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(01-16-2024, 02:11 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/gus_logue/status/174...0sTdg&s=19

https://twitter.com/PFF_Anthony/status/1...lQgLQ&s=19

Our offensive philosophy has to change. Power running, play action, deep passes down the middle, create open space pre-snap is what we need to move toward.

all I ask is to be more diligent and purposeful in calling power and under center plays

i thought their production from heavy sets was good, I was hoping they would implement concepts off those heavy set
Heres to hoping they add more under center plays during the offseason

(01-16-2024, 02:10 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 02:08 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]And its gonna be homer fans like you doing a pathetic job protecting your posterboy with horrible arguments

You mean the advanced metrics that show he's actually a damn good QB hampered by a piss poor OL and everything else that went wrong this year?

Yes if your one of those homers that ignore the fact that QBs responsibility is to make the oline work better and it isnt just about having talent at that position, look at Rodgers OLs or even Strouds OL all those guys were 4th, 5th rd type of players, are you telling me that they are not the product of good QB play?

(01-16-2024, 02:02 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 12:05 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]That's fine, I was never a huge Hurts guy myself. Was just grabbing some of what most people consider the "top" QBs

CJB would take JHurts in a heartbeat over TLaw.  He would prefer Flacco as well.  LOL

Lol honestly I probably would take Hurts, but not really because I think he's a great QB I just think his play style would work well with what we have. 

Flacco is the goat don't disrespect that man.

(01-16-2024, 02:28 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 02:10 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]You mean the advanced metrics that show he's actually a damn good QB hampered by a piss poor OL and everything else that went wrong this year?

Yes if your one of those homers that ignore the fact that QBs responsibility is to make the oline work better and it isnt just about having talent at that position, look at Rodgers OLs or even Strouds OL all those guys were 4th, 5th rd type of players, are you telling me that they are not the product of good QB play?

The tinhorns ended up with the 4th highest pass blocking efficiency in the League this year. You can call the players trash all you want, they played very good as a unit after the shakey start. Mid-round picks are where most good linemen come from, so it's not all that surprising to people who watch the NFL regularly.

(01-16-2024, 03:35 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 02:28 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]Yes if your one of those homers that ignore the fact that QBs responsibility is to make the oline work better and it isnt just about having talent at that position, look at Rodgers OLs or even Strouds OL all those guys were 4th, 5th rd type of players, are you telling me that they are not the product of good QB play?

The tinhorns ended up with the 4th highest pass blocking efficiency in the League this year. You can call the players trash all you want, they played very good as a unit after the shakey start. Mid-round picks are where most good linemen come from, so it's not all that surprising to people who watch the NFL regularly.

And what rounds were our oline players?

(01-16-2024, 03:43 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2024/1/16/...023-season

It's something most fans have been saying and seeing since he's been here. There's about four to five guys in total out of fifty-three, out there playing hero ball and trying to drag this team into victories. 

Lawrence and Etienne on offense.
Allen, Walker and Oluokon on defense. 

I mentioned his passer rating stuff last week. He basically has to play perfect, meaning, his QBR cannot dip no lower than 90.0+ or this team [BLEEP] falls off a cliff because they cannot make up for it anywhere else. They can't make it back up on the ground, they can't afford any blown coverages on defense, they can't afford any missed FG's or gambles being lost on 4th downs. They can't afford dropped passes, fumbles, etc. 

He gave this team a 125+ passer rating on MNF, against the Bengals. Easily his best overall performance on the season. What was he rewarded with? An ankle injury by his own struggling LT and a defense that allowed Browning a [BLEEP] passer rating of 115+, a completion percentage of nearly 90%, a pair of passing TD's and a rushing TD. 

Yet, again, as cited in another post or thread. It's all Lawrence's fault. In spite of all the [BLEEP] going south around him. Including his own body. Literally, the kid had injuries everywhere throughout the season. Knee, ankle, throwing shoulder, the concussion. This team let him down and yet, he also let the team down. It's a weird dynamic but that's how it goes.

