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(06-16-2023, 11:04 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]This [BLEEP] is still going on? Jesus.

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IMO all of this Trevor is elite talk is nice to hear but let’s just be realistic. The guy is going into his third year. He had a much improved season last year but let’s not pretend the beginning of last year wasn’t ugly. The Broncos game in London? First Texans game? There are a few examples. At this point in his career he’s probably had more bad games than good games or close to equal.

With that said I think if it weren’t for the fact that he was expected to become an elite QB and he was taken #1 overall adds to many labeling him the way they have. You don’t see many 9ers fans labeling Purdy as elite yet at equal points in their careers Purdy has been more successful, obviously his roster has been better, but regardless.

I guess my point is let’s just be cautiously optimistic. This upcoming season teams will have tape on a much improved Lawrence, I just hope that he can take that next step and become the consistent QB that we need.

(06-17-2023, 02:27 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote: [ -> ]IMO all of this Trevor is elite talk is nice to hear but let’s just be realistic. The guy is going into his third year. He had a much improved season last year but let’s not pretend the beginning of last year wasn’t ugly. The Broncos game in London? First Texans game? There are a few examples. At this point in his career he’s probably had more bad games than good games or close to equal.

With that said I think if it weren’t for the fact that he was expected to become an elite QB and he was taken #1 overall adds to many labeling him the way they have.  You don’t see many 9ers fans labeling Purdy as elite yet at equal points in their careers Purdy has been more successful, obviously his roster has been better, but regardless.

I guess my point is let’s just be cautiously optimistic. This upcoming season teams will have tape on a much improved Lawrence, I just hope that he can take that next step and become the consistent QB that we need.

Trevor Lawrence is your Mom's favorite QB. Just a friendly reminder on a very early Saturday morning.

He's going to be playing chess this year with presnap on offense. Regardless of film. He'll read it. He'll see it. He'll execute it.

Even if a defense guesses correctly? His arm talent is good enough to defy them.

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(06-17-2023, 02:27 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote: [ -> ]IMO all of this Trevor is elite talk is nice to hear but let’s just be realistic. The guy is going into his third year. He had a much improved season last year but let’s not pretend the beginning of last year wasn’t ugly. The Broncos game in London? First Texans game? There are a few examples. At this point in his career he’s probably had more bad games than good games or close to equal.

With that said I think if it weren’t for the fact that he was expected to become an elite QB and he was taken #1 overall adds to many labeling him the way they have.  You don’t see many 9ers fans labeling Purdy as elite yet at equal points in their careers Purdy has been more successful, obviously his roster has been better, but regardless.

I guess my point is let’s just be cautiously optimistic. This upcoming season teams will have tape on a much improved Lawrence, I just hope that he can take that next step and become the consistent QB that we need.

Being cautiously optimistic is very characteristic of me.  I almost always temper my optimism with a strong dose of caution.  

But at this point, I am throwing caution to the wind.  I've seen enough of a trend to say, Trevor is going to be a top-5 QB at minimum.  There were so many elite-level throws and plays and leadership in the last half of last season, this is not Blake Bortles out there.  This is the real Trevor Lawrence.

(06-17-2023, 05:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 02:27 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote: [ -> ]IMO all of this Trevor is elite talk is nice to hear but let’s just be realistic. The guy is going into his third year. He had a much improved season last year but let’s not pretend the beginning of last year wasn’t ugly. The Broncos game in London? First Texans game? There are a few examples. At this point in his career he’s probably had more bad games than good games or close to equal.

With that said I think if it weren’t for the fact that he was expected to become an elite QB and he was taken #1 overall adds to many labeling him the way they have.  You don’t see many 9ers fans labeling Purdy as elite yet at equal points in their careers Purdy has been more successful, obviously his roster has been better, but regardless.

I guess my point is let’s just be cautiously optimistic. This upcoming season teams will have tape on a much improved Lawrence, I just hope that he can take that next step and become the consistent QB that we need.

Being cautiously optimistic is very characteristic of me.  I almost always temper my optimism with a strong dose of caution.  

