He is lighting up man to man, which is expected with the Jags personnel
Zone and zone matchup schemes are still an issue. Hes getting better at manipulating defenders. Just needs to work on pre snap movement.
Getting closer to adding protection schemes to Trevor's plate. Still got work in cleaning up the pre snap process, need to get more efficient so they can get to the line quicker and get into their motions and pre snap diagnosis.
(10-30-2023, 11:08 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]He is lighting up man to man, which is expected with the Jags personnel
Zone and zone matchup schemes are still an issue. Hes getting better at manipulating defenders. Just needs to work on pre snap movement.
Getting closer to adding protection schemes to Trevor's plate. Still got work in cleaning up the pre snap process, need to get more efficient so they can get to the line quicker and get into their motions and pre snap diagnosis.
I thought he did very well vs zone in the latter half of last year at times.
Seemed adept at finding Zay, Kirk and Engram in the soft spots when defenses gave him that.
Do you have anything statistically showing he has struggled vs zone?
(10-30-2023, 11:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 11:08 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]He is lighting up man to man, which is expected with the Jags personnel
Zone and zone matchup schemes are still an issue. Hes getting better at manipulating defenders. Just needs to work on pre snap movement.
Getting closer to adding protection schemes to Trevor's plate. Still got work in cleaning up the pre snap process, need to get more efficient so they can get to the line quicker and get into their motions and pre snap diagnosis.
I thought he did very well vs zone in the latter half of last year at times.
Seemed adept at finding Zay, Kirk and Engram in the soft spots when defenses gave him that.
Do you have anything statistically showing he has struggled vs zone?
Nothing statistical.
To me, hes just not making the right read vs zone consistently, his arm gets him out of trouble, some would argue its the correct read since he can make the throw.
But taking the first level throw on 2nd and 10 over the 2nd level throw where it takes an elite throw to get it there on time, is the correct move in the long run.
Nothing thats not fixable with experience. Theres times were he just needs to slow down and diagnose, and that comes with time and experience. Gotta remind myself, this is only year 3 and with no glaring issues that will hold him back.
(10-30-2023, 11:47 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 11:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I thought he did very well vs zone in the latter half of last year at times.
Seemed adept at finding Zay, Kirk and Engram in the soft spots when defenses gave him that.
Do you have anything statistically showing he has struggled vs zone?
Nothing statistical.
To me, hes just not making the right read vs zone consistently, his arm gets him out of trouble, some would argue its the correct read since he can make the throw.
But taking the first level throw on 2nd and 10 over the 2nd level throw where it takes an elite throw to get it there on time, is the correct move in the long run.
Nothing thats not fixable with experience. Theres times were he just needs to slow down and diagnose, and that comes with time and experience. Gotta remind myself, this is only year 3 and with no glaring issues that will hold him back.
I see what you are saying.
I have definitely seen games where he has a chip on his shoulder about
not taking the easy ones.
Probably why his play from last season sprang to mind. he was taking the safer ones a bit more often at that time.
( he also didn't have #0)
Have definitely seen him "hero" too many this season and I think he may gain some control over that.
It really seems to me he has a stronger desire this year to prove the doubters wrong for both he and his receivers.
Like he's taking the noise a bit too personally. Which is human/normal.
Anyway - when facing zone - would be good to see him take what he's given more consistently, but some of those hero balls... wow! Throwing off script, off balance, no pocket, under pressure, and still making the tough one get there.
(10-30-2023, 06:45 PM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheHonestNFL/status/...agCQQ&s=19
I don’t care what anybody says. Trevor is the truth! Can’t wait to see his continued growth. He will be acclaimed with the same certainty and near reverence that Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrows, etc. are.
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(10-30-2023, 06:59 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 06:45 PM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheHonestNFL/status/...agCQQ&s=19
I don’t care what anybody says. Trevor is the truth! Can’t wait to see his continued growth. He will be acclaimed with the same certainty and near reverence that Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrows, etc. are.
