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Bro watched 1 yt analysis video and is now a pro

(01-15-2024, 03:51 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 03:46 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]How do you stare down a receiver in less than 2 seconds?  You're making that one up.

So Google search Trevor stares down receiver.

As I said, you're making that up.

(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 03:51 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]So Google search Trevor stares down receiver.

As I said, you're making that up. ?

He's definitely not, hell go look up his clemson highlight tape and just watch his head/eyes.. dude does not make a second read in 90% of his plays, even when he almost gets sacked ull notice him look directly back at the same WR and heave it.

(01-15-2024, 04:37 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He was one of the better college QBs ever.  He never lost a regular season game and won a National Title as a freshman.  You are cluless on your QB evaluation lol

So was Tim Tebow, he still stared down his first read, he still sailed passes, he still would roll out almost exclusively to the left even if the pressure was coming from that direction, he still had accuracy issues whilst moving, he still made questionable decisions.. 

The difference?

He had NFL talent WRs running against nobodies wide open the majority of the time. 

Thats why a lot of prolific college passers have nice stats, and fail in the NFL.

Tebow never had the arm talent Lawrence does and it's not a good example. I have seen more uncanny, off schedule, head turning throws in Lawrence's 50 some odd NFL career starts than I have in Tebow's entire career at any level.

You act like Lawrence hasn't made impossible throws in tight windows already or something. He's done it enough since last year to show that he has that arm talent, which is why he was drafted where he was. 

Also, Tebow had to have a system tailor made for him. Lawrence didn't have that luxury in the NFL. And, for better or worse, whether anybody likes it or not. He just had his third straight year in a row with a third different play caller. 

That doesn't help anybody. If they actually did the things he did at Clemson, a lot more pistol and RPO stuff? He'd be doing more work outside of the pocket and with his legs. They're not asking him to do that very much at all here in Jacksonville. 

You keep building up some really goofy [BLEEP] strawmen over Lawrence man. And, once again, who are you replacing him with? I am not talking pick of the litter either or hypotheticals. I am genuinely asking. Between, free agency in March and the draft in April. Who are you replacing him with in 2024 and beyond? And why?

(01-15-2024, 04:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 03:51 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]So Google search Trevor stares down receiver. You're not gonna like the videos.

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No one! I'm just saying he hasn't corrected issues.

Can he? I hope so.

So, in other words, you're somewhat of an expert, an armchair GM that can evaluate QB's from college to the NFL level, and yet, when presented a rather basic question, you don't have an answer for it?

Noted.

What are you talking about?

Are you a Lawrence?

I said there is no better QB we can acquire.

He may have stared down WRs his rookie year, but generally when he has time he goes through his reads. I actually remember hearing on multiple occasions that he sometimes goes through his reads TOO quickly

(01-15-2024, 04:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, you're making that up. ?

He's definitely not, hell go look up his clemson highlight tape and just watch his head/eyes.. dude does not make a second read in 90% of his plays, even when he almost gets sacked ull notice him look directly back at the same WR and heave it.

Please provide evidence.

(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 03:51 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]So Google search Trevor stares down receiver.

As I said, you're making that up.

So couldn't bring yourself to watch it?

(01-15-2024, 04:55 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]So, in other words, you're somewhat of an expert, an armchair GM that can evaluate QB's from college to the NFL level, and yet, when presented a rather basic question, you don't have an answer for it?

Noted.

What are you talking about?

Are you a Lawrence?

I said there is no better QB we can acquire.

That's not what I asked you. I'll try again. You're saying Lawrence needs to work on X, Y & Z as a QB. So, I assumed, maybe you had some insight or knew a good QB when you saw one. 

I wasn't asking a smart [BLEEP] question earlier. It's a genuine question. If you're that confident in your analysis on Lawrence as it stands today, in between watching him and other QB's out there, whether it's guys hitting the market or the draft, you can't name a QB or multiple QB's you wouldn't find viable as a potential replacement?

That's all I am getting at.

(01-15-2024, 05:00 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, you're making that up.

So couldn't bring yourself to watch it?

There's nothing to watch.