But at this point, I am throwing caution to the wind.  I've seen enough of a trend to say, Trevor is going to be a top-5 QB at minimum.  There were so many elite-level throws and plays and leadership in the last half of last season, this is not Blake Bortles out there.  This is the real Trevor Lawrence.

Last year was the first year he played in an offense that plays to his strengths and really opens up the field. 

Clemson ran an absolutely boring offense that did Trevor no favors and he still killed it.

Urban was having Trevor make reads that had HORRIBLE progressions. And he was throwing to turds almost the whole year.

Now, year 2 in Pedersons offense, with Ridley and crew?! Come on now. Get ready.

(06-17-2023, 07:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 05:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Being cautiously optimistic is very characteristic of me.  I almost always temper my optimism with a strong dose of caution.  

But at this point, I am throwing caution to the wind.  I've seen enough of a trend to say, Trevor is going to be a top-5 QB at minimum.  There were so many elite-level throws and plays and leadership in the last half of last season, this is not Blake Bortles out there.  This is the real Trevor Lawrence.

Last year was the first year he played in an offense that plays to his strengths and really opens up the field. 

Clemson ran an absolutely boring offense that did Trevor no favors and he still killed it.

Urban was having Trevor make reads that had HORRIBLE progressions. And he was throwing to turds almost the whole year.

Now, year 2 in Pedersons offense, with Ridley and crew?! Come on now. Get ready.

I'M ALREADY READY!!

(06-17-2023, 05:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 02:27 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote: [ -> ]IMO all of this Trevor is elite talk is nice to hear but let’s just be realistic. The guy is going into his third year. He had a much improved season last year but let’s not pretend the beginning of last year wasn’t ugly. The Broncos game in London? First Texans game? There are a few examples. At this point in his career he’s probably had more bad games than good games or close to equal.

With that said I think if it weren’t for the fact that he was expected to become an elite QB and he was taken #1 overall adds to many labeling him the way they have.  You don’t see many 9ers fans labeling Purdy as elite yet at equal points in their careers Purdy has been more successful, obviously his roster has been better, but regardless.

I guess my point is let’s just be cautiously optimistic. This upcoming season teams will have tape on a much improved Lawrence, I just hope that he can take that next step and become the consistent QB that we need.

Being cautiously optimistic is very characteristic of me.  I almost always temper my optimism with a strong dose of caution.  

But at this point, I am throwing caution to the wind.  I've seen enough of a trend to say, Trevor is going to be a top-5 QB at minimum.  There were so many elite-level throws and plays and leadership in the last half of last season, this is not Blake Bortles out there.  This is the real Trevor Lawrence.

45 pages in and can anyone define "Franchise QB"?  The Jaguars are a franchise and Trevor is our QB, does that, by definition make him a "Franchise QB"?

Have we seen elite-level throws?  Yes.  Have we also seen occasional Bortles-esque decisions he needs to eliminate?  Yes.

Based on his play to date, he's good, but absolutely not elite yet.  He has all the physical skills to get there, and the coaching is in place.  I think he's smart enough and dedicated enough to correct the mental mistakes.  Hopefully, this is the year he crosses the threshold.

(06-17-2023, 08:50 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 05:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Being cautiously optimistic is very characteristic of me.  I almost always temper my optimism with a strong dose of caution.  

But at this point, I am throwing caution to the wind.  I've seen enough of a trend to say, Trevor is going to be a top-5 QB at minimum.  There were so many elite-level throws and plays and leadership in the last half of last season, this is not Blake Bortles out there.  This is the real Trevor Lawrence.

45 pages in and can anyone define "Franchise QB"?  The Jaguars are a franchise and Trevor is our QB, does that, by definition make him a "Franchise QB"?

Have we seen elite-level throws?  Yes.  Have we also seen occasional Bortles-esque decisions he needs to eliminate?  Yes.

Based on his play to date, he's good, but absolutely not elite yet.  He has all the physical skills to get there, and the coaching is in place.  I think he's smart enough and dedicated enough to correct the mental mistakes.  Hopefully, this is the year he crosses the threshold.

