(12-26-2023, 11:37 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 09:04 AM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]Beathard should be starting for Purdy
haha....
I've got a good buddy who is a Niners fan and we've talked about how if Purdy and Lawrence had switched teams at the beginning of the year then both teams would be worse off. Purdy is in a really unique position where the talent around him is top tier at almost all positions. It's not fair to dismiss what he has done because you need a guy who is very accurate and an extremely quick decision maker to run that offense as well as he has. But as we saw last night and in previous games when they had their losing streak, he hasn't done well outside that framework when the gameplan changes either due to injuries, being out physical-ed, or when just falling behind. It feels like he needs that supporting cast but his skillset also seems like a great fit for that supporting cast. While I think nearly every QB in the league would do better if they were the Niners QB because of all those great players, I don't think Lawrence would run it as well as Purdy has because Lawrence can lose his accuracy at times and not sure if he scans the field as quickly.
On the otherhand, I think Purdy would be a disaster as the Jags QB. We have arguably the worst rushing attack in the league. Statistically we are far and away the worst team in the league in running screens. Two things that the Niners thrive at and which are the basis of their entire offense. There is nothing about his game that makes me think those two areas would be improved merely by having him as our QB. And I'm picturing him on unfavorable down and distances having to avoid the pass rush while making throws down the field with WRs who statistically aren't great at getting separation and have a propensity to drop passes. That is not playing to his strengths in the slightest and it'd be a terrible fit.
It's easy to look at stats and it's easy to come up with QB rankings, but realistically it is such a team game and every player is so reliant on the teammates around them, it's impossible to really say who is the best unless everyone is in a similar situation. And even then, every QB has their own strengths and weaknesses and would perform differently depending on the offensive philosophy. Even god king Mahomes all of a sudden looks more average and he still has per pff one of the top 5 pass blocking offensive lines, a hall of fame tight end, a hall of fame coach / offensive guru, and a running game that is still top half of the league in EPA. But he finally gets stuck with a receiving core that doesnt have tyreek hill and the wheels are coming off.
My son and I were talking about his same scenario yesterday. However, we think Lawrence would have done really well in SF because his development timeline would have been faster and better quality because he wouldn't have had to take a bad O line into consideration during development. The Jags organization, in many ways, impeded Lawrence's development. Purdy would be a bloody ruined mess by now behind our line.
Everyone has learned one thing about Mahomes, he's whiny when things don't go his way.
Yeah, Lawrence would have gotten professional-level coaching and a run game in SF. He would flourish. Purdy would be a beaten to hell former Mr. Irrelevant and would be completely irrelevant in Jacksonville, but carry on.
(12-26-2023, 12:05 PM)ClemsonRob Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, Lawrence would have gotten professional-level coaching and a run game in SF. He would flourish. Purdy would be a beaten to hell former Mr. Irrelevant and would be completely irrelevant in Jacksonville, but carry on.
We could probably find 13 different NFL franchise scenarios that would have played better for Lawrence than starting out with Urban Meyer and then moving to a better staff with an incompetent OL.
It's a recipe for disaster that he's been hard pressed to find any success in.
(12-26-2023, 10:56 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 09:35 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's a shame you can't see the talent difference between those teams on both sides of the ball. I think the 98 Jags linemen could whip this group tomorrow.
Brunell had a better team around him but he was a better QB at his peak than Trevor to this point. It’s not to say that Trevor doesn’t have the capacity to exceed Brunell at some point, he does but it hasn’t happened yet.
Well, in year 3 Brunell was a back up who took over for the starter. He didn't peak for a few more seasons after that. Lawrence will end up the better QB by far so long as the moron in the GM chair fixes the line problem.
(12-26-2023, 12:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 12:05 PM)ClemsonRob Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, Lawrence would have gotten professional-level coaching and a run game in SF. He would flourish. Purdy would be a beaten to hell former Mr. Irrelevant and would be completely irrelevant in Jacksonville, but carry on.
We could probably find 13 different NFL franchise scenarios that would have played better for Lawrence than starting out with Urban Meyer and then moving to a better staff with an incompetent OL.