(01-15-2024, 02:50 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 01:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think there's a middle ground. I can tell you personally, with him going into year four, my overall expectations for him are through the roof now. I am not going to excuse the turnovers as much as I would in the past, outside of the blatant one's that happen that were clearly not on him. 

Which I think is being fair. The reality is this, 18 wins over the last two years, with a chance just two weeks ago to clinch the divisional title again for the second year in a row. He, along with the rest of this football team, coaching staff and front office, collectively failed. He didn't play his best football down the stretch, as did a number of his teammates. 

We can chalk it up to injuries, incompetency, poor line play on both sides, breakdowns in communication, failure to make adjustments, etc. The reality is that it's a soup of issues, a quagmire. 

It's going to take a herculean off season to fix this team. Not just physically, but, most importantly, mentally. It really is the most important off season in franchise history as far as I am concerned. I am hoping this team, while sitting at home, after seeing Houston, Green Bay and Detroit do exactly what this team did last year, is reeling and learning from their mistakes of resting on their laurels or just being content on "getting there".

That's a fair assesment. 

(01-15-2024, 02:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Remember, he’s never been good in the NFL. Exact quote and not out of context as CJB/MVP will try and claim.

I should probably clarify now that I mean that he's never been good throughout the course of a season. He's definitely had a couple games that would qualify as good, but no where near enough to matter.

And there’s the backpedal, right on cue.

(01-15-2024, 04:05 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He was one of the better college QBs ever.  He never lost a regular season game and won a National Title as a freshman.  You are cluless on your QB evaluation lol

So he had no issues?

Cmon man. If CJ Stroud in his first season beats the crap out of Lawrence's third year you can admit he had and continues to have issues.

He totally has issues, for example the offensive line can't block, the run game can't get going, and the receivers dropped mutliplte big time throws. Even worse, the defense couldn't stop anyone when it mattered down the stretch. But they are definitely working on them and the offseason is going to be great fun to watch.

(01-15-2024, 12:59 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 12:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I can only imagine that CJB rubbed his palms bloody anticipating this very conversation.

None of us want Trevor to fail.

Why? To go online and tell 20 people that, no offense, don't matter that they were right? 

We are Jags fans! Please be elite next year Trevor.

But when a rookie who was meh enough for the panthers to trade their pick away to get someone else outplays your generational QB, you gotta start being real about him.

Does he suck? No. He's just not top 10 and probably won't be. He doesn't have the "it" factor with his decisions.

But the problem is that if he is not top 10 then for all intents and purposes, he does suck for this team and franchise. This is not a franchise that can conceivable win a SB without a top 10 QB.

The only force multiplier on the roster excluding the QB position, on the coaching staff, or in FO is probably Josh Allen. 

If that is your assessment, then you should also believe this team should be trying to trade him, and gunning to breathe new life into a guy like Justin Fields via trade or aiming to trade up in the draft to get a QB.

You'll soon find out what the team really thinks. Trevor is eligible for an extension this off-season. Let's see how long it takes and the details of the contract if it happens.

(01-15-2024, 04:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:48 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, you're making that up. ?

He's definitely not, hell go look up his clemson highlight tape and just watch his head/eyes.. dude does not make a second read in 90% of his plays, even when he almost gets sacked ull notice him look directly back at the same WR and heave it.

Seems to me you said THE EXACT SAME THING about Stroud.

(01-15-2024, 05:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 12:59 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]None of us want Trevor to fail.

Why? To go online and tell 20 people that, no offense, don't matter that they were right? 

We are Jags fans! Please be elite next year Trevor.

But when a rookie who was meh enough for the panthers to trade their pick away to get someone else outplays your generational QB, you gotta start being real about him.

Does he suck? No. He's just not top 10 and probably won't be. He doesn't have the "it" factor with his decisions.

But the problem is that if he is not top 10 then for all intents and purposes, he does suck for this team and franchise. This is not a franchise that can conceivable win a SB without a top 10 QB.

The only force multiplier on the roster excluding the QB position, on the coaching staff, or in FO is probably Josh Allen. 

If that is your assessment, then you should also believe this team should be trying to trade him, and gunning to breathe new life into a guy like Justin Fields via trade or aiming to trade up in the draft to get a QB.