I have yet to see any Bortles esque anything from Trevor.
Has he made some poor decisions and have some accuracy issues? Sure but lots of young QBs do....

If you still need convincing on Trevor Lawrence, I'm not really sure what to say.
He IS a franchise QB. He has elite talent. 
Not many QBs are labeled "elite" after year 2 so.....

(06-17-2023, 08:50 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 05:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Being cautiously optimistic is very characteristic of me.  I almost always temper my optimism with a strong dose of caution.  

But at this point, I am throwing caution to the wind.  I've seen enough of a trend to say, Trevor is going to be a top-5 QB at minimum.  There were so many elite-level throws and plays and leadership in the last half of last season, this is not Blake Bortles out there.  This is the real Trevor Lawrence.

45 pages in and can anyone define "Franchise QB"?  The Jaguars are a franchise and Trevor is our QB, does that, by definition make him a "Franchise QB"?

Have we seen elite-level throws?  Yes.  Have we also seen occasional Bortles-esque decisions he needs to eliminate?  Yes.

Based on his play to date, he's good, but absolutely not elite yet.  He has all the physical skills to get there, and the coaching is in place.  I think he's smart enough and dedicated enough to correct the mental mistakes.  Hopefully, this is the year he crosses the threshold.

Franchise QB means the team is expected to keep them for the rest of their careers, that the team is expected to go to the playoffs more often than not, and that the team will be identified with the QB.
Since week 9 of last season, Trevor Lawrence has been a franchise QB.

(06-17-2023, 08:50 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 05:20 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Being cautiously optimistic is very characteristic of me.  I almost always temper my optimism with a strong dose of caution.  

But at this point, I am throwing caution to the wind.  I've seen enough of a trend to say, Trevor is going to be a top-5 QB at minimum.  There were so many elite-level throws and plays and leadership in the last half of last season, this is not Blake Bortles out there.  This is the real Trevor Lawrence.

45 pages in and can anyone define "Franchise QB"?  The Jaguars are a franchise and Trevor is our QB, does that, by definition make him a "Franchise QB"?

Have we seen elite-level throws?  Yes.  Have we also seen occasional Bortles-esque decisions he needs to eliminate?  Yes.

Based on his play to date, he's good, but absolutely not elite yet.  He has all the physical skills to get there, and the coaching is in place.  I think he's smart enough and dedicated enough to correct the mental mistakes.  Hopefully, this is the year he crosses the threshold.

The simplest definition of franchise QB, to me, is that most NFL teams would trade their QB for him without hesitation.

Is the without hesitation part that's critical. If most GMs have to be talked into making the move then a team doesn't really have a franchise QB.

Elite is another level, Trevor's in the conversation for elite, now. If he picks up where he left off in the last half of 2022 this year statistically (30+ TD, single digit interceptions) and lifts the team to more wins they don't seem like they should get (Ravens, raiders, cowboys, and chargers playoffs are examples of the kind of win I'm talking about) then there will be broad recognition of being elite by the end of this season.

(06-17-2023, 10:19 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 08:50 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]45 pages in and can anyone define "Franchise QB"?  The Jaguars are a franchise and Trevor is our QB, does that, by definition make him a "Franchise QB"?

Have we seen elite-level throws?  Yes.  Have we also seen occasional Bortles-esque decisions he needs to eliminate?  Yes.

Based on his play to date, he's good, but absolutely not elite yet.  He has all the physical skills to get there, and the coaching is in place.  I think he's smart enough and dedicated enough to correct the mental mistakes.  Hopefully, this is the year he crosses the threshold.

The simplest definition of franchise QB, to me, is that most NFL teams would trade their QB for him without hesitation.

Is the without hesitation part that's critical. If most GMs have to be talked into making the move then a team doesn't really have a franchise QB.

Elite is another level, Trevor's in the conversation for elite, now. If he picks up where he left off in the last half of 2022 this year statistically (30+ TD, single digit interceptions) and lifts the team to more wins they don't seem like they should get (Ravens, raiders, cowboys, and chargers playoffs are examples of the kind of win I'm talking about) then there will be broad recognition of being elite by the end of this season.

