(08-05-2023, 09:24 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 08:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]4 looks like Rodgers.
Not him. More recent QB.
Took me a while, but it's Luck. Nice comps though with Manning, Luck and Lawrence. Basically the last 3 draft declared "generational" qbs.
(08-05-2023, 04:16 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 02:50 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]In 3 playoff games (I’m counting TN) he had one excellent half of football.
One abysmal (historically bad)
Mediocre otherwise
That’s how he played when it mattered most.
50/105 (47.6%) 1td 2int
60/97 (61.8%) 1td 1 int
72/118 (61%) 6td 5int
77/140 (55%) 6td 8int
One of those stat lines is from Trevor's last three games this year (his playoffs games, as you put it).
You should already know which one since you're so focused on how bad his performance was in those games.
The other three stat lines are from three very famous QBs of the last twenty years first three playoffs games. Can you figure out which one is which QB?
I know Trevor is #3
And yes I know that other QBs have that turned out great didn’t necessarily light the world on fire as soon as they got to the playoffs.
The other 3 QBs you mentioned continued to get better and developed. I’ll also say they’re playing in different eras (except for luck really).. nowadays it’s much easier to get numbers than it was when Peyton was a young QB back in the late 90’s.
Hopefully he takes another step forward and I think he can and will. He’s got what it takes.
But he does have room for growth and he’ll need to improve to be considered a top 5 QB.
Some people here are putting him up there with Mahomes/Burrow already and that’s just absurd.
(08-05-2023, 11:08 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 04:16 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]50/105 (47.6%) 1td 2int
60/97 (61.8%) 1td 1 int
72/118 (61%) 6td 5int
77/140 (55%) 6td 8int
One of those stat lines is from Trevor's last three games this year (his playoffs games, as you put it).
You should already know which one since you're so focused on how bad his performance was in those games.
The other three stat lines are from three very famous QBs of the last twenty years first three playoffs games. Can you figure out which one is which QB?
I know Trevor is #3
And yes I know that other QBs have that turned out great didn’t necessarily light the world on fire as soon as they got to the playoffs.
The other 3 QBs you mentioned continued to get better and developed. I’ll also say they’re playing in different eras (except for luck really).. nowadays it’s much easier to get numbers than it was when Peyton was a young QB back in the late 90’s.
Hopefully he takes another step forward and I think he can and will. He’s got what it takes.
But he does have room for growth and he’ll need to improve to be considered a top 5 QB.
Some people here are putting him up there with Mahomes/Burrow already and that’s just absurd.
In reply to the bolded... is anyone actually doing that? If so, who? Cause I want to make fun of them.
Edit: I think what I find weird is that you are saying he's a top 10-12 QB. Can you really name even 5 QBs that you'd rather have over him in terms of skill?
(08-05-2023, 10:12 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 07:29 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Three are correct, but Aikman didn't play in the last twenty years.
Andrew Luck!
Right, the guy whose jock tons of people still can't stop huffing lost in the playoffs by at least 15 points every time he made it there and threw more ints than TDs in the playoffs over his career.
(08-05-2023, 10:13 PM)empty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 09:24 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Not him. More recent QB.
Took me a while, but it's Luck. Nice comps though with Manning, Luck and Lawrence. Basically the last 3 draft declared "generational" qbs.
Even the generational guys don't always look great when they're taking another great team, and playoffs games are usually against other great teams.
(08-05-2023, 11:08 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 04:16 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]50/105 (47.6%) 1td 2int
60/97 (61.8%) 1td 1 int
72/118 (61%) 6td 5int
77/140 (55%) 6td 8int
One of those stat lines is from Trevor's last three games this year (his playoffs games, as you put it).
You should already know which one since you're so focused on how bad his performance was in those games.
The other three stat lines are from three very famous QBs of the last twenty years first three playoffs games. Can you figure out which one is which QB?
I know Trevor is #3
And yes I know that other QBs have that turned out great didn’t necessarily light the world on fire as soon as they got to the playoffs.
The other 3 QBs you mentioned continued to get better and developed. I’ll also say they’re playing in different eras (except for luck really).. nowadays it’s much easier to get numbers than it was when Peyton was a young QB back in the late 90’s.
Hopefully he takes another step forward and I think he can and will. He’s got what it takes.
But he does have room for growth and he’ll need to improve to be considered a top 5 QB.
Some people here are putting him up there with Mahomes/Burrow already and that’s just absurd.
No one else in the NFL is in Mahomes' tier right now. Don't insult him by implying Burrow is right there with him. Burrow is a good QB, I'd put him in the Lawrence category of first contract QBs that have shown they belong. He's shown a lot, but he hasn't won multiple Superbowls and set multiple significant records like Mahomes has.
Mahommes is in a tier of his own.
Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence
(08-06-2023, 01:45 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Mahommes is in a tier of his own.
Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence
From an accomplishment standpoint, sure. From a talent standpoint the others are right with him though except maybe Herbert.
(08-06-2023, 01:21 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (08-05-2023, 11:08 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I know Trevor is #3
And yes I know that other QBs have that turned out great didn’t necessarily light the world on fire as soon as they got to the playoffs.
The other 3 QBs you mentioned continued to get better and developed. I’ll also say they’re playing in different eras (except for luck really).. nowadays it’s much easier to get numbers than it was when Peyton was a young QB back in the late 90’s.
Hopefully he takes another step forward and I think he can and will. He’s got what it takes.
