(12-18-2023, 09:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor had his worst game in a long time yesterday.
When did the supposed concussion occur?
There were two plays that stood out to me where it could have occurred. The intentional grounding hit he ate towards our goal line after the ball was moved back from a 3rd and 2 opportunity to a 3rd and 8 attempt. I think his head took a good bounce off the turf there.
The only other hit was probably late in the game in Q4 when he took off and stood up and got gang tackled. I honestly think it was the above play though. It looked somewhat obvious to me.
(12-18-2023, 03:15 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 02:31 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, struggling with 3,700 YDs and 25TD.
Mahomes 3,700 Yds, 25TDs, 13 Ints
Lawrence 3,500 Yds, 22TDs, 10 Ints
Man that's a huge difference right there. You really think Mahomes has a worse situation then Lawrence does right now.
Where did you get this stats? I am seeing:
Trevor 18TDs and 10 ints
(12-18-2023, 10:33 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 09:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor had his worst game in a long time yesterday.
When did the supposed concussion occur?
There were two plays that stood out to me where it could have occurred. The intentional grounding hit he ate towards our goal line after the ball was moved back from a 3rd and 2 opportunity to a 3rd and 8 attempt. I think his head took a good bounce off the turf there.
The only other hit was probably late in the game in Q4 when he took off and stood up and got gang tackled. I honestly think it was the above play though. It looked somewhat obvious to me.
Is the second play you are talking about the one where he got his legs kind of folded back? If so he took a helmet to helmet shot on that play. The pointed out it should have been a flag and replayed it.
(12-18-2023, 10:36 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 03:15 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes 3,700 Yds, 25TDs, 13 Ints
Lawrence 3,500 Yds, 22TDs, 10 Ints
Man that's a huge difference right there. You really think Mahomes has a worse situation then Lawrence does right now.
Where did you get this stats? I am seeing:
Trevor 18TDs and 10 ints
Last time I checked rushing TDs count for 6 points just like passing ones which he has 4 of and Mahomes has zero of thus 22tds.
(12-18-2023, 10:09 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 09:07 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]He doesn't have time to read the field, and we don't have a running attack to keep the pass rush off of him. The opposing defense pins their ears back and rushes the passer and covers tight because they know he has to get the ball out quickly.
It's not the OC. It's the O-line. Can't run the ball. Therefore, don't have time to read the field. The OC knows this, and has to call plays to get the ball out quickly.
We can't run the ball because we darft light in the pants. We want fancy technicians and not beefy bruisers. We want smart overthinkers and not angry beasts.
Because we are light in the pants, we gotta try to win runs with misdirection, spread, and other slow, horizontal approaches. Players, not plays. With players, the plays are easier. Without the players, the plays have to adjust and are doomed to failure.
GET THE BIG GUYS EARLY
say it with me now
That would be my number one priority this offseason, assuming we can keep the current team together. Offensive line.
(12-18-2023, 10:36 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 03:15 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes 3,700 Yds, 25TDs, 13 Ints
Lawrence 3,500 Yds, 22TDs, 10 Ints
Man that's a huge difference right there. You really think Mahomes has a worse situation then Lawrence does right now.
Where did you get this stats? I am seeing:
Trevor 18TDs and 10 ints
He probably totaled that with rushing TD as well
(12-18-2023, 11:02 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 10:36 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you get this stats? I am seeing:
Trevor 18TDs and 10 ints
He probably totaled that with rushing TD as well
I'm confused do those not count?
(12-18-2023, 11:05 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 11:02 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]He probably totaled that with rushing TD as well
I'm confused do those not count?
They do but they are placed on a diff catg of stats.
Thats why when you look up stats on any QB rushing TDs arent included with passing TDs. Not sure why but it's always been like that.
(12-18-2023, 11:05 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 11:02 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]He probably totaled that with rushing TD as well
I'm confused do those not count?
They only don't count when it helps someone's argument.
Like Hurts/Lamar/Allen, they exclude the rushing tds to support an argument that someone is/ins't a great QB.
They absolutely count.
(12-18-2023, 11:08 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 11:05 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]I'm confused do those not count?
They do but they are placed on a diff catg of stats.
Thats why when you look up stats on any QB rushing TDs arent included with passing TDs. Not sure why but it's always been like that.
Ok well by that logic receiving stats don't count for RBs. If someone has to remove a stat from a player in order to prove they are right they have already lost.
Trevor has had a mostly bad season so far, I dunno how anyone can defend the guy at this point. Other QBs deal with the same stuff Trevor does, inconsistent/bad O line play, drops. etc. and they somehow produce. The excuses have to run out at some point.
Trevor is capable of great things, but it seems more often than not he's playing poorly or turning the ball over, or worse. He is wildly inconsistent with a turnover problem. Not exactly elite QB material, and as his career unfolds how long do we wait and see if he will develop? Into a 2nd deal? If that's the case and this is who TL is, this franchise will be back in the mud for the life of that contract and then some... It's worrisome.
We are well off into year 3 with a 5th year option, or a massive contract right down the pipeline and I am still unsure if he is 'him' or not. That's a major red flag imo.
(12-18-2023, 11:17 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor has had a mostly bad season so far, I dunno how anyone can defend the guy at this point. Other QBs deal with the same stuff Trevor does, inconsistent/bad O line play, drops. etc. and they somehow produce. The excuses have to run out at some point.