That's not a bad definition.  It's more mathematical.  Roughly half the starters in the league would be franchise QBs by that definition.  Not as exclusive of a group.

(06-17-2023, 10:33 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 10:19 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The simplest definition of franchise QB, to me, is that most NFL teams would trade their QB for him without hesitation.

Is the without hesitation part that's critical. If most GMs have to be talked into making the move then a team doesn't really have a franchise QB.

Elite is another level, Trevor's in the conversation for elite, now. If he picks up where he left off in the last half of 2022 this year statistically (30+ TD, single digit interceptions) and lifts the team to more wins they don't seem like they should get (Ravens, raiders, cowboys, and chargers playoffs are examples of the kind of win I'm talking about) then there will be broad recognition of being elite by the end of this season.

That's not a bad definition.  It's more mathematical.  Roughly half the starters in the league would be franchise QBs by that definition.  Not as exclusive of a group.

Roughly half if there's a strong and obvious difference between the halves.

Tannehill has been a 12-15 type of QB in tennessee. Do you think the gm of the team with the 17th best QB would trade their guy for him without hesitation? It's hard to say. Who is the 17th best qb? Winston? Garoppolo? Would most GMs trade their guy for him, contract and all, without hesitation?

Most likely the will be some disagreement around guys in the 10-16 range, and you won't have the other 16-22 teams thinking they would make the move without hesitation.

Franchise QB, by my definition means a guy is clearly and roundly recognized as well above the middle of the road mark as a starter.

(06-17-2023, 09:32 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 08:50 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]45 pages in and can anyone define "Franchise QB"?  The Jaguars are a franchise and Trevor is our QB, does that, by definition make him a "Franchise QB"?

Have we seen elite-level throws?  Yes.  Have we also seen occasional Bortles-esque decisions he needs to eliminate?  Yes.

Based on his play to date, he's good, but absolutely not elite yet.  He has all the physical skills to get there, and the coaching is in place.  I think he's smart enough and dedicated enough to correct the mental mistakes.  Hopefully, this is the year he crosses the threshold.

I have yet to see any Bortles esque anything from Trevor.
Has he made some poor decisions and have some accuracy issues? Sure but lots of young QBs do....

If you still need convincing on Trevor Lawrence, I'm not really sure what to say.
He IS a franchise QB. He has elite talent. 
Not many QBs are labeled "elite" after year 2 so.....

There's no doubt that he's our "franchise QB" (That was a rhetorical question btw) and hopefully will be for many years to come.  I already said he has all the skills, why do you think I need "convincing"?

He has elite talent, but here's a difference between talent and performance and he has yet to perform at a consistently elite level.  The occasional poor decisions and accuracy issues you mentioned are what's kept him in the good range.  He made great progress last year, and if he continues to improve, he'll get there, but I don't think many outside of Jacksonville would label him "elite" quite yet.

(06-17-2023, 11:10 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 09:32 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I have yet to see any Bortles esque anything from Trevor.
Has he made some poor decisions and have some accuracy issues? Sure but lots of young QBs do....

If you still need convincing on Trevor Lawrence, I'm not really sure what to say.
He IS a franchise QB. He has elite talent. 
Not many QBs are labeled "elite" after year 2 so.....

There's no doubt that he's our "franchise QB" (That was a rhetorical question btw) and hopefully will be for many years to come.  I already said he has all the skills, why do you think I need "convincing"?

He has elite talent, but here's a difference between talent and performance and he has yet to perform at a consistently elite level.  The occasional poor decisions and accuracy issues you mentioned are what's kept him in the good range.  He made great progress last year, and if he continues to improve, he'll get there, but I don't think many outside of Jacksonville would label him "elite" quite yet.

I'm looking at the last 9 games of last season, when he had 2,200 yards, 70% completions, 15 TDs, 2 Ints, 7 wins and 2 losses.  

Granted, that first half against the Chargers was not pretty, but on the other hand have you ever seen a QB dig himself that deep a hole and then climb out of it and win the game?  