(01-16-2024, 03:40 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 03:35 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The tinhorns ended up with the 4th highest pass blocking efficiency in the League this year. You can call the players trash all you want, they played very good as a unit after the shakey start. Mid-round picks are where most good linemen come from, so it's not all that surprising to people who watch the NFL regularly.

And what rounds were our oline players?

(2,2), (4,UDFA,2,2), 3, 1, 1

Tell me if you see the problem...

(01-16-2024, 04:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 03:40 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]And what rounds were our oline players?

(2,2), (4,UDFA,2,2), 3, 1, 1

Tell me if you see the problem...

So we used two second rounders, third, ones and somehow it was the oline that was at fault and it had nothing to do with QB play? Okay bud keep telling yourself that. 

The same line that was rank 10th in the NFL in offensive yardage in 2022  and 10th in scoring. Scherff, a five-time Pro Bowl selection.  Fortner, a third-round selection in the 2022 NFL Draft, but yes it was our oline that didnt have talent buhahahahahahaahha

(01-16-2024, 04:53 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 04:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ](2,2), (4,UDFA,2,2), 3, 1, 1

Tell me if you see the problem...

So we used two second rounders, third, ones and somehow it was the oline that was at fault and it had nothing to do with QB play? Okay bud keep telling yourself that. 

The same line that was rank 10th in the NFL in offensive yardage in 2022  and 10th in scoring. Scherff, a five-time Pro Bowl selection.  Fortner, a third-round selection in the 2022 NFL Draft, but yes it was our oline that didnt have talent buhahahahahahaahha

[BLEEP] me dead. You're dense. The problem is the failure in evaluations. Just because you invest a pick in something doesn't mean you nailed it buddy. Have you ever played the lottery?

"So I spent $20 last week, $20 the previous week, $40 last month, used the money SKM's Mom gave me which is a wash, it's free money, $50 is worth the trouble, another $20 the month prior, in addition to the $20 that SKM's Mom gave me for our anniversary, followed by $50 the previous month, damn, but all I have to show for it is maybe $10 in lucky scratch off's". 

We didn't hit the lottery. It's the same song and dance for most teams. Detroit would be a better example for what you're trying to aim for in your nonsensical post. 

Detroit invested a top 10 pick at LT, won the lottery.
Detroit invested a pair of top 20 picks at RT and C. They won the lottery twice. 
Detroit invested a pair of 3rd RD picks. Also got some good scratch off cash back there for those rounds. Essentially winning a nice lottery.

(01-16-2024, 05:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 04:53 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]So we used two second rounders, third, ones and somehow it was the oline that was at fault and it had nothing to do with QB play? Okay bud keep telling yourself that. 

The same line that was rank 10th in the NFL in offensive yardage in 2022  and 10th in scoring. Scherff, a five-time Pro Bowl selection.  Fortner, a third-round selection in the 2022 NFL Draft, but yes it was our oline that didnt have talent buhahahahahahaahha

[BLEEP] me dead. You're dense. The problem is the failure in evaluations. Just because you invest a pick in something doesn't mean you nailed it buddy. Have you ever played the lottery?

"So I spent $20 last week, $20 the previous week, $40 last month, used the money SKM's Mom gave me which is a wash, it's free money, $50 is worth the trouble, another $20 the month prior, in addition to the $20 that SKM's Mom gave me for our anniversary, followed by $50 the previous month, damn, but all I have to show for it is maybe $10 in lucky scratch off's". 

We didn't hit the lottery. It's the same song and dance for most teams. Detroit would be a better example for what you're trying to aim for in your nonsensical post. 

Detroit invested a top 10 pick at LT, won the lottery.
Detroit invested a pair of top 20 picks at RT and C. They won the lottery twice. 
Detroit invested a pair of 3rd RD picks. Also got some good scratch off cash back there for those rounds. Essentially winning a nice lottery.

