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Someone pinch me. The Jaguars have Doug Pederson as their head coach and Trevor freaking Lawrence as their QB. It doesn’t get much better than that folks.

(12-29-2022, 05:51 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]Someone pinch me. The Jaguars have Doug Pederson as their head coach and Trevor freaking Lawrence as their QB. It doesn’t get much better than that folks.

Even with this QB-Coach combo, there's still room for improvement.  Just wait until this team gets a pass rush, some corners, and better ball security.

Maybe he is like Samson where the power is in his hair.

Lawrence before the hair



Lawrence after he grew his hair out

Awesome Trevor is our guy, its been a long time since I've felt truly confident in the guy under center.Bortles never impressed me,. same overall with Minshew at least in the sense of being someone who could lead us to a trophy. Gabbert still gives me nightmares when I think of him being our number 1.

(12-29-2022, 08:28 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome Trevor is our guy, its been a long time since I've felt truly confident in the guy under center.Bortles never impressed me,. same overall with Minshew at least in the sense of being someone who could lead us to a trophy. Gabbert still gives me nightmares when I think of him being our number 1.

I agree Lawrence has championship talent. I want that Super Bowl trophy as a day 1 fan back in 1993. Brunell is my all time favorite player and Lawrence is probably going to break a lot of his records. He has a chance to go down as the best Jaguar player in franchise history along with Boselli, Taylor, Smith, and Brunell. 

The tides changed when he dropped back and put and absolute bb on Zay Jones’ dinger tips on that 2 point conversion against the Ravens. We hit jackpot.

(12-29-2022, 10:06 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2022, 08:28 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome Trevor is our guy, its been a long time since I've felt truly confident in the guy under center.Bortles never impressed me,. same overall with Minshew at least in the sense of being someone who could lead us to a trophy. Gabbert still gives me nightmares when I think of him being our number 1.

I agree Lawrence has championship talent. I want that Super Bowl trophy as a day 1 fan back in 1993. Brunell is my all time favorite player and Lawrence is probably going to break a lot of his records. He has a chance to go down as the best Jaguar player in franchise history along with Boselli, Taylor, Smith, and Brunell. 

The tides changed when he dropped back and put and absolute bb on Zay Jones’ dinger tips on that 2 point conversion against the Ravens. We hit jackpot.

Brunell doesn't hold any meaningful QB records for us.

(12-29-2022, 10:06 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2022, 08:28 PM)Butters Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome Trevor is our guy, its been a long time since I've felt truly confident in the guy under center.Bortles never impressed me,. same overall with Minshew at least in the sense of being someone who could lead us to a trophy. Gabbert still gives me nightmares when I think of him being our number 1.

I agree Lawrence has championship talent. I want that Super Bowl trophy as a day 1 fan back in 1993. Brunell is my all time favorite player and Lawrence is probably going to break a lot of his records. He has a chance to go down as the best Jaguar player in franchise history along with Boselli, Taylor, Smith, and Brunell. 

The tides changed when he dropped back and put and absolute bb on Zay Jones’ dinger tips on that 2 point conversion against the Ravens. We hit jackpot.

The tides changed when he dropped back and put and absolute bb on Zay Jones’ dinger tips on that 2 point conversion against the Ravens  Frank Gore helped the Jets get a meaningless win that gifted the Jaguars a free shot at Trevor Lawrence.

(12-29-2022, 10:19 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2022, 10:06 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree Lawrence has championship talent. I want that Super Bowl trophy as a day 1 fan back in 1993. Brunell is my all time favorite player and Lawrence is probably going to break a lot of his records. He has a chance to go down as the best Jaguar player in franchise history along with Boselli, Taylor, Smith, and Brunell. 

The tides changed when he dropped back and put and absolute bb on Zay Jones’ dinger tips on that 2 point conversion against the Ravens. We hit jackpot.

Brunell doesn't hold any meaningful QB records for us.

He holds nearly every career qb record for the team. 

The shiniest turd on turd mountain is still a turd; but hey, it's the shiniest. What other turd can say that?

(12-30-2022, 12:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/NFL_Stats/status/160...rDrMSOlPFg

Bruh.... how much better would his numbers look...
And how many of those drops were pivotal in turning tides in games.

If we can clean some things up and get 1 or 2 impact players on either side of the ball we could be really good for a good while

(12-30-2022, 12:02 AM)Thewitnessofsolinvictus Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2022, 10:19 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Brunell doesn't hold any meaningful QB records for us.

He holds nearly every career qb record for the team. 

The shiniest turd on turd mountain is still a turd; but hey, it's the shiniest. What other turd can say that?

They're meaningless records.

The records that mean something are ones like passing TDs in a season. Having been the QB for the longest time isn't particularly indicative of a big impact.

(12-30-2022, 12:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/NFL_Stats/status/160...rDrMSOlPFg

I do think these numbers can mislead a little bit, because it’s not calculated as a percentage of passes. However, it does seem like we have had a pretty high number of drops

(12-30-2022, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2022, 12:02 AM)Thewitnessofsolinvictus Wrote: [ -> ]He holds nearly every career qb record for the team. 

The shiniest turd on turd mountain is still a turd; but hey, it's the shiniest. What other turd can say that?

They're meaningless records.

The records that mean something are ones like passing TDs in a season. Having been the QB for the longest time isn't particularly indicative of a big impact.

Are you saying the only meaningful QB number is passing TDs?

(12-30-2022, 08:56 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2022, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]They're meaningless records.

The records that mean something are ones like passing TDs in a season. Having been the QB for the longest time isn't particularly indicative of a big impact.

Are you saying the only meaningful QB number is passing TDs?