Remember how we used to ask, will Trevor ever be able to put the team on his back and win a game in the 4th quarter?  And then he did just that, over and over and over, against some very good teams.    

I've seen enough to convince me.

He improved a lot last year and imo he was playing near elite and the end of the season. I expect him to improve even more in his 2nd year in the same offense with one of the best offensive coaches in the league.

(06-17-2023, 02:27 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote: [ -> ]IMO all of this Trevor is elite talk is nice to hear but let’s just be realistic. The guy is going into his third year. He had a much improved season last year but let’s not pretend the beginning of last year wasn’t ugly. The Broncos game in London? First Texans game? There are a few examples. At this point in his career he’s probably had more bad games than good games or close to equal.

With that said I think if it weren’t for the fact that he was expected to become an elite QB and he was taken #1 overall adds to many labeling him the way they have.  You don’t see many 9ers fans labeling Purdy as elite yet at equal points in their careers Purdy has been more successful, obviously his roster has been better, but regardless.

I guess my point is let’s just be cautiously optimistic. This upcoming season teams will have tape on a much improved Lawrence, I just hope that he can take that next step and become the consistent QB that we need.

You wanting to pump the brakes on Lawrence is understandable.

But even with the bad start you cite above, he still closed the season with a better than 3-1 TD-INT ratio and finished the regular season with <10 INTs.

This is his second year in the offense, and he has more weapons at his disposal with the addition of Ridley.

He's still a young QB and will make his share of mistakes.  No regularly starting QB has gone an entire year without throwing an INT.  But there are still reasons for optimism.  He has a talented supporting cast, including good RBs, receivers and blockers.  Equally important, he has excellent offensive coaches.

(06-16-2023, 03:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-16-2023, 03:19 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]My words yes, but what did they mean?

According to you: I claimed he was a bust, had no faith in him ever becoming good, and just hate Trevor Lawrence.

According to me, and anyone who can read: We were in a thread talking about how we felt about the upcoming season and yes, I had no faith in our team for 2022 and Trevor did us no favors in that regard because he was horrendus in 2021, regardless of the reasoning.. You all can blame Urban, the WRs, the O line.. whatever it is.. but the fact is he played piss poor football that year and it left no hope for the following season.

Let's take a look at why his performance didn't exactly give me a raging boner for the upcoming season shall we.

Interception #1 Rolls out of the pocket, throws on the run and throws the ball so high over the WRs head that he couldn't get close to it even jumping. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence but you can dispute if you like.

Interception #2 He stood in the pocket, fired the ball towards the sideline WR who not only had a DB right ontop of him, but happened to have one directly infront of him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence, and no dispute is to be had on this one, it was awful

Interception #3 In fairness to Trevor, the pocket was collapsing.. however the throw was absurdly bad, he threw it to two texans defenders whilst also having a wide open WR had he thrown it further
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I mean i'll be fair and say it was caused by pressure, tho he shouldn't have forced this.. 

Interception #4 Nice pocket awareness and foot work, stepped up and fired an extremely late pass on an out route, that's a no no in the NFL but it's something he did often in college.. only difference is in college you can get away with it sometimes.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence 100%, but this I will attribute to him being a rookie who just hadn't learned yet.

Interception #5 Deep pass down the sideline, this is the first int of his rookie season where I wont complain too much. Low effort by the WR, the pass was underthrown for sure tho
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevors, it was 1st down and the WR was blanketed, no need for that deep shot. 

Interception #6 This one was 1000% the fault of the receiver, bounced off his hands
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Not Trevor

Interception #6 The infamous flea flicker, where Trevor decided to throw a slow lofting pass to the check down, it was ugly.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor made a really stupid decision, but I'll put the blame on Urban for calling a flea flicker, dumb play considering we have no burners at WR

Interception #7 This was awful, however I wont blame him because time was running out in the half and it appeared nobody was open
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I'm not gonna blame him for this one, but he definitely could have given one of the WRs a better chance at the ball his placement was horrible.

