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(02-07-2024, 11:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...3768574977

And once again, what is this made up graph supposed to show us?

(02-08-2024, 01:05 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 11:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...3768574977

And once again, what is this made up graph supposed to show us?

It shows accuracy and big time throws exactly what it says.

What would be neat is if during this interview Matt Foley (Chris Farley) shoulders Trevor out of the way and yells into the camera, “Hey, Trent Baalke, why can’t you pull your head out of your [BLEEP] long enough to get Trevor some offensive line protection! You belong in a van…down by the river!”

One can only dream.

(02-08-2024, 01:05 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 11:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...3768574977

And once again, what is this made up graph supposed to show us?

Which of the words are tripping you up?

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(02-07-2024, 11:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...3768574977

I posted another stat re the big time throws but I think it was potential ints, it shows you he is there or there abouts as well. 

Let’s just help him win, he’s bringing home a Lombardi.

(02-08-2024, 01:26 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-08-2024, 01:05 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]And once again, what is this made up graph supposed to show us?

It shows accuracy and big time throws exactly what it says.

Words and numbers are hard.

(02-08-2024, 01:05 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2024, 11:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...3768574977

And once again, what is this made up graph supposed to show us?

It shows us that Dak Prescott is the best arm in the league.  By a long, long way.

And that Russell Wilson had a superstar year at Denver.  The graph is unindictable.

And that Lamar Jackson is almost perfectly average in the league.  And that Stroud was a hack, amongst the worst performers.  Purdy?  A little better than average but barely.


What this graph shows us is that we can cherry pick, ignore all context, and use that mindset to convince ourselves of anything.

(02-08-2024, 01:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What would be neat is if during this interview Matt Foley (Chris Farley) shoulders Trevor out of the way and yells into the camera, “Hey, Trent Baalke, why can’t you pull your head out of your [BLEEP] long enough to get Trevor some offensive line protection! You belong in a van…down by the river!”

One can only dream.

Wanna feel old?

Chris Farley died 2 years before Trevor was born.

(02-08-2024, 02:16 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-08-2024, 01:05 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]And once again, what is this made up graph supposed to show us?

It shows us that Dak Prescott is the best arm in the league.  By a long, long way.

And that Russell Wilson had a superstar year at Denver.  The graph is unindictable.

And that Lamar Jackson is almost perfectly average in the league.  And that Stroud was a hack, amongst the worst performers.  Purdy?  A little better than average but barely.


What this graph shows us is that we can cherry pick, ignore all context, and use that mindset to convince ourselves of anything.

Ding ding ding.

I wanted to hear what other people see. Cuz I could make all sorts of arguments based on that nonsense graph someone pulled out of their A$s.

Like you mentioned - Dak is the man - and Minshew is the worst qb in the league lol. It’s nonsense and meaningless.

(02-08-2024, 04:37 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-08-2024, 02:16 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]It shows us that Dak Prescott is the best arm in the league.  By a long, long way.

And that Russell Wilson had a superstar year at Denver.  The graph is unindictable.

And that Lamar Jackson is almost perfectly average in the league.  And that Stroud was a hack, amongst the worst performers.  Purdy?  A little better than average but barely.


What this graph shows us is that we can cherry pick, ignore all context, and use that mindset to convince ourselves of anything.

Ding ding ding.

I wanted to hear what other people see. Cuz I could make all sorts of arguments based on that nonsense graph someone pulled out of their A$s.

Like you mentioned - Dak is the man - and Minshew is the worst qb in the league lol. It’s nonsense and meaningless.

Congrats! You're agreeing with one of the most popular trolls on the board. Well done.

And, because you clearly don't understand this next point, this graph is just one piece to a puzzle. You gather information from a variety of sources and then draw your own conclusions.

Well to be fair, I'm not sure how analytical "Big Time Throw %" is, without any further definition. Distance? Down situation? Point situation? Looked cool on gamefilm situation?

*shrugs shoulders*

(02-08-2024, 06:42 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Well to be fair, I'm not sure how analytical "Big Time Throw %" is, without any further definition. Distance? Down situation? Point situation? Looked cool on gamefilm situation?