I mean he can have a decent career still, think of guys like Cousins, Alex Smith, tannehill etc....

(01-15-2024, 09:03 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-14-2024, 08:55 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]His logic is simple.

When we win its down to the run game or D. When we lose its because of Trevor.

If you say so.

(01-15-2024, 08:44 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/Ihartitz/status/1744781890182054242?s=20

Here’s a compilation of our WRs dropping/not getting feet in for 16tds for Trevor this year.

But yeah, he’s trash

And here's a video of him making some of the worst throws i've ever seen.


But yeah, he's good. 

Trevor has over 1750 career attempts in the NFL and all they could put together was a clip of 6 throws. Yup, sounds about right. Because Trevor is just that damn good. Easy.

(01-15-2024, 04:53 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:37 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So was Tim Tebow, he still stared down his first read, he still sailed passes, he still would roll out almost exclusively to the left even if the pressure was coming from that direction, he still had accuracy issues whilst moving, he still made questionable decisions.. 

The difference?

He had NFL talent WRs running against nobodies wide open the majority of the time. 

Thats why a lot of prolific college passers have nice stats, and fail in the NFL.

Tebow never had the arm talent Lawrence does and it's not a good example. I have seen more uncanny, off schedule, head turning throws in Lawrence's 50 some odd NFL career starts than I have in Tebow's entire career at any level.

You act like Lawrence hasn't made impossible throws in tight windows already or something. He's done it enough since last year to show that he has that arm talent, which is why he was drafted where he was. 

Also, Tebow had to have a system tailor made for him. Lawrence didn't have that luxury in the NFL. And, for better or worse, whether anybody likes it or not. He just had his third straight year in a row with a third different play caller. 

That doesn't help anybody. If they actually did the things he did at Clemson, a lot more pistol and RPO stuff? He'd be doing more work outside of the pocket and with his legs. They're not asking him to do that very much at all here in Jacksonville. 

You keep building up some really goofy [BLEEP] strawmen over Lawrence man. And, once again, who are you replacing him with? I am not talking pick of the litter either or hypotheticals. I am genuinely asking. Between, free agency in March and the draft in April. Who are you replacing him with in 2024 and beyond? And why?

It's a perfect example, you claimed he was a "great college QB" as if that means anything at this level.. it dosen't, there are a ton of guys who did it there and can't do it here. 

As far as replacing him, i'm not looking into replacing him until next year, and the basis for that would be if we see the same lackluster QB play we've seen for 3 years now.

(01-15-2024, 05:46 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 05:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]But the problem is that if he is not top 10 then for all intents and purposes, he does suck for this team and franchise. This is not a franchise that can conceivable win a SB without a top 10 QB.

The only force multiplier on the roster excluding the QB position, on the coaching staff, or in FO is probably Josh Allen. 

If that is your assessment, then you should also believe this team should be trying to trade him, and gunning to breathe new life into a guy like Justin Fields via trade or aiming to trade up in the draft to get a QB.

I mean he can have a decent career still, think of guys like Cousins, Alex Smith, tannehill etc....

Still waiting for you to link evidence that Trevor's problem is that he "stares down receivers".

(01-15-2024, 05:41 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-15-2024, 04:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]He's definitely not, hell go look up his clemson highlight tape and just watch his head/eyes.. dude does not make a second read in 90% of his plays, even when he almost gets sacked ull notice him look directly back at the same WR and heave it.

Seems to me you said THE EXACT SAME THING about Stroud.

Fair call out, I was wrong about stroud. 

But, caveat here is that with Lawrence I took the time to geniunely watch each play he was involved in at Clemson, I did not do some sort of deep research into Stroud because there was obviously no point, we weren't taking him.

Tho if you wanna go back further you'd note I flat out said Zach Wilson would be a bust, I flat out said Justin Fields would be a budget Lamarr.. the guys I assumed we may have taken during that time (didn't know we'd have the first pick).


It's easy to dog on somebody when you change the narrative like NYC and others do. They took my observations of his flaws and made it out like I flat out called him a bust which I didn't. A simple search through my post history on draft day and before, I wanted to take him because he does have the most potential in that class, but he wasn't a generational talent..