Burrow just got 5 years $275m
Highest paid player in nfl history with $219 guaranteed
Actually not that bad… 55 per year. And I don’t think anyone else is going to be leaping over that at this point. If Trevor makes the AFCCG or SB it will probably net him 56-57. If he falls short but still still makes playoffs 52-56ish depending on how deep of a run in he makes. At least that’s the ball park I would be looking at.
Balke may suck at drafting, but he is pretty slick negotiating around the cap and in FA.
Incoming 300 million for Trevor
(09-08-2023, 07:40 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Incoming 300 million for Trevor
Yeah. That was my thought. Burrow's deal is insane.
(09-08-2023, 05:30 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Burrow just got 5 years $275m
Highest paid player in nfl history with $219 guaranteed
So we're on the clock, it would seem
i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
(09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
No - less money isn't the thing. He'll get paid big unless something catastrophic happens this season.
It will be a longer than normal term contract (6 to 10 years) with flexibility written in so they can be creative about moving his money around from year to year to protect their cap (so they can keep/add other talent)
That's the home town discount we get from Trev. Flexibility about how and when he gets paid so we aren't in a bind so badly. The guarantee will be large, the structure will be a bit unique.
(09-08-2023, 10:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
No - less money isn't the thing. He'll get paid big unless something catastrophic happens this season.
It will be a longer than normal term contract (6 to 10 years) with flexibility written in so they can be creative about moving his money around from year to year to protect their cap (so they can keep/add other talent)
That's the home town discount we get from Trev. Flexibility about how and when he gets paid so we aren't in a bind so badly. The guarantee will be large, the structure will be a bit unique.
Yep. It will be done the same way that Mahomes did it imo. Trevor is getting his money.
(09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
So Burrow and Hurts are bad leaders because they got paid a lot?
(09-08-2023, 10:23 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
So Burrow and Hurts are bad leaders because they got paid a lot?
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(09-08-2023, 10:23 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
So Burrow and Hurts are bad leaders because they got paid a lot?
Of course it doesn't. At least I hope people don't have this mentality. I would be inclined to accept millions thrown my way as well. Also, you can always restructure the contract IF you need new players around you to succeed. There's been plenty of cases of this in the NFL.
(09-08-2023, 10:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
No - less money isn't the thing. He'll get paid big unless something catastrophic happens this season.
It will be a longer than normal term contract (6 to 10 years) with flexibility written in so they can be creative about moving his money around from year to year to protect their cap (so they can keep/add other talent)
That's the home town discount we get from Trev. Flexibility about how and when he gets paid so we aren't in a bind so badly. The guarantee will be large, the structure will be a bit unique.
The interesting thing is, if you give the guy a contract that says, 5 years, 250 million, for example, 50 million per year, the team can just declare any of those years to be a bonus and spread the cap hit among the remaining years, without even having to have Trevor's approval. The reason they don't need the player's approval is because the player gets his bonus up front instead of weekly during the season throughout the year. There is no sacrifice by the player. He gets paid faster, and the team gets to spread out the cap hit among the remaining years of the contract.
This is why all the hand-wringing about how we're going to have to cut players next year is misguided. Trevor's cap hit will be lower in the first years of the new contract than it is this year. Same deal with Calvin Ridley. His cap hit with a new contract will be lower next season than it is this season.
Expect $300 million folks
(09-08-2023, 11:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 10:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No - less money isn't the thing. He'll get paid big unless something catastrophic happens this season.
It will be a longer than normal term contract (6 to 10 years) with flexibility written in so they can be creative about moving his money around from year to year to protect their cap (so they can keep/add other talent)
That's the home town discount we get from Trev. Flexibility about how and when he gets paid so we aren't in a bind so badly. The guarantee will be large, the structure will be a bit unique.
The interesting thing is, if you give the guy a contract that says, 5 years, 250 million, for example, 50 million per year, the team can just declare any of those years to be a bonus and spread the cap hit among the remaining years, without even having to have Trevor's approval. The reason they don't need the player's approval is because the player gets his bonus up front instead of weekly during the season throughout the year. There is no sacrifice by the player. He gets paid faster, and the team gets to spread out the cap hit among the remaining years of the contract.
This is why all the hand-wringing about how we're going to have to cut players next year is misguided. Trevor's cap hit will be lower in the first years of the new contract than it is this year. Same deal with Calvin Ridley. His cap hit with a new contract will be lower next season than it is this season.
Yes, we've seen that play out many times.
The Mahomes deal simply took that concept and expounded upon it with added flexibility and I expect Trevor's will too.
Lawrence made reference to it in a presser in last year's post season junket. He anticipates an opportunity to cement himself as the guy here long term and to give the team flexibility simultaneously. I'd wager off the record convos with TL, his, agent and Mgmt/ownership have already occurred.
Just yesterday Pederson made reference to TL being "our quarterback" for "a lot of years." I don't think this was just typical/standard extension talk.