It's a recipe for disaster that he's been hard pressed to find any success in.
I'd like to suggest a new user class for the message board.
You know how new users have to have their first few posts approved before everyone sees them? Make a troll user class and put all the people that wait for Trevor to have a bad day into it, and if they only show up to post that stuff go ahead and flush it. Then they won't get their weird satisfaction from posting troll stuff. If they want to talk actual football at other times for an extended period they can leave the troll hole, but for most you and the other mods can laugh at them as they fail to get the attention they crave.
He leads the league in turnovers. Nuff said
(12-26-2023, 02:47 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 12:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]We could probably find 13 different NFL franchise scenarios that would have played better for Lawrence than starting out with Urban Meyer and then moving to a better staff with an incompetent OL.
It's a recipe for disaster that he's been hard pressed to find any success in.
I'd like to suggest a new user class for the message board.
You know how new users have to have their first few posts approved before everyone sees them? Make a troll user class and put all the people that wait for Trevor to have a bad day into it, and if they only show up to post that stuff go ahead and flush it. Then they won't get their weird satisfaction from posting troll stuff. If they want to talk actual football at other times for an extended period they can leave the troll hole, but for most you and the other mods can laugh at them as they fail to get the attention they crave.
Seconded.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment...o_awkward/
Doesn’t absolve Trevor of blame but indicates two things
1. These clowns really think Trevor should be putting monster stats and is the problem, have no idea how bad it is around him these past few games
2. Trevor shouldn’t have started. He didn’t practice. That’s not to say he could easily hand wave these receivers into getting it, but practice helps people be on the same page
(12-26-2023, 03:02 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 02:47 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to suggest a new user class for the message board.
You know how new users have to have their first few posts approved before everyone sees them? Make a troll user class and put all the people that wait for Trevor to have a bad day into it, and if they only show up to post that stuff go ahead and flush it. Then they won't get their weird satisfaction from posting troll stuff. If they want to talk actual football at other times for an extended period they can leave the troll hole, but for most you and the other mods can laugh at them as they fail to get the attention they crave.
Seconded.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment...o_awkward/
Doesn’t absolve Trevor of blame but indicates two things
1. These clowns really think Trevor should be putting monster stats and is the problem, have no idea how bad it is around him these past few games
2. Trevor shouldn’t have started. He didn’t practice. That’s not to say he could easily hand wave these receivers into getting it, but practice helps people be on the same page
Hand signals to change the play for backup WRs with a QB who hasn't practiced with them?
Who would have thought something bad could happen? These coaches continue to not adjust to the players on the field.
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https://twitter.com/samkouvaris/status/1...spGSA&s=19
Assuming we miss the playoffs, there will be sacrificial lamb cuts amongst the coaching staff. Have to think Chad Hall would be near the top if not the very top. No idea if it's his fault we've had so much miscommunication by Wrs leading to INTs but someone needs to be held accountable for it.
Have to think Rauscher is an obvious choice as well.
Going to have to let him fight through whatever he has going on physically and mentally. And its on him to figure it out.
Its on him to call his oline together and do film work till 11 PM on a zoom call
Its on him to get a couple hours with the WRs after practice and hammer out the timing and comms
Its on him to get his intensity and focus level up
Its on him to engage every single player on that team and help them get their intensity and focus level up
Whatever he and the team are doing, its not enough. In his own words, they dont look like they are even practicing.
(12-26-2023, 03:14 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/samkouvaris/status/1...spGSA&s=19
Assuming we miss the playoffs, there will be sacrificial lamb cuts amongst the coaching staff. Have to think Chad Hall would be near the top if not the very top. No idea if it's his fault we've had so much miscommunication by Wrs leading to INTs but someone needs to be held accountable for it.
Have to think Rauscher is an obvious choice as well.
Baalke's scalp would be sufficient, if Doug believes others need to go then that's fine, too, but no need to dump coaches Doug believes in because they don't have enough talent in their position group.