But he does have room for growth and he’ll need to improve to be considered a top 5 QB.
Some people here are putting him up there with Mahomes/Burrow already and that’s just absurd.
In reply to the bolded... is anyone actually doing that? If so, who? Cause I want to make fun of them.
Edit: I think what I find weird is that you are saying he's a top 10-12 QB. Can you really name even 5 QBs that you'd rather have over him in terms of skill?
I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
(08-06-2023, 03:57 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 01:21 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]In reply to the bolded... is anyone actually doing that? If so, who? Cause I want to make fun of them.
Edit: I think what I find weird is that you are saying he's a top 10-12 QB. Can you really name even 5 QBs that you'd rather have over him in terms of skill?
I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
Lmao Herbert and cousins…you could have stopped there. Gtfo of here with that dumb [BLEEP]. Your takes are garbage
And yours are so well thought out and reasoned
(08-06-2023, 03:57 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 01:21 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]In reply to the bolded... is anyone actually doing that? If so, who? Cause I want to make fun of them.
Edit: I think what I find weird is that you are saying he's a top 10-12 QB. Can you really name even 5 QBs that you'd rather have over him in terms of skill?
I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
Good lord. Cousins?!
You can make an argument for Herbert or Hurts or Rodgers or Lamar over Trevor (I wouldn’t but I can see people make an argument for them) but Cousins?!
Can we get some specifics here as to why?
(08-06-2023, 03:57 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 01:21 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]In reply to the bolded... is anyone actually doing that? If so, who? Cause I want to make fun of them.
Edit: I think what I find weird is that you are saying he's a top 10-12 QB. Can you really name even 5 QBs that you'd rather have over him in terms of skill?
I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
Mahomes, Burrow, and possibly Herbert are the only ones that I would put higher than Lawrence right now.
You're telling me that you would rather have Hurts, Cousins, Rodgers, or Jackson right now over Trevor?
(08-06-2023, 03:57 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 01:21 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]In reply to the bolded... is anyone actually doing that? If so, who? Cause I want to make fun of them.
Edit: I think what I find weird is that you are saying he's a top 10-12 QB. Can you really name even 5 QBs that you'd rather have over him in terms of skill?
I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
You covered your basis here. I won't beat you up for this analysis. The comment about the arrow being up and down on some of these QB's and Lawrence being on the cusp of being within the same conversation as Mahomes and Burrows is a relatively fair take.
With that said. I would still take him over Cousins, Jackson, Herbert and even Rodgers right now.
The knock on Cousins is bad primetime performances. The knock on Jackson is durability, inconsistent passing and lackluster play off performances. The knock on Herbert, for me at least, is that, he's been knocked down by Lawrence twice now in one season.
As far as Rodgers. I think the odds are stacked against him in a loaded AFC conference where all the top tier QBs are currently playing or ascending. He was probably the top QB in the NFC. No disrespect to Hurts. However, in the AFC. He's barely in the top five conversation for me.
Darkhorses like Tagovaiola and Wilson should also be watched carefully if Tagovaiola can stay healthy and Wilson finds new life in Sean Payton's offense.
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(08-06-2023, 06:54 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-06-2023, 03:57 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t know what you mean by “in terms of skill”
But here is how I would rank the QBs: I’m looking at right now. Some of these guys have an arrow pointing down, some up.
1. Mahomes
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Jalen Hurts
Kirk Cousins
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
I think the above have all proven more and would be ranked a bit higher than Trevor.
Trevor is in that very next category but can fly tirade to be the 2nd or third best QB any given Sunday.
If he makes it more consistent (more than 3-4 times a year) he will be pushing for Mahomes.
It’s not a great group of QBs. Lots of the great ones are old or retired. If he makes a step forward he could be considered one of the elites for a very long time.
You covered your basis here. I won't beat you up for this analysis. The comment about the arrow being up and down on some of these QB's and Lawrence being on the cusp of being within the same conversation as Mahomes and Burrows is a relatively fair take.
With that said. I would still take him over Cousins, Jackson, Herbert and even Rodgers right now.
The knock on Cousins is bad primetime performances. The knock on Jackson is durability, inconsistent passing and lackluster play off performances. The knock on Herbert, for me at least, is that, he's been knocked down by Lawrence twice now in one season.
As far as Rodgers. I think the odds are stacked against him in a loaded AFC conference where all the top tier QBs are currently playing or ascending. He was probably the top QB in the NFC. No disrespect to Hurts. However, in the AFC. He's barely in the top five conversation for me.
Darkhorses like Tagovaiola and Wilson should also be watched carefully if Tagovaiola can stay healthy and Wilson finds new life in Sean Payton's offense.
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I think Wilson will definitely have a bounce year. Peyton is a hell of a coach and I think he can turn things around for him. However Wilson is lacking weapons. He has the skill set and is capable of performing at a high caliber but his support just isn’t there yet.
Tua imo is in the exact opposite position as far as skill set and support. If you swapped their situations I think Wilson would push the bills for the AFCE.
As far as the others you mentioned i think we are in agreement.
I'd say
1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Burrow
4. Allen
5. Lawrence
Id put Lawrence at 5 right now. Rodgers has won 2 MVPs in the last 3 season. No team had more injuries than the Packers especially on the oline. He also lost his Adams and had no TE. I could see the Jets winning that division and being in 2nd behind the Jags in the AFC