I think we're headed directly to an extension of 6-10 years that will afford ample opportunity to convert salary to bonus and spread it around the term of the deal with multiple such restructures occurring throughout the life of the contract. Brady's cooperation with Kraft/Bilicheck sort of paved the way for doing this with marquee players and smart GMs have paid attention. Very few get the chance to follow suit, but I believe we will.
(09-08-2023, 11:15 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Expect $300 million folks
I'm hoping for even more on a longer term deal.
(09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
I don't think any less of Joey B's, Herbs', or Mahomes' leadership when they set the market. It's not like they suddenly became more selfish or childish when time came for a new deal to get done.
A lot of this comes down to agency. A decent agent is going to want to maximize the deal for his client now for the benefit of his other clients later (well, for his cut of the clients' deals, if we're being truly transparent.). I don't think TLaw or his representatives will make negotiations ugly, but I am quite certain that the deal will somehow exceed what we've seen recently. And I don't think the team will be miserly about their offers or attempts to find the magic number to get the deal done.
(09-08-2023, 10:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 09:29 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]i think Trevor is a better leader than that, and will take alot less money if it means the team will be able to put players around him for longer.
No - less money isn't the thing. He'll get paid big unless something catastrophic happens this season.
It will be a longer than normal term contract (6 to 10 years) with flexibility written in so they can be creative about moving his money around from year to year to protect their cap (so they can keep/add other talent)
That's the home town discount we get from Trev. Flexibility about how and when he gets paid so we aren't in a bind so badly. The guarantee will be large, the structure will be a bit unique.
This I could see.
(09-08-2023, 11:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 10:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No - less money isn't the thing. He'll get paid big unless something catastrophic happens this season.
It will be a longer than normal term contract (6 to 10 years) with flexibility written in so they can be creative about moving his money around from year to year to protect their cap (so they can keep/add other talent)
That's the home town discount we get from Trev. Flexibility about how and when he gets paid so we aren't in a bind so badly. The guarantee will be large, the structure will be a bit unique.
The interesting thing is, if you give the guy a contract that says, 5 years, 250 million, for example, 50 million per year, the team can just declare any of those years to be a bonus and spread the cap hit among the remaining years, without even having to have Trevor's approval. The reason they don't need the player's approval is because the player gets his bonus up front instead of weekly during the season throughout the year. There is no sacrifice by the player. He gets paid faster, and the team gets to spread out the cap hit among the remaining years of the contract.
This is why all the hand-wringing about how we're going to have to cut players next year is misguided. Trevor's cap hit will be lower in the first years of the new contract than it is this year. Same deal with Calvin Ridley. His cap hit with a new contract will be lower next season than it is this season.
The player does have to agree to the contract structure, and no, the team can't just declare part of the salary as a bonus after the fact.
That would be a restructure, and while it does happen, it usually comes with some give to offset the take. Say, an added year on the deal, some extra guarantees, etc. that would incentivize the player to re-do the deal. Nothing comes for free.
I think the guarantees in the deal speak more than the bonuses - guarantees ensure that the team is going to honor the middle years more than they might if it were only bonus-heavy; additionally that's the point when team and player tend to reevaluate whether the player merits a renegotiation to extend the contract or alter the remaining salary structure to lessen the blow of the original deal. We might see 300 mil, no telling. But I fully expect his guarantees to exceed Watson (230M), who is currently the top in that category.
(09-08-2023, 03:34 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2023, 11:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The interesting thing is, if you give the guy a contract that says, 5 years, 250 million, for example, 50 million per year, the team can just declare any of those years to be a bonus and spread the cap hit among the remaining years, without even having to have Trevor's approval. The reason they don't need the player's approval is because the player gets his bonus up front instead of weekly during the season throughout the year. There is no sacrifice by the player. He gets paid faster, and the team gets to spread out the cap hit among the remaining years of the contract.
This is why all the hand-wringing about how we're going to have to cut players next year is misguided. Trevor's cap hit will be lower in the first years of the new contract than it is this year. Same deal with Calvin Ridley. His cap hit with a new contract will be lower next season than it is this season.
The player does have to agree to the contract structure, and no, the team can't just declare part of the salary as a bonus after the fact.
That would be a restructure, and while it does happen, it usually comes with some give to offset the take. Say, an added year on the deal, some extra guarantees, etc. that would incentivize the player to re-do the deal. Nothing comes for free.
I think the guarantees in the deal speak more than the bonuses - guarantees ensure that the team is going to honor the middle years more than they might if it were only bonus-heavy; additionally that's the point when team and player tend to reevaluate whether the player merits a renegotiation to extend the contract or alter the remaining salary structure to lessen the blow of the original deal. We might see 300 mil, no telling. But I fully expect his guarantees to exceed Watson (230M), who is currently the top in that category.
I think you're wrong. I do believe the team can simply declare salary to be bonus without the consent of the player. It's called a simple restructure and it happens all the time. There's no reason they would need the consent of the player. They're just paying him faster than they would have otherwise.
It's correct that the simple restructure doesn't require the player's agreement.
(09-08-2023, 11:15 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Expect $300 million folks
Trevor is not on Burrow's level yet. Hopefully this year he will be.