Let's assume that's what I was saying, what would your response be?

(12-30-2022, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2022, 12:02 AM)Thewitnessofsolinvictus Wrote: [ -> ]He holds nearly every career qb record for the team. 

The shiniest turd on turd mountain is still a turd; but hey, it's the shiniest. What other turd can say that?

They're meaningless records.

The records that mean something are ones like passing TDs in a season. Having been the QB for the longest time isn't particularly indicative of a big impact.

I'd argue even the season records may be somewhat meaningless.  Bortles owns that for yards and TDs.  NFL stats just don't have the staying power that they do in other sports.  I could make an argument that the best passing year in NFL history is Marino throwing for 5k yards in 1984.  No one threw for 5k yards again until Drew Brees did it 25 years later which is an eternity in NFL standards.  But from 2010 to now, it's been done a bunch of times.  

As far as the Jags, Brunell has the longevity records.  Bortles has some of the meaningful season records.  Lawrence should be able to easily surpass both in time.  But I still think Brunell is the best QB we've ever had based on a combination of ability and longevity with the team.  And I'd argue his 96 season was the best passing season we've ever had.  Led the league in passing yards, yards/attempt, and rushing yards by a QB.  Yea threw a bunch of picks but that was mostly in the first half of the season before our big push to the playoffs.  All NFL stats and players themselves really need to be graded in terms of how they compare to their peers and the era they played in.

(12-30-2022, 09:19 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2022, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]They're meaningless records.

The records that mean something are ones like passing TDs in a season. Having been the QB for the longest time isn't particularly indicative of a big impact.

I'd argue even the season records may be somewhat meaningless.  Bortles owns that for yards and TDs.  NFL stats just don't have the staying power that they do in other sports.  I could make an argument that the best passing year in NFL history is Marino throwing for 5k yards in 1984.  No one threw for 5k yards again until Drew Brees did it 25 years later which is an eternity in NFL standards.  But from 2010 to now, it's been done a bunch of times.  

As far as the Jags, Brunell has the longevity records.  Bortles has some of the meaningful season records.  Lawrence should be able to easily surpass both in time.  But I still think Brunell is the best QB we've ever had based on a combination of ability and longevity with the team.  And I'd argue his 96 season was the best passing season we've ever had.  Led the league in passing yards, yards/attempt, and rushing yards by a QB.  Yea threw a bunch of picks but that was mostly in the first half of the season before our big push to the playoffs.  All NFL stats and players themselves really need to be graded in terms of how they compare to their peers and the era they played in.

I appreciate your arguments, and you're right that none of the records hold much meaning between eras. That's why Brunell is best understood by comparing him with his contemporaries and accounting for the hall of fame level talent surrounding him.

He was a mid tier QB on a stacked team during his successful years. He was a major part of what kept the team from getting a Superbowl. A QB of Trevor's level on the late 90s Jaguars teams would have won at least one championship.

(12-30-2022, 02:11 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2022, 12:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/NFL_Stats/status/160...rDrMSOlPFg

Bruh.... how much better would his numbers look...
And how many of those drops were pivotal in turning tides in games.

If we can clean some things up and get 1 or 2 impact players on either side of the ball we could be really good for a good while

exspecially when you consider that at least 3 of them were drops on 30+ yard could of been TDs dropped in the endzone.  he could easily be sitting at 4200 yds and 28-30 TDs.

I just want to know who chrisjagboy's favorite QB is. The logic of he has to be a superhero as a rookie, for me to think he has a future in the league or can be a franchise player, is trash imo. We can all play devils advocat3 about all drafted players but choose not too when looking at a player through their 1st season. Hell it takes 2 to 3 to really feel confident alot of times but rookie year is where u think it's at.

I'm waiting for that answer tho. Fav QB.....

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(12-30-2022, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2022, 12:02 AM)Thewitnessofsolinvictus Wrote: [ -> ]He holds nearly every career qb record for the team. 

The shiniest turd on turd mountain is still a turd; but hey, it's the shiniest. What other turd can say that?

They're meaningless records.

The records that mean something are ones like passing TDs in a season. Having been the QB for the longest time isn't particularly indicative of a big impact.

Username checks out, down to the spelling.

(12-30-2022, 09:19 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2022, 08:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]They're meaningless records.

The records that mean something are ones like passing TDs in a season. Having been the QB for the longest time isn't particularly indicative of a big impact.

I'd argue even the season records may be somewhat meaningless.  Bortles owns that for yards and TDs.  NFL stats just don't have the staying power that they do in other sports.  I could make an argument that the best passing year in NFL history is Marino throwing for 5k yards in 1984.  No one threw for 5k yards again until Drew Brees did it 25 years later which is an eternity in NFL standards.  But from 2010 to now, it's been done a bunch of times.  

As far as the Jags, Brunell has the longevity records.  Bortles has some of the meaningful season records.  Lawrence should be able to easily surpass both in time.  But I still think Brunell is the best QB we've ever had based on a combination of ability and longevity with the team.  And I'd argue his 96 season was the best passing season we've ever had.  Led the league in passing yards, yards/attempt, and rushing yards by a QB.  Yea threw a bunch of picks but that was mostly in the first half of the season before our big push to the playoffs.  All NFL stats and players themselves really need to be graded in terms of how they compare to their peers and the era they played in.

Yeah, I think  you have  to compare quarterbacks to players of their own time.  The rules during Bortles' time and today have changed to benefit the passing game.  In his prime, Burnell went to 3 pro-bowls in 4 years and led the NFL in passing yards during one of those seasons.  Even today, he actually remains one of the top 50 NFL quarterbacks all time in career passing yards.  Despite this, I bet Lawrence does all that and much much more.