So your argument is that while we selected players high we just didn't hit on them? This is literally your argument and it had nothing to do with coaching and QB play?

Yes you are right, somehow GB, HOU, DET, LAC were all better franchises in nailing those picks and it had nothing to do with coaching and QB. 

Can you explain how why our OLine played better last season with literally the same freaking players?

(01-16-2024, 05:18 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 05:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP] me dead. You're dense. The problem is the failure in evaluations. Just because you invest a pick in something doesn't mean you nailed it buddy. Have you ever played the lottery?

"So I spent $20 last week, $20 the previous week, $40 last month, used the money SKM's Mom gave me which is a wash, it's free money, $50 is worth the trouble, another $20 the month prior, in addition to the $20 that SKM's Mom gave me for our anniversary, followed by $50 the previous month, damn, but all I have to show for it is maybe $10 in lucky scratch off's". 

We didn't hit the lottery. It's the same song and dance for most teams. Detroit would be a better example for what you're trying to aim for in your nonsensical post. 

Detroit invested a top 10 pick at LT, won the lottery.
Detroit invested a pair of top 20 picks at RT and C. They won the lottery twice. 
Detroit invested a pair of 3rd RD picks. Also got some good scratch off cash back there for those rounds. Essentially winning a nice lottery.

So your argument is that while we selected players high we just didn't hit on them? This is literally your argument and it had nothing to do with coaching and QB play?

Yes you are right, somehow GB, HOU, DET, LAC were all better franchises in nailing those picks and it had nothing to do with coaching and QB. 

Can you explain how why our OLine played better last season with literally the same freaking players?

That's easy. To answer your first question, yes, yes my dense little friend, yes. We selected players high, we didn't hit on them. 

Green Bay, Houston, Detroit and Los Angeles were all better in nailing those selections and team building in general. Doesn't take much to see what the root issue is here in Jacksonville. 

Green Bay landed two rookie tight end's in later rounds better than our tight end we took in RD2. They also drafted Wicks in RD5. Better than Washington. The Rams drafted a pair of defenders in RD3 that netted them 17 sacks combined as rookies. They also landed Nacua. They also landed a RB in the same round we took Snoop Conner who is basically a star in Williams. 

Detroit's offensive line investments have paid off tremendously. They had the #1 ranked offensive line going into the play-off's and they did just enough to keep the wolves at bay in their one point win over the Rams. 

Our offensive line played better last season against lesser competition and a lesser schedule strength wise. I have already cited this numerous times. This team was built adequately enough to hover around and be sub par or slightly above sub par (Hence, back-to-back 9-8 seasons), but, when they had to actually play the better teams in the NFL? 

They got schooled. Cleveland, Baltimore, San Francisco, Houston (twice), Indianapolis (twice), Kansas City, Tampa Bay were all a lot tougher on the schedule this past season Vs. the previous season of the teams they played. Period. This front office, unlike those teams you listed above? This team rested on it's laurel's instead of adding actual, viable talent that could start and compete right off the bat. 

That's the difference. For comparison sake. This past season's SoS rating (Strength of Schedule) came out to 1.1. That's the 5th most difficult schedule this team has had historically as a franchise. Toughest schedule they've had since 2013.

This is similar to the teams James Harris & Del Rio also put together in 2004 and 2006. Where they had a pretty tough strength of schedule and would sometimes overachieve. Those were also teams that had a tendency to rely on one particular aspect offensively (running the football well) and defensively (stopping the run exceptionally well) while struggling to find balance on offense and defense (passing it well in obvious situations and burying the QB in obvious passing situations due to lack of pass rushers).

Sounds an awful lot like our current team. Woefully imbalanced offensively and defensively and would sometimes overachieve. Nothing more. Nothing less. The only difference? The schedule was tougher in 2023 along with the division Vs. 2022 and this front office did [BLEEP] ALL to improve or strengthen any of it's weaknesses in 2022 when they BARELY won the division to begin with. It's extremely rare you get that lucky twice.