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This is getting out of hand... Trev is a good modern NFL QB but I would argue he is more of a "don't mess this up and hand it off when we're in scoring range" than a "carry us elite one" type QB. #gamemanager but used ironically? The copium you folks ingest is crazy. I'm going to give you folks a couple of redzone stat lines, you have to guess who is who
19/31 61.3% 110yds 3.5YPA 4TD 1 INT 0 Sacks 4 Rushes, 25 yards, 2 tds
12/23 52.2% 86yds 3.7YPA 4TD 1 INT 4 Sacks 5 rushes 10 yards, 0 tds
One is a journeymen backup on his 3rd team with 4 starts/7 games played so far. The other is "the franchise", and the best QB in the NFL to some of you. One was a 6th rounder, the other was picked 1st overall. Clearly, Trevor is the superior QB, I am not saying he isn't, but we can't pretend he's some super god tier QB when you are getting outplayed in the redzone by a journeymen backup on a 3 win team. For fun, this is what Burrow looks like inside the 20, who is having a rough start to the year due to injury.
27/37 73.0% 138yds 3.7YPA 9TD 1 INT 1 Sack 1 rush 3 yds 0 tds - 1 less game played btw.
There is no denying that Trevor is more or less just getting us close, and when we need a score the ball is out of his hands, I don't consider that elite, especially when your back has 7 tds vs 9 from your QB. Ouch.
(11-01-2023, 11:32 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 06:59 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t care what anybody says. Trevor is the truth! Can’t wait to see his continued growth. He will be acclaimed with the same certainty and near reverence that Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrows, etc. are.
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This is getting out of hand... Trev is a good modern NFL QB but I would argue he is more of a "don't mess this up and hand it off when we're in scoring range" than a "carry us elite one" type QB. #gamemanager but used ironically? The copium you folks ingest is crazy. I'm going to give you folks a couple of redzone stat lines, you have to guess who is who
19/31 61.3% 110yds 3.5YPA 4TD 1 INT 0 Sacks 4 Rushes, 25 yards, 2 tds
12/23 52.2% 86yds 3.7YPA 4TD 1 INT 4 Sacks 5 rushes 10 yards, 0 tds
One is a journeymen backup on his 3rd team with 4 starts/7 games played so far. The other is "the franchise", and the best QB in the NFL to some of you. One was a 6th rounder, the other was picked 1st overall. Clearly, Trevor is the superior QB, I am not saying he isn't, but we can't pretend he's some super god tier QB when you are getting outplayed in the redzone by a journeymen backup on a 3 win team. For fun, this is what Burrow looks like inside the 20, who is having a rough start to the year due to injury.
27/37 73.0% 138yds 3.7YPA 9TD 1 INT 1 Sack 1 rush 3 yds 0 tds - 1 less game played btw.
There is no denying that Trevor is more or less just getting us close, and when we need a score the ball is out of his hands, I don't consider that elite, especially when your back has 7 tds vs 9 from your QB. Ouch.
LOL
Moving the goalposts to red zone struggles.
I'll bet you $100 Trevor ends up making this newly focused argument look stupid by this time next year.
(11-01-2023, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 11:32 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]This is getting out of hand... Trev is a good modern NFL QB but I would argue he is more of a "don't mess this up and hand it off when we're in scoring range" than a "carry us elite one" type QB. #gamemanager but used ironically? The copium you folks ingest is crazy. I'm going to give you folks a couple of redzone stat lines, you have to guess who is who
19/31 61.3% 110yds 3.5YPA 4TD 1 INT 0 Sacks 4 Rushes, 25 yards, 2 tds
12/23 52.2% 86yds 3.7YPA 4TD 1 INT 4 Sacks 5 rushes 10 yards, 0 tds
One is a journeymen backup on his 3rd team with 4 starts/7 games played so far. The other is "the franchise", and the best QB in the NFL to some of you. One was a 6th rounder, the other was picked 1st overall. Clearly, Trevor is the superior QB, I am not saying he isn't, but we can't pretend he's some super god tier QB when you are getting outplayed in the redzone by a journeymen backup on a 3 win team. For fun, this is what Burrow looks like inside the 20, who is having a rough start to the year due to injury.