Baalke and Taylor have to go. Simple as that
(12-26-2023, 03:14 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/samkouvaris/status/1...spGSA&s=19
Assuming we miss the playoffs, there will be sacrificial lamb cuts amongst the coaching staff. Have to think Chad Hall would be near the top if not the very top. No idea if it's his fault we've had so much miscommunication by Wrs leading to INTs but someone needs to be held accountable for it.
Have to think Rauscher is an obvious choice as well.
If it is veteran receivers missing calls, then the OC and HC should be able to evaluate whether it is a position coach problem or players not being disciplined in their process pre-snap. If it is rookies/backups - it is less of a concern but still a concern.
Regarding Rauscher - for all we as fans know - he may be in coaching meetings screaming and pleading for a new scheme and roster additions. So it's pretty tough from our perspective to pin it on him. He's definitely not getting acceptable results from what he has available right now though. Gotta weigh that out.
If we're talking about coaches getting fired the first on the list should be Caldwell. His defense is getting worse, not better.
(12-26-2023, 04:17 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]If we're talking about coaches getting fired the first on the list should be Caldwell. His defense is getting worse, not better.
Really all of our coaches suck right now. Let the new GM decide who he wants to keep and if Doug isnt able to work with him he can go too.
(12-26-2023, 01:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 10:56 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Brunell had a better team around him but he was a better QB at his peak than Trevor to this point. It’s not to say that Trevor doesn’t have the capacity to exceed Brunell at some point, he does but it hasn’t happened yet.
Well, in year 3 Brunell was a back up who took over for the starter. He didn't peak for a few more seasons after that. Lawrence will end up the better QB by far so long as the moron in the GM chair fixes the line problem.
He does have the potential for that and I hope for the sake of the franchise that he surpasses Brunell by a large margin.
And improved line will help Lawrence and the run game both. It’s been our Achilles’ Heel lately,
(12-26-2023, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 04:17 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]If we're talking about coaches getting fired the first on the list should be Caldwell. His defense is getting worse, not better.
Really all of our coaches suck right now. Let the new GM decide who he wants to keep and if Doug isnt able to work with him he can go too.
Lol, GMs don't pick assistants man, do you not follow anything about how pro teams are run? And you'd freaking trust BAALKE to pick them? Seriously?
(12-26-2023, 05:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Really all of our coaches suck right now. Let the new GM decide who he wants to keep and if Doug isnt able to work with him he can go too.
Lol, GMs don't pick assistants man, do you not follow anything about how pro teams are run? And you'd freaking trust BAALKE to pick them? Seriously?
Im talking about let the GM decide if he wants to keep Doug. Most GMs get to decide on which coach they want unless you are the Cowboys and a few others. Do you understand how pro teams are run?
(12-26-2023, 05:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 05:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, GMs don't pick assistants man, do you not follow anything about how pro teams are run? And you'd freaking trust BAALKE to pick them? Seriously?
Im talking about let the GM decide if he wants to keep Doug. Most GMs get to decide on which coach they want unless you are the Cowboys and a few others. Do you understand how pro teams are run?
Since you aren't being specific:
Do you mean a
new GM?
And do you think that if they hire a new GM, they'd hire one to make a decision on Doug rather than hire one they believe will be best suited to working with Doug?
(12-26-2023, 05:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 05:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Im talking about let the GM decide if he wants to keep Doug. Most GMs get to decide on which coach they want unless you are the Cowboys and a few others. Do you understand how pro teams are run?
Since you aren't being specific:
Do you mean a new GM?
And do you think that if they hire a new GM, they'd hire one to make a decision on Doug rather than hire one they believe will be best suited to working with Doug?
Im saying when we get a new GM, let him decide if he wants to keep Doug. I think If Doug tells the new GM that he wants to keep Press and that Press will remain the play caller along with keeping Caldwell, Rauscher etc. that the new GM will go a different route. This is exactly what happened in Philly I just didnt think it would happen this soon. I dont see Doug making any changes at season end. To answer the question I think we need to find the best GM regardless, I havent even looked to see who is out there but if we lose to Carolina im going to start digging into it. Doug was also the coach when Philly selected Reagor over JJ, im sure he had input on that and it wasnt a good look when JJ was about to set the rookie record and Reagor was trash.