Them drafting a glorified FB pretending to be a TE in RD2 and a short yardage "specialist" at RB in RD3 reeks of arrogance. Arrogance and ignorance. Period.

(01-16-2024, 05:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 05:18 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]So your argument is that while we selected players high we just didn't hit on them? This is literally your argument and it had nothing to do with coaching and QB play?

Yes you are right, somehow GB, HOU, DET, LAC were all better franchises in nailing those picks and it had nothing to do with coaching and QB. 

Can you explain how why our OLine played better last season with literally the same freaking players?

That's easy. To answer your first question, yes, yes my dense little friend, yes. We selected players high, we didn't hit on them. 

Green Bay, Houston, Detroit and Los Angeles were all better in nailing those selections and team building in general. Doesn't take much to see what the root issue is here in Jacksonville. 

Green Bay landed two rookie tight end's in later rounds better than our tight end we took in RD2. They also drafted Wicks in RD5. Better than Washington. The Rams drafted a pair of defenders in RD3 that netted them 17 sacks combined as rookies. They also landed Nacua. They also landed a RB in the same round we took Snoop Conner who is basically a star in Williams. 

Detroit's offensive line investments have paid off tremendously. They had the #1 ranked offensive line going into the play-off's and they did just enough to keep the wolves at bay in their one point win over the Rams. 

Our offensive line played better last season against lesser competition and a lesser schedule strength wise. I have already cited this numerous times. This team was built adequately enough to hover around and be sub par or slightly above sub par (Hence, back-to-back 9-8 seasons), but, when they had to actually play the better teams in the NFL? 

They got schooled. Cleveland, Baltimore, San Francisco, Houston (twice), Indianapolis (twice), Kansas City, Tampa Bay were all a lot tougher on the schedule this past season Vs. the previous season of the teams they played. Period. This front office, unlike those teams you listed above? This team rested on it's laurel's instead of adding actual, viable talent that could start and compete right off the bat. 

That's the difference.

You're BS argument would ONLY be true if those franchises hit ones every blue moon and not have repeative success...theres a reason solid OL units are units with good QB play and coaching, not viceversa....

So throughout the years how come teams like GB, HOU, KC, BAL been successful drafting OL in literally same rounds as ours and them being the better units? Answer: it isnt because they always hit the lottery, its because they were better coached/adjusted and they had better QB play under center that made their jobs a lot easier. OL talent throughout the league isn't that far off from team to team it's all about how well they are coached and how good their QB is. OL unit in the league is the least talentive groups in all football. The talent isnt far off from guys like Cam versus Trent Williams, Lane Johson etc....

The OL players we drafted is a solid unit proven by the fact of last years success and literally taking a dump this year because lack of coaching adjustments and QB not taking the next step to success. It's another reason why Doug continues to praise our OL regardless of how you viewed them this year.

(01-16-2024, 05:53 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 05:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]That's easy. To answer your first question, yes, yes my dense little friend, yes. We selected players high, we didn't hit on them. 

Green Bay, Houston, Detroit and Los Angeles were all better in nailing those selections and team building in general. Doesn't take much to see what the root issue is here in Jacksonville. 

Green Bay landed two rookie tight end's in later rounds better than our tight end we took in RD2. They also drafted Wicks in RD5. Better than Washington. The Rams drafted a pair of defenders in RD3 that netted them 17 sacks combined as rookies. They also landed Nacua. They also landed a RB in the same round we took Snoop Conner who is basically a star in Williams. 

Detroit's offensive line investments have paid off tremendously. They had the #1 ranked offensive line going into the play-off's and they did just enough to keep the wolves at bay in their one point win over the Rams. 

