And he's only gonna get better.
(12-13-2022, 11:14 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 11:00 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]haha! yeah, I loved watching vrabel whine about it.
The call I hated the most was the one on Agnew's KR TD. There was no hold at all - the defender had his hand on the blocker's chest the whole time - blocker looked like he was reaching out to grab on, but never did. Horrible that they would steal that from Agnew... Felt so bad for the kid there. At least we drove it right down their throats and scored a TD anyway, but Agnew will never get that TD back.
I agree totally, but we wound up getting cosmic justice, because our subsequent touchdown drive took 7 minutes off the clock.
Oh, yes, that is a detail that was not lost on me. It was great to see the same score Agnew earned with nearly half the quarter drained to boot.
(12-12-2022, 03:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 03:29 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like we've tried a 34 look and it hasn't transitioned well and Allen and Walker both probably better as 43 ends?
Perhaps a move back toward 43 primary look next year?
Allen should be a 43 Sam. Walker should be a 43 RE.
(12-13-2022, 11:24 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 11:10 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Dude...
I don't know where you were when discussing that Denver INT in the end zone... But yeah, it's a lot nicer having this discussion, for sure.
It's just nice having a QB that can be Trevor Lawrence. He's just 100% normal, through and through. I'm sick of this "he's just keeping it real" nonsense. Lawrence isn't keeping it real, he's taking responsibility. And that's what we should be praising. A dude that sees things and then wonders how he could make it better. That's what a man does.
That's what Trevor Lawrence does. I hope he continues to be the man. The spot light next year can melt soft men. But it can also reflect the brilliance of real men. Time will tell. (See Brett Farvre versus Peyton Manning)
I was around lol trying my best to defend him while recognizing that was a god awful play lol
Watching him develop this year has been amazing. Going from "man he shows so much promise but still those mistakes" to "Trevor is the [BLEEP] man" has been wild and fun.
I have no doubt he'll handle the spot light like a champ and still be him day in and day out. I could only imagine what someone like Zach Wilson would do with a little bit of success in the regard. Trevor is Trevor and I don't think anything will change his approach to things. I mean just look how he handled Urban Meyer as a rookie.
Seriously... He's that kid that you will eventually watch become that guy, and then we can watch him become that man.
There were so many Bull [BLEEP] critiques of Lawrence. He's too soft. He has no dog in him. He doesn't really care about the game. He's lacksidasical. He's not accurate
Look at Trevor Lawrence. He's more than just a competitor. He's a team leader. He's a gun wielder. He's a Rolex wearing, god fearing, jet plane riding son of a gun! WHOOOOO!!!
He's the Nature Boy! You can't tell me otherwise. He's taking this team to places we haven't seen.
The fact that Dougie P said that the last touchdown was an adlib .... That they didn't know what he was doing but he did shows how bad a Man this kid is going to be
As for the criticisms of his "lack of fire" etc., People tend forget how important it is to be stoic and unmovable in this league. It's basically a new season every week. The most un-emotional men tend to have the most success at this level. At least that's what I believe.
(12-13-2022, 03:10 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]As for the criticisms of his "lack of fire" etc., People tend forget how important it is to be stoic and unmovable in this league. It's basically a new season every week. The most un-emotional men tend to have the most success at this level. At least that's what I believe.
I don't think he lacks any fire at all. It's just a matter of taking your lumps, understanding you're not going to win them all but you're certainly not going to lose them all. When he's on fire play wise his actual fire comes out of him. Rightfully so.
It's understandable. Nobody wants to hear [BLEEP] coming out of your mouth when you're the QB and not making enough plays. He was quiet his rookie year but you can see now how he truly is with quite a few big games, big time throws and the performances he's had this year.
Give him another year and a play off appearance and I bet he'll be more along the lines of an Aaron Rodgers. He'll be cool and calm in the media circus but on the field he's going to be giving guys the death stare after they [BLEEP] up or getting a lot more vocal with calls being missed, blown assignments, etc.
There's arrogance and then there's a quiet confidence. He has a quiet confidence and when the game gets big he's seeming to get big as well and make big plays. That's what you want to see out of a generational talent.
(12-13-2022, 03:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 03:10 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]As for the criticisms of his "lack of fire" etc., People tend forget how important it is to be stoic and unmovable in this league. It's basically a new season every week. The most un-emotional men tend to have the most success at this level. At least that's what I believe.
I don't think he lacks any fire at all. It's just a matter of taking your lumps, understanding you're not going to win them all but you're certainly not going to lose them all. When he's on fire play wise his actual fire comes out of him. Rightfully so.
It's understandable. Nobody wants to hear [BLEEP] coming out of your mouth when you're the QB and not making enough plays. He was quiet his rookie year but you can see now how he truly is with quite a few big games, big time throws and the performances he's had this year.
Give him another year and a play off appearance and I bet he'll be more along the lines of an Aaron Rodgers. He'll be cool and calm in the media circus but on the field he's going to be giving guys the death stare after they [BLEEP] up or getting a lot more vocal with calls being missed, blown assignments, etc.
There's arrogance and then there's a quiet confidence. He has a quiet confidence and when the game gets big he's seeming to get big as well and make big plays. That's what you want to see out of a generational talent.