Interception #8 This was awful, he had 2 defenders trailing his WR by 3-5 yards and somehow underthrew it so bad that the defenders behind his intended WR had to slow down/stop to pick the ball off
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor 

Interception #9 Bad pass into double coverage, not much else to say. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor.

Interception #10 This one was controversial at the time, because watching this play in live-time it appears that the WR let the ball bounce off his hands, and get tip-drill picked off behind him. However if you watch this from another angle, the WR had a slight step on the defender and Lawrence simply threw it behind him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #11 Threw it directly to the LBer standing infront of him, it was just bad
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #12 Yet another example of him being dreadfully terrible when he rolls out to his left to throw, undershot the WR
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #13 Another pass thrown directly to the defender, WR had 0 chance to grab the ball. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #14 Bounced off the WRs hands, could have thrown the ball to be more catchable but I wont blame him for this one
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Butter finger runningback

Interception #15 Another throw directly to the defense, dude was triple covered.. dumb decision
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #16 ANOTHER throw directly to a linebacker starring him in the face, the WR was behind him this throw should never be made unless the QB is blind.

This will be my last time responding to this argument but the bolded is the biggest reason for me that you catch flack.

Yes. Trevor didn't play well in his rookie year. Is anyone denying that? No. Not really. But there was certainly hope when you actually watch how he was reading the field. How he was processing plays. How he showed up time and time again to keep that locker room together when the ADULTS IN THE ROOM were absolute babies. He had to hold this franchise together as a rookie because the HC was THE WORST COACH OF ALL TIME. That's not even an exaggeration. 

With Trevor, there was always hope. Maybe you felt there was no hope and that you were vindicated by your pre-draft assessment but the rest of us, who look at the game through more than stat lines, saw hope. And it's clear now, who was right.

Words are being miscontriued sir, I'll try and be respectful and explain what I mean. 

Did I bash him for his performance his rookie season? Absolutely. Why? Because he made the same mistakes I watched him make at Clemson, not generalizations like "Oh he threw an inaccurate pass" but very specific patterns of issues. I'm not going to list all of them for the 400th time but for example, in Clemson he loved to roll out to his left and throw off balance, even when most of the time he had no need to even move from the pocket. He had a bad tendency to fly passes over his WRs heads when doing so, he also had an issue with high passes in general but specificly during his roll outs to the left, and we saw him throw multiple picks as a jaguar doing the same thing. 

With that being said, Yes having Urban Fired as his coach did him no favors, yes he had an awful supporting cast, and yes he was a rookie still learning. I did not say I have no faith in him as a player to ever be good, the thread these clowns continously quote me from was about the 2022 upcoming season at the time, to which I didn't see anything in 2021 that made me think "wow hes gonna be special this year" nor did I think the team in general instilled much confidence for that specific year. My initial argument was that the hype/comparisions of him and Luck or Manning were absurd because both Luck and Manning have very little flaws in their game if any coming out the draft while Trevor, if you actually paid any attention to his games past highlight videos absolutely did. I said on record that I'd compare him as a prospect more to Justin Herbert or Deshaun Watson than Manning or Luck, and I think that holds true to this day. 

The issue with this entire conversation is the mods decided that I called him a bust or had no faith in him to ever succeed but this is just not true, theres a difference in saying he will never be good, and saying he will never be as great as he's being hyped to be if he can't fix problems x-y-z. 


My pre draft assessment wasn't that he wasn't worthy of the #1 pick, I said on this board I would take him.. look at my thread history, I made a thread when we took him.. I said I was cautiously optimistic.. I didn't say I wanted to burn my jaguar jerserys because we drafted a bum. I was more aware of the talent he possesed than likely 99% of the people on this board, but I was also aware of his glaring weaknesses. When he threw a 1 yard int on the goal line two weeks in a row for example, most of you probably were scratching your head.. for me I wasn't surprised because I've seen him do this A LOT at Clemson. He was the kind of guy who would throw a 50 yard dime on 3rd and long, then throw a 3 yard int on 1st down to a linebacker directly infront of him. He was like Jekyl and hyde in college, tho he got bailed out plenty by having guys like Tee Higgins who were being covered by guys who probably sell insurance now. 