Our offensive line played better last season against lesser competition and a lesser schedule strength wise. I have already cited this numerous times. This team was built adequately enough to hover around and be sub par or slightly above sub par (Hence, back-to-back 9-8 seasons), but, when they had to actually play the better teams in the NFL? 

They got schooled. Cleveland, Baltimore, San Francisco, Houston (twice), Indianapolis (twice), Kansas City, Tampa Bay were all a lot tougher on the schedule this past season Vs. the previous season of the teams they played. Period. This front office, unlike those teams you listed above? This team rested on it's laurel's instead of adding actual, viable talent that could start and compete right off the bat. 

That's the difference.

You're BS argument would ONLY be true if those franchises hit ones every blue moon and not have repeative success...theres a reason solid OL units are units with good QB play and coaching, not viceversa....

So throughout the years how come teams like GB, HOU, KC, BAL been successful drafting OL in literally same rounds as ours and them being the better units? Answer: it isnt because they always hit the lottery, its because they were better coached/adjusted and they had better QB play under center that made their jobs a lot easier. OL talent throughout the league isn't that far off from team to team it's all about how well they are coached and how good their QB is. OL unit in the league is the least talentive groups in all football. The talent isnt far off from guys like Cam versus Trent Williams, Lane Johson etc....

The OL players we drafted is a solid unit proven by the fact of last years success and literally taking a dump this year because lack of coaching adjustments and QB not taking the next step to success. It's another reason why Doug continues to praise our OL regardless of how you viewed them this year.

I'd argue they were below average last year, and a couple of injuries and regression put them into bad category this year

(01-16-2024, 05:53 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 05:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]That's easy. To answer your first question, yes, yes my dense little friend, yes. We selected players high, we didn't hit on them. 

Green Bay, Houston, Detroit and Los Angeles were all better in nailing those selections and team building in general. Doesn't take much to see what the root issue is here in Jacksonville. 

Green Bay landed two rookie tight end's in later rounds better than our tight end we took in RD2. They also drafted Wicks in RD5. Better than Washington. The Rams drafted a pair of defenders in RD3 that netted them 17 sacks combined as rookies. They also landed Nacua. They also landed a RB in the same round we took Snoop Conner who is basically a star in Williams. 

Detroit's offensive line investments have paid off tremendously. They had the #1 ranked offensive line going into the play-off's and they did just enough to keep the wolves at bay in their one point win over the Rams. 

Our offensive line played better last season against lesser competition and a lesser schedule strength wise. I have already cited this numerous times. This team was built adequately enough to hover around and be sub par or slightly above sub par (Hence, back-to-back 9-8 seasons), but, when they had to actually play the better teams in the NFL? 

They got schooled. Cleveland, Baltimore, San Francisco, Houston (twice), Indianapolis (twice), Kansas City, Tampa Bay were all a lot tougher on the schedule this past season Vs. the previous season of the teams they played. Period. This front office, unlike those teams you listed above? This team rested on it's laurel's instead of adding actual, viable talent that could start and compete right off the bat. 

That's the difference.

You're BS argument would ONLY be true if those franchises hit ones every blue moon and not have repeative success...theres a reason solid OL units are units with good QB play and coaching, not viceversa....

So throughout the years how come teams like GB, HOU, KC, BAL been successful drafting OL in literally same rounds as ours and them being the better units? Answer: it isnt because they always hit the lottery, its because they were better coached/adjusted and they had better QB play under center that made their jobs a lot easier. OL talent throughout the league isn't that far off from team to team it's all about how well they are coached and how good their QB is. OL unit in the league is the least talentive groups in all football. The talent isnt far off from guys like Cam versus Trent Williams, Lane Johson etc....

The OL players we drafted is a solid unit proven by the fact of last years success and literally taking a dump this year because lack of coaching adjustments and QB not taking the next step to success. It's another reason why Doug continues to praise our OL regardless of how you viewed them this year.

LOL

Do you have rocks in your head??