Trevor is capable of great things, but it seems more often than not he's playing poorly or turning the ball over, or worse. He is wildly inconsistent with a turnover problem. Not exactly elite QB material, and as his career unfolds how long do we wait and see if he will develop? Into a 2nd deal? If that's the case and this is who TL is, this franchise will be back in the mud for the life of that contract and then some... It's worrisome.
We are well off into year 3 with a 5th year option, or a massive contract right down the pipeline and I am still unsure if he is 'him' or not. That's a major red flag imo.
Which QB would play better than Lawrence in this situation?
(12-18-2023, 11:21 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 11:17 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor has had a mostly bad season so far, I dunno how anyone can defend the guy at this point. Other QBs deal with the same stuff Trevor does, inconsistent/bad O line play, drops. etc. and they somehow produce. The excuses have to run out at some point.
Trevor is capable of great things, but it seems more often than not he's playing poorly or turning the ball over, or worse. He is wildly inconsistent with a turnover problem. Not exactly elite QB material, and as his career unfolds how long do we wait and see if he will develop? Into a 2nd deal? If that's the case and this is who TL is, this franchise will be back in the mud for the life of that contract and then some... It's worrisome.
We are well off into year 3 with a 5th year option, or a massive contract right down the pipeline and I am still unsure if he is 'him' or not. That's a major red flag imo.
Which QB would play better than Lawrence in this situation?
NO ONE. Trevor is the best QB of all time, HoF!!! look at the numbers! 4 rushing TDs, he is the GOAT!!!!
I think the upside is you have the chance to lock him up on a bit of a discount.
(12-18-2023, 11:24 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 11:21 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Which QB would play better than Lawrence in this situation?
NO ONE. Trevor is the best QB of all time, HoF!!! look at the numbers! 4 rushing TDs, he is the GOAT!!!!
I really don't think anyone is saying that, but the idea that he's not going to get a second contract here is silly. He's a franchise guy and he'll likely play all his meaningful years here. If he were to go to the Market he would easily set the record for largest QB deal in history in a bidding war like none we've seen before.
(12-18-2023, 11:17 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor has had a mostly bad season so far, I dunno how anyone can defend the guy at this point. Other QBs deal with the same stuff Trevor does, inconsistent/bad O line play, drops. etc. and they somehow produce. The excuses have to run out at some point.
Trevor is capable of great things, but it seems more often than not he's playing poorly or turning the ball over, or worse. He is wildly inconsistent with a turnover problem. Not exactly elite QB material, and as his career unfolds how long do we wait and see if he will develop? Into a 2nd deal? If that's the case and this is who TL is, this franchise will be back in the mud for the life of that contract and then some... It's worrisome.
We are well off into year 3 with a 5th year option, or a massive contract right down the pipeline and I am still unsure if he is 'him' or not. That's a major red flag imo.
If you're still unsure then you'll never get it.
I would love us to lock things up against Carolina and then play CJ against Ten so you guys can all see who we have behind him here.
The guy is out there trying to make a 4 course meal out of a sack of spoiled potatoes. We'd be NE/Car/Jets level bad without Trevor.
Seriously, we FINALLY got ourselves a QB capable of taking us to a SB and so many people just act like we can easily upgrade him. He is the upper echelon of QBs in the league. Would I rather have Mahomes? Of course, everyone would. But (and we've done this before) tell me how many QBs you'd truly trade Trevor straight up for in the league? There's not many. He's literally the best QB we've ever had
(12-18-2023, 11:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 11:24 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]NO ONE. Trevor is the best QB of all time, HoF!!! look at the numbers! 4 rushing TDs, he is the GOAT!!!!
I really don't think anyone is saying that, but the idea that he's not going to get a second contract here is silly. He's a franchise guy and he'll likely play all his meaningful years here. If he were to go to the Market he would easily set the record for largest QB deal in history in a bidding war like none we've seen before.
That guy is asking who can do better, pretty much implying no one can.
Is Trevor elite? no
Does Trevor suck? no
is he good enough to win a SB? yes but he needs a really good team around him
Is he a special QB? imo no
(12-18-2023, 11:46 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 11:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't think anyone is saying that, but the idea that he's not going to get a second contract here is silly. He's a franchise guy and he'll likely play all his meaningful years here. If he were to go to the Market he would easily set the record for largest QB deal in history in a bidding war like none we've seen before.
That guy is asking who can do better, pretty much implying no one can.
Is Trevor elite? no
Does Trevor suck? no
is he good enough to win a SB? yes but he needs a really good team around him
Is he a special QB? imo no
I don't agree with that directly, he needs a halfway competent OL. That's all. Be able to have some semblance of a running game and give him even an average amount of time to throw and he'd be a menace even with a subpar skill position group. Which, I also think he has some good weapons already.
This entire season is on the OL.
(12-18-2023, 09:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor had his worst game in a long time yesterday.
When did the supposed concussion occur?
No clue, so he hid it during the game.
Or it got him out of talking to the media.
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(12-18-2023, 12:01 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 09:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor had his worst game in a long time yesterday.
When did the supposed concussion occur?
No clue, so he hid it during the game.
Or it got him out of talking to the media.
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I mean, no player in the NFL is going to say "hey coach I hit my head on that last play, can you guys check me for a concussion?"