Aaron's more diva than I would like to ever see out of Trevor, and frankly a bit of a dick sometimes. I'd prefer to never see Trevor calling out one of his guys publicly on the field like some of those guys do. It feels like it's more about making sure everyone on the planet knows something wasn't their fault as much as anything.
(12-13-2022, 06:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Here's an interesting article by PFF.
The Trevor Lawrence breakout is upon us, and it's here to stay
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-trevor-lawr...guars-2022
“He’s elevating the talent around him”
Boy if that’s not the most true statement about him. He’s making an average OLine look good. He’s taking average playmakers and making them look really good. That’s the true sign of an elite/franchise QB. Can you elevate the players around you to play better? And he certainly can.
(12-13-2022, 03:28 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 03:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think he lacks any fire at all. It's just a matter of taking your lumps, understanding you're not going to win them all but you're certainly not going to lose them all. When he's on fire play wise his actual fire comes out of him. Rightfully so.
It's understandable. Nobody wants to hear [BLEEP] coming out of your mouth when you're the QB and not making enough plays. He was quiet his rookie year but you can see now how he truly is with quite a few big games, big time throws and the performances he's had this year.
Give him another year and a play off appearance and I bet he'll be more along the lines of an Aaron Rodgers. He'll be cool and calm in the media circus but on the field he's going to be giving guys the death stare after they [BLEEP] up or getting a lot more vocal with calls being missed, blown assignments, etc.
There's arrogance and then there's a quiet confidence. He has a quiet confidence and when the game gets big he's seeming to get big as well and make big plays. That's what you want to see out of a generational talent.
Aaron's more diva than I would like to ever see out of Trevor, and frankly a bit of a dick sometimes. I'd prefer to never see Trevor calling out one of his guys publicly on the field like some of those guys do. It feels like it's more about making sure everyone on the planet knows something wasn't their fault as much as anything.
I would say a young Aaron Rodgers. Old man Aaron Rodgers is a dick. For sure.
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(12-13-2022, 09:39 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 06:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Here's an interesting article by PFF.
The Trevor Lawrence breakout is upon us, and it's here to stay
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-trevor-lawr...guars-2022
“He’s elevating the talent around him”
Boy if that’s not the most true statement about him. He’s making an average OLine look good. He’s taking average playmakers and making them look really good. That’s the true sign of an elite/franchise QB. Can you elevate the players around you to play better? And he certainly can.
I don't know that I'd even call the line as much as average, he's seriously making them look MUCH better than than they have been. Uche Nwaneri does youtube videos where he shows how bad our line play is.
https://youtube.com/@UcheNwaneri
He's not just making the receivers look better, either. Zay, Christian, and Engram are all having the best year of their career, and it's not a coincidence.
Did we feel this way after 2016 with Bortles? I can't remember. Looking back at the stats, the guy was ballin'. 35 tuddies and 4400 yards is a pretty good sophomore year.
(12-13-2022, 10:58 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Did we feel this way after 2016 with Bortles? I can't remember. Looking back at the stats, the guy was ballin'. 35 tuddies and 4400 yards is a pretty good sophomore year.
If you couldn't understand that Bortles and Lawrence aren't from the same planet by week five of 2021 you need to rethink everything you think you know about NFL quarterback play.
Many young players flash.
But not all flashes are created equal.
(12-13-2022, 11:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 10:58 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Did we feel this way after 2016 with Bortles? I can't remember. Looking back at the stats, the guy was ballin'. 35 tuddies and 4400 yards is a pretty good sophomore year.
If you couldn't understand that Bortles and Lawrence aren't from the same planet by week five of 2021 you need to rethink everything you think you know about NFL quarterback play.
Many young players flash.
But not all flashes are created equal.
I bet I can go back and search 2016 posts where you think Bortles was hot [BLEEP]
(12-13-2022, 11:07 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 11:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you couldn't understand that Bortles and Lawrence aren't from the same planet by week five of 2021 you need to rethink everything you think you know about NFL quarterback play.
Many young players flash.
But not all flashes are created equal.
I bet I can go back and search 2016 posts where you think Bortles was hot [BLEEP]
Please do.
Then we can contrast whatever wishful thinking i may have had about #5 to the different confidence I've had about #16.
He does [BLEEP] Bortles never dreamed of.
(12-13-2022, 10:58 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Did we feel this way after 2016 with Bortles? I can't remember. Looking back at the stats, the guy was ballin'. 35 tuddies and 4400 yards is a pretty good sophomore year.
It was that 3 game run in 2017 against the Colts, Texans and Seahawks (and the Steelers Divisional playoff win) that got Bortles that 2nd contract and fooled Mgmt into thinking he was the long term answer. Threw for 7 TDs 0 picks and averaged 300 yds during that 3 game stretch. That says a lot about how desperate we were to find even an above avg QB.
2016 bortles was alot of garbage time stats and TDS when we getting our [BLEEP] kicked.
2022 stats is Lawrence having us in every game but Detroit.
Bortles 2017 was good. We led league in offence drives that year and were really good in the red zone.
My tendency is to worry, and I do worry he may have an average game against the Cowboys stingy defense. We shall see