*shrugs shoulders*

The answers are there if you do a little research.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-qb-grad...l-there-is

Again. This isn’t the end all be all but it’s a tool to help add to your evaluation.

I’m not knowledgeable enough to give my opinion on what Trevor’s contract will be. I think a few posters on here can be a little too hard on him or maybe he is a victim of his hype to a degree. Trevor, to me, is the best QB the Jaguars have ever had. He’s 24 years old and yeah this last season sucked but we went from picking back to back at #1 to back to back winning seasons once he was paired with Doug. Trevor can improve and all evidence points to him being a hard working, smart guy that will, in all likelihood, improve. He also is currently packaged with tons of experience for a 24yr old pro athlete.

Another thing that I always keep in mind is that we were a couple of plays from picking #2 that year and potentially pairing Urban Meyer with Zach Wilson. Whatever you determine our success level to have been these last couple of years - I have nearly zero doubt that it would have been replicated or surpassed by any other player that we could have drafted with that selection.

I get the debate to be had around his potential extension (to a degree) but it’s been clear to me that we have our guy and now it’s up to the rest of the organization to build rosters around his talents on offense and let’s make some runs at the chip the next 12yrs. He seems to embrace being the QB of this team and embraces this city. I think the QB position is the least of our worries for a long time going forward.

(02-08-2024, 07:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-08-2024, 06:42 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Well to be fair, I'm not sure how analytical "Big Time Throw %" is, without any further definition. Distance? Down situation? Point situation? Looked cool on gamefilm situation?

*shrugs shoulders*

The answers are there if you do a little research.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-qb-grad...l-there-is

Again. This isn’t the end all be all but it’s a tool to help add to your evaluation.

Read it, but my there are no real answers in that article.  They try to enumerate their opinion as to what a "big time throw" is, but there are no real numbers that are presented.  My general rule of thumb is that if Geno Smith is as close to the perfect QB as Patrick Mahomes, and with (sitting out so he could be cut) Russel Wilson clobbering them both, you're looking at the wrong chart.  This is not a "tool" it's nonsense.

(02-08-2024, 08:57 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-08-2024, 07:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The answers are there if you do a little research.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-qb-grad...l-there-is

Again. This isn’t the end all be all but it’s a tool to help add to your evaluation.

Read it, but my there are no real answers in that article.  They try to enumerate their opinion as to what a "big time throw" is, but there are no real numbers that are presented.  My general rule of thumb is that if Geno Smith is as close to the perfect QB as Patrick Mahomes, and with (sitting out so he could be cut) Russel Wilson clobbering them both, you're looking at the wrong chart.  This is not a "tool" it's nonsense.

Did you watch Mahomes play this year? The entire regular season he was a shell of himself. Dak also was pretty incredible in the regular season. 

We all know Geno isn’t better than Mahomes. But it’s ok to acknowledge his play during the regular season wasn’t very good.

(02-08-2024, 10:01 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-08-2024, 08:57 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Read it, but my there are no real answers in that article.  They try to enumerate their opinion as to what a "big time throw" is, but there are no real numbers that are presented.  My general rule of thumb is that if Geno Smith is as close to the perfect QB as Patrick Mahomes, and with (sitting out so he could be cut) Russel Wilson clobbering them both, you're looking at the wrong chart.  This is not a "tool" it's nonsense.

Did you watch Mahomes play this year? The entire regular season he was a shell of himself. Dak also was pretty incredible in the regular season. 

We all know Geno isn’t better than Mahomes. But it’s ok to acknowledge his play during the regular season wasn’t very good.

The general assessment is that his down year was a lack of quality WRs... and the pff article says that it removes WRs performance in the stats. SMH

(02-08-2024, 05:08 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-08-2024, 04:37 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Ding ding ding.

I wanted to hear what other people see. Cuz I could make all sorts of arguments based on that nonsense graph someone pulled out of their A$s.

Like you mentioned - Dak is the man - and Minshew is the worst qb in the league lol. It’s nonsense and meaningless.

