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When I hear “team friendly” deal I don’t hear less money, I hear that the player is ok with spreading the money out so the cap has some breathing room.

(04-22-2024, 08:46 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]When I hear “team friendly” deal I don’t hear less money, I hear that the player is ok with spreading the money out so the cap has some breathing room.

In my opinion, "team friendly" has to mean less overall money.  Any long-term NFL contract has the ability to be shifted, and it's usually in the players favor to do it.  If you take a simple hypothetical contract where guaranteed money is 10M per year, and non-guaranteed is an additional 10 for 5 years"

Year 1: 10M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed
Year 2: 10M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed
Year 3: 10M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed
Year 4: 10M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed
Year 5: 10M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed

If a team decides it wants/needs extra money in year 3, they will take the 10 non-guaranteed salary, guarantee it then move it into the remaining years:

Year 1: 10M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed
Year 2: 10M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed
Year 3: 10M guaranteed - 2M non-guaranteed
Year 4: 14M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed
Year 5: 14M guaranteed - 10M non-guaranteed

The player likes it because they get more guaranteed money, the team likes it (for now) because they opened up 8M in salary cap space in year 3, but at the end of the day shifting the cap dollars just means you have to make it up later.  (This gets a little trickier with the total salary cap going up each year, but the point stays the same when comparing to other teams.)  The above is simply how ALL NFL contracts can work and adjusted per year.  

To me "team friendly" means that you're lowering the total amount of money (guaranteed and/or non-guaranteed) owed:

Year 1: 9M guaranteed - 9M non-guaranteed
Year 2: 9M guaranteed - 9M non-guaranteed
Year 3: 9M guaranteed - 9M non-guaranteed
Year 4: 9M guaranteed - 9M non-guaranteed
Year 5: 9M guaranteed - 9M non-guaranteed

In this case the team has an extra 10M during the contract duration to sign another long-term player.

So Lawrence will likely get his 5th year option at or before May 2nd at $21,978,000, unless a deal is hammered out just after the draft. link

There is something interesting about having your QB tied up for two years at the salary cap cost of $33,685,019 (2024 - $11,707,019, and 2025 $21,978,000,) that is well below the top of the market QB yearly salary. Obviously those lower cap numbers are used in the new contract negotiation, but based on the top QB salaries it doesn't seem to impact the total number in the year-to-year salary as much as you would think.  Looking at the top QB contracts, you would expect to see QBs in their 3rd contract at the top of the list (no more rookie cheap years included in the negotiation), but that's not the case.  link

Trevor might not want to stay since the Jags seem determined to get him hurt.

Can't even take an OL in top 2 rounds after being behind one of worst OL in the league smh

We better have the medical cab ready

(04-27-2024, 09:12 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1...2753122454

And water is wet

Well, Trevor has to be feeling pretty good knowing he is getting 25 million year 5 either way

(04-27-2024, 10:53 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Trevor has to be feeling pretty good knowing he is getting 25 million year 5 either way

Or his heirs will if there's injuries to the center and guard positions.

Trying not to repeat myself and others, but I feel like the Jags biggest team issue is that Pederson truly believes that last years starting 5, plus Morse (who as Caldrac posted, "Who [was] honestly was middling by all accounts in Buffalo last year.") is good enough.

"Our best five didn't start until the season finale."  -- Pederson.  It seems the only OL draft pick is a swing-tackle to compete with Little (???).  Now Pederson knows more about football than any one here, so he HAS to expect that there will be OL injuries during the 17 game season.  If I could summon a question into his press conference (and get an honest answer), it would be this, "If one of your IOL gets hurt during the 2024, do you expect Trevor to have enough time to pass the ball to his 2nd or 3rd WR read?"

(04-28-2024, 12:48 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Trying not to repeat myself and others, but I feel like the Jags biggest team issue is that Pederson truly believes that last years starting 5, plus Morse (who as Caldrac posted, "Who [was] honestly was middling by all accounts in Buffalo last year.") is good enough.

"Our best five didn't start until the season finale."  -- Pederson.  It seems the only OL draft pick is a swing-tackle to compete with Little (???).  Now Pederson knows more about football than any one here, so he HAS to expect that there will be OL injuries during the 17 game season.  If I could summon a question into his press conference (and get an honest answer), it would be this, "If one of your IOL gets hurt during the 2024, do you expect Trevor to have enough time to pass the ball to his 2nd or 3rd WR read?"

The starting 5 is good enough.  The problem will be if Morse gets hurt and Fortner has to come in.

(04-28-2024, 12:55 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 12:48 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Trying not to repeat myself and others, but I feel like the Jags biggest team issue is that Pederson truly believes that last years starting 5, plus Morse (who as Caldrac posted, "Who [was] honestly was middling by all accounts in Buffalo last year.") is good enough.

"Our best five didn't start until the season finale."  -- Pederson.  It seems the only OL draft pick is a swing-tackle to compete with Little (???).  Now Pederson knows more about football than any one here, so he HAS to expect that there will be OL injuries