent offensive line first before I decided whether to move on to another team or not.
Not spending my whole career running for my life while trying to win games.
Not getting my rear end kicked on almost every play, which has an effect on my stats.
Not spending my career tripping over offensive linemen that have been pushed into me.
If this was college I would have been in the portal after the first year. (Urban) and after this year's offensive line display if they took receivers and CB's before linemen in the draft, I would know I needed a change of teams.
(02-02-2024, 09:41 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2024, 09:32 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Right here, I thought he was another Ohio product that performed well in college based on the extremely simplified offense they run and abundant talent around him.
Lookie there, I was wrong.
Sorry tho, haven't been wrong on Trevor yet. I know that's what you really want to hear.
Who is everyone? I never looked at RG3 and thought he was an elite QB. I thought he had scary speed at the QB position which was a rarity at the time, but comparing RG3 and Stroud is downright ignorant. Stroud passes the eye test with flying colors. Something Trevor has not been able to acomplish.
RGIII easily one of the best rookie seasons in modern history and he took the Redskins to the play offs in year one. It was a universally accepted thought by the majority of the MSM.
His rookie debut game against the Saints was memorable. 20 TD passes Vs. 5 INTs, 3200 yards passing with another 800+ yards and 8 TDs. He was 9 - 6 as a starter. 65.6% completion percentage.
No clue what your thoughts were. That was back in 2012. He was good though. Same offense and similar concepts CJ had with Slowik because its the same offense RGIII had minus the RPO stuff the Shanahan's ran. Slowik was there.
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RG3: 9-6,
65.6%, 3200 yards, 20 TDs, 5 INTs,
815 Rush Yards,
7 Rush TDs, Total TDs 27
CJ: 9-6, 63.9%,
4108 yards,
23 TDs, 5 INTs, 167 Rush Yards, 3 Rush TDs, Total TDs 26
RG3 is actually a perfect comparison and by the numbers, actually had a slightly better season than CJ. Now, RG3 had a bad knee injury, CJ had a bad concussion. It will be interesting to see how CJ does in year two