The line showed up to camp this year wearing "motivational" tee shirts that said 31st in the league.

Because they totally [BLEEP] sucked last year. 

It's a miracle TL wasn't injured more significantly in 2022 because the protection was bloody horrible. This year the chickens came home to roost on the crap-fest OL our regime stupidly doubled down on. 
The only saving grace of the 2022 line is that they could run block a little bit better and ETN made magic out of manure blocking more so than he could in 2023. 

I can't believe we still have idiots trying to prop up a HORRIBLE 2022 line to make an argument. You'd have to be out of your damn mind.

Where's Mark Twain to chime in with a good quote when you need him?

(01-16-2024, 05:53 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 05:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]That's easy. To answer your first question, yes, yes my dense little friend, yes. We selected players high, we didn't hit on them. 

Green Bay, Houston, Detroit and Los Angeles were all better in nailing those selections and team building in general. Doesn't take much to see what the root issue is here in Jacksonville. 

Green Bay landed two rookie tight end's in later rounds better than our tight end we took in RD2. They also drafted Wicks in RD5. Better than Washington. The Rams drafted a pair of defenders in RD3 that netted them 17 sacks combined as rookies. They also landed Nacua. They also landed a RB in the same round we took Snoop Conner who is basically a star in Williams. 

Detroit's offensive line investments have paid off tremendously. They had the #1 ranked offensive line going into the play-off's and they did just enough to keep the wolves at bay in their one point win over the Rams. 

Our offensive line played better last season against lesser competition and a lesser schedule strength wise. I have already cited this numerous times. This team was built adequately enough to hover around and be sub par or slightly above sub par (Hence, back-to-back 9-8 seasons), but, when they had to actually play the better teams in the NFL? 

They got schooled. Cleveland, Baltimore, San Francisco, Houston (twice), Indianapolis (twice), Kansas City, Tampa Bay were all a lot tougher on the schedule this past season Vs. the previous season of the teams they played. Period. This front office, unlike those teams you listed above? This team rested on it's laurel's instead of adding actual, viable talent that could start and compete right off the bat. 

That's the difference.

You're BS argument would ONLY be true if those franchises hit ones every blue moon and not have repeative success...theres a reason solid OL units are units with good QB play and coaching, not viceversa....

So throughout the years how come teams like GB, HOU, KC, BAL been successful drafting OL in literally same rounds as ours and them being the better units? Answer: it isnt because they always hit the lottery, its because they were better coached/adjusted and they had better QB play under center that made their jobs a lot easier. OL talent throughout the league isn't that far off from team to team it's all about how well they are coached and how good their QB is. OL unit in the league is the least talentive groups in all football. The talent isnt far off from guys like Cam versus Trent Williams, Lane Johson etc....

The OL players we drafted is a solid unit proven by the fact of last years success and literally taking a dump this year because lack of coaching adjustments and QB not taking the next step to success. It's another reason why Doug continues to praise our OL regardless of how you viewed them this year.

What??!! WHAT?!!

Please tell me your drunk or high as no sane person can be that stupid.

(01-16-2024, 05:53 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 05:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]That's easy. To answer your first question, yes, yes my dense little friend, yes. We selected players high, we didn't hit on them. 

Green Bay, Houston, Detroit and Los Angeles were all better in nailing those selections and team building in general. Doesn't take much to see what the root issue is here in Jacksonville. 

Green Bay landed two rookie tight end's in later rounds better than our tight end we took in RD2. They also drafted Wicks in RD5. Better than Washington. The Rams drafted a pair of defenders in RD3 that netted them 17 sacks combined as rookies. They also landed Nacua. They also landed a RB in the same round we took Snoop Conner who is basically a star in Williams. 

Detroit's offensive line investments have paid off tremendously. They had the #1 ranked offensive line going into the play-off's and they did just enough to keep the wolves at bay in their one point win over the Rams. 