Congrats! You're agreeing with one of the most popular trolls on the board. Well done.

And, because you clearly don't understand this next point, this graph is just one piece to a puzzle. You gather information from a variety of sources and then draw your own conclusions.

Well, I want to hear your interpretation of the graph. Let’s hear it.

I think it’s a bunch of crap a monkey threw at a wall. 
What do you think this graphs means for Trevor in the context of the other QBs?

(02-08-2024, 08:49 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not knowledgeable enough to give my opinion on what Trevor’s contract will be. I think a few posters on here can be a little too hard on him or maybe he is a victim of his hype to a degree. Trevor, to me, is the best QB the Jaguars have ever had. He’s 24 years old and yeah this last season sucked but we went from picking back to back at #1 to back to back winning seasons once he was paired with Doug.  Trevor can improve and all evidence points to him being a hard working, smart guy that will, in all likelihood, improve. He also is currently packaged with tons of experience for a 24yr old pro athlete.

Another thing that I always keep in mind is that we were a couple of plays from picking #2 that year and potentially pairing Urban Meyer with Zach Wilson. Whatever you determine our success level to have been these last couple of years - I have nearly zero doubt that it would have been replicated or surpassed by any other player that we could have drafted with that selection.

I get the debate to be had around his potential extension (to a degree) but it’s been clear to me that we have our guy and now it’s up to the rest of the organization to build rosters around his talents on offense and let’s make some runs at the chip the next 12yrs. He seems to embrace being the QB of this team and embraces this city. I think the QB position is the least of our worries for a long time going forward.

rec this to the moon, folks.

(02-08-2024, 08:49 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not knowledgeable enough to give my opinion on what Trevor’s contract will be. I think a few posters on here can be a little too hard on him or maybe he is a victim of his hype to a degree. Trevor, to me, is the best QB the Jaguars have ever had. He’s 24 years old and yeah this last season sucked but we went from picking back to back at #1 to back to back winning seasons once he was paired with Doug.  Trevor can improve and all evidence points to him being a hard working, smart guy that will, in all likelihood, improve. He also is currently packaged with tons of experience for a 24yr old pro athlete.

Another thing that I always keep in mind is that we were a couple of plays from picking #2 that year and potentially pairing Urban Meyer with Zach Wilson. Whatever you determine our success level to have been these last couple of years - I have nearly zero doubt that it would have been replicated or surpassed by any other player that we could have drafted with that selection.

I get the debate to be had around his potential extension (to a degree) but it’s been clear to me that we have our guy and now it’s up to the rest of the organization to build rosters around his talents on offense and let’s make some runs at the chip the next 12yrs. He seems to embrace being the QB of this team and embraces this city. I think the QB position is the least of our worries for a long time going forward.

This is honestly the most logical, and, sound take on Lawrence at the moment for what I would say, probably, 85% of the fanbase. I think year four is going to be the pivotal benchmark for him because he has two narratives that are going to work against him, regardless of whether or not Baalke fixes the personnel issues along the offensive line, and, regardless of who the play caller is. 

1. Turnovers. 
2. Gunslinging too much. 

Those are the two most important aspects to his game that need to change entering year four of his NFL career. Regardless of circumstances around him. He has to protect the football when he's slinging it and when he's in the pocket or running around with it. He has to also stop looking for the heavyweight knockout punches most of the time and just take the easy body blows underneath that the defense is allowing so we can live to see another set of downs. 

This is something he recently acknowledged in an interview this week. When asked about the "Game Manager" title some QB's get. Every QB manages the game. You have to be aware of down and distance, game clock, situational football and when to play it safe. He had his issues with this throughout the year. He personally blundered some opportunities to add points onto the board by not keeping these fundamental principles in mind. 

This is also on Doug as well though. With the gambling nonsense on 4th downs before half time, etc. It's often said that your QB is an extension of the head coach. If we're being honest? Doug's tendencies to roll the dice, gamble the house and put it all out there on the line in 4th down situations is exactly how Lawrence has played over the last two years. 

2022? We had ALL the luck in the world. 
2023? We had NO luck at all. 

This is the life of a gambler.