Anyway, rant over. The poster of this board that seemed to copy my analysis of Trevor Lawrence word for word for awhile but then also give the opinion out that he was a bust was JaguarMVP and that aussie guy. And i'm 100% certain that whenever this "beef" started, that's what happened. Because lets not forget.. the mods claimed I was ozjohnny at one point, only to retract it later.

(06-17-2023, 03:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 02:27 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote: [ -> ]IMO all of this Trevor is elite talk is nice to hear but let’s just be realistic. The guy is going into his third year. He had a much improved season last year but let’s not pretend the beginning of last year wasn’t ugly. The Broncos game in London? First Texans game? There are a few examples. At this point in his career he’s probably had more bad games than good games or close to equal.

With that said I think if it weren’t for the fact that he was expected to become an elite QB and he was taken #1 overall adds to many labeling him the way they have.  You don’t see many 9ers fans labeling Purdy as elite yet at equal points in their careers Purdy has been more successful, obviously his roster has been better, but regardless.

I guess my point is let’s just be cautiously optimistic. This upcoming season teams will have tape on a much improved Lawrence, I just hope that he can take that next step and become the consistent QB that we need.

You wanting to pump the brakes on Lawrence is understandable.

But even with the bad start you cite above, he still closed the season with a better than 3-1 TD-INT ratio and finished the regular season with <10 INTs.

This is his second year in the offense, and he has more weapons at his disposal with the addition of Ridley.

He's still a young QB and will make his share of mistakes.  No regularly starting QB has gone an entire year without throwing an INT.  But there are still reasons for optimism.  He has a talented supporting cast, including good RBs, receivers and blockers.  Equally important, he has excellent offensive coaches.

Trevor Lawrence is NOT an elite QB (Right now)
He absolutely played great from weeks 9 to 18 last season, the prior weeks he had 10 tds 6 ints and 6 fumbles. however. He was NOT good to start the year at all. 
This is his second year in the offense and you're absolutely right with that combined with the addition of Ridley he absolutely SHOULD improve, but he also NEEDS to improve.. I've said it over and over again how impressed I was with his second half of the last season, but he needs to still be better than that.. and for a full season. 25 TD passes a year is pittiful in a now 17 game season. Good QBs are throwing at least 2 tds a game, averaging like 1.4/game is not ideal. However I will give him mega props on dropping the interceptions down to 8, that was great to see. 

I agree he's still young, and will make mistakes but at least he finally showed us what he can become in time at the end of this past season, and let's just hope his trajectory remains upwards.

(06-18-2023, 02:23 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2023, 03:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You wanting to pump the brakes on Lawrence is understandable.

But even with the bad start you cite above, he still closed the season with a better than 3-1 TD-INT ratio and finished the regular season with <10 INTs.

This is his second year in the offense, and he has more weapons at his disposal with the addition of Ridley.

He's still a young QB and will make his share of mistakes.  No regularly starting QB has gone an entire year without throwing an INT.  But there are still reasons for optimism.  He has a talented supporting cast, including good RBs, receivers and blockers.  Equally important, he has excellent offensive coaches.

Trevor Lawrence is NOT an elite QB (Right now)
He absolutely played great from weeks 9 to 18 last season, the prior weeks he had 10 tds 6 ints and 6 fumbles. however. He was NOT good to start the year at all. 
This is his second year in the offense and you're absolutely right with that combined with the addition of Ridley he absolutely SHOULD improve, but he also NEEDS to improve.. I've said it over and over again how impressed I was with his second half of the last season, but he needs to still be better than that.. and for a full season. 25 TD passes a year is pittiful in a now 17 game season. Good QBs are throwing at least 2 tds a game, averaging like 1.4/game is not ideal. However I will give him mega props on dropping the interceptions down to 8, that was great to see. 

I agree he's still young, and will make mistakes but at least he finally showed us what he can become in time at the end of this past season, and let's just hope his trajectory remains upwards.

You have the worst takes.