Our offensive line played better last season against lesser competition and a lesser schedule strength wise. I have already cited this numerous times. This team was built adequately enough to hover around and be sub par or slightly above sub par (Hence, back-to-back 9-8 seasons), but, when they had to actually play the better teams in the NFL? 

They got schooled. Cleveland, Baltimore, San Francisco, Houston (twice), Indianapolis (twice), Kansas City, Tampa Bay were all a lot tougher on the schedule this past season Vs. the previous season of the teams they played. Period. This front office, unlike those teams you listed above? This team rested on it's laurel's instead of adding actual, viable talent that could start and compete right off the bat. 

That's the difference.

You're BS argument would ONLY be true if those franchises hit ones every blue moon and not have repeative success...theres a reason solid OL units are units with good QB play and coaching, not viceversa....

So throughout the years how come teams like GB, HOU, KC, BAL been successful drafting OL in literally same rounds as ours and them being the better units? Answer: it isnt because they always hit the lottery, its because they were better coached/adjusted and they had better QB play under center that made their jobs a lot easier. OL talent throughout the league isn't that far off from team to team it's all about how well they are coached and how good their QB is. OL unit in the league is the least talentive groups in all football. The talent isnt far off from guys like Cam versus Trent Williams, Lane Johson etc....

The OL players we drafted is a solid unit proven by the fact of last years success and literally taking a dump this year because lack of coaching adjustments and QB not taking the next step to success. It's another reason why Doug continues to praise our OL regardless of how you viewed them this year.

Holy cow.

Cam isn’t far off FROM TWO FUTURE HALL OF FAME TACKLES?!

(01-16-2024, 06:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 05:53 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]You're BS argument would ONLY be true if those franchises hit ones every blue moon and not have repeative success...theres a reason solid OL units are units with good QB play and coaching, not viceversa....

So throughout the years how come teams like GB, HOU, KC, BAL been successful drafting OL in literally same rounds as ours and them being the better units? Answer: it isnt because they always hit the lottery, its because they were better coached/adjusted and they had better QB play under center that made their jobs a lot easier. OL talent throughout the league isn't that far off from team to team it's all about how well they are coached and how good their QB is. OL unit in the league is the least talentive groups in all football. The talent isnt far off from guys like Cam versus Trent Williams, Lane Johson etc....

The OL players we drafted is a solid unit proven by the fact of last years success and literally taking a dump this year because lack of coaching adjustments and QB not taking the next step to success. It's another reason why Doug continues to praise our OL regardless of how you viewed them this year.

LOL

Do you have rocks in your head??

The line showed up to camp this year wearing "motivational" tee shirts that said 31st in the league.

Because they totally [BLEEP] sucked last year. 

It's a miracle TL wasn't injured more significantly in 2022 because the protection was bloody horrible. This year the chickens came home to roost on the crap-fest OL our regime stupidly doubled down on. 
The only saving grace of the 2022 line is that they could run block a little bit better and ETN made magic out of manure blocking more so than he could in 2023. 

I can't believe we still have idiots trying to prop up a HORRIBLE 2022 line to make an argument. You'd have to be out of your damn mind.

Yeah I don't get that either, I mean we've had a bad o line for the better part of the last decade or longer. But it's been REALLY bad the last 2-4 years.

(01-16-2024, 02:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2024, 02:11 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/gus_logue/status/174...0sTdg&s=19

https://twitter.com/PFF_Anthony/status/1...lQgLQ&s=19

Our offensive philosophy has to change. Power running, play action, deep passes down the middle, create open space pre-snap is what we need to move toward.

I want more snaps under center and more power runs + personnel to do it too.

But let's not confuse PASS snaps under center with a QB on the injury report for 11 games with what we need to do in the run game. 

I'd wager the snaps under center for both pass and run jump up if they place a C/LG worth a damn

After 10 years of obvious rushes in the I formation.... and it worked. 

I miss that.