27/37 73.0% 138yds 3.7YPA 9TD 1 INT 1 Sack 1 rush 3 yds 0 tds - 1 less game played btw.
There is no denying that Trevor is more or less just getting us close, and when we need a score the ball is out of his hands, I don't consider that elite, especially when your back has 7 tds vs 9 from your QB. Ouch.
LOL
Moving the goalposts to red zone struggles.
I'll bet you $100 Trevor ends up making this newly focused argument look stupid by this time next year.
Uh, what? One of my main arguments has always been good between the 20s and he struggles to show up in the redzone. It's why I don't see him as an elite passer. How can you claim I am moving the goal posts when you want to wait until next year requiring a "just you wait and see" to prove a point? Somehow I am the goal post mover here... k.
(11-01-2023, 11:50 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Moving the goalposts to red zone struggles.
I'll bet you $100 Trevor ends up making this newly focused argument look stupid by this time next year.
Uh, what? One of my main arguments has always been good between the 20s and he struggles to show up in the redzone. It's why I don't see him as an elite passer. How can you claim I am moving the goal posts when you want to wait until next year requiring a "just you wait and see" to prove a point? Somehow I am the goal post mover here... k.
Nah - you said he let's the run game carry the offense - and doesn't score enough touchdowns to be elite.
You weren't that specific.
BTW - his 3rd down efficiency and 23 completions beyond 20 yards this year makes the first half of that stance look pretty bad.
Whatever - Trevor isn't elite until you decide he is better in the red zone. Fine.
OK - I think there are LOTS of factors besides Lawrence that go into this team's RZ struggles, and I said by this time next year for two reasons:
1. I expect the external factors to be improved by then - and I think some of it will be part of an offseason process.
2. I expect Trevor to continue developing that aspect of his game like he has everything else and I don't get bogged down trying to label it some sort of weakness. Just seems like a really easy thing to improve upon given his skill set.
(11-01-2023, 11:50 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Moving the goalposts to red zone struggles.
I'll bet you $100 Trevor ends up making this newly focused argument look stupid by this time next year.
Uh, what? One of my main arguments has always been good between the 20s and he struggles to show up in the redzone. It's why I don't see him as an elite passer. How can you claim I am moving the goal posts when you want to wait until next year requiring a "just you wait and see" to prove a point? Somehow I am the goal post mover here... k.
What are you trying to do? A fan base is excited about a talented new qb that is better than any qb this franchise has had and arguably one of the best in the league and we have [BLEEP] bags like you trying to knock everyone down a notch for no real reason.
If you truely believe everyone is on a false high what the [BLEEP] do you get out of bringing it down? The team is 6-2 for the first time in decades and future is looking bright. But you can’t have that. Let’s knit pick any thing that supports some negative narrative that you believe everyone needs to here?
Get the [BLEEP] out of here that bull [BLEEP]
So the Red Zone offense has been trash for most of this year... It's frustrating to watch especially since it looked like we figured out how to be successful in the red zone at the end of last year...
But to say that Trevor Lawrence is the one to blame? Get the [BLEEP] outta here.
There's a lot of problems with our red zone offense right now. Trevor Lawrence isn't one of them.
Edit: By "a lot of problems" I mean a couple. The Red Zone issues we have will work themselves out. But again, it's not Trevor Lawrence that is at fault for why we are having problems once we get within the 30...
Personally? I blame Bigfoot.
(11-01-2023, 02:25 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]So the Red Zone offense has been trash for most of this year... It's frustrating to watch especially since it looked like we figured out how to be successful in the red zone at the end of last year...
But to say that Trevor Lawrence is the one to blame? Get the [BLEEP] outta here.
There's a lot of problems with our red zone offense right now. Trevor Lawrence isn't one of them.
Edit: By "a lot of problems" I mean a couple. The Red Zone issues we have will work themselves out. But again, it's not Trevor Lawrence that is at fault for why we are having problems once we get within the 30...
To be fair. On the one drive against Pit Trevor was completely at fault lol
(11-01-2023, 03:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Personally? I blame Bigfoot.
C’mon man. People are trying to have a serious debate here.
It’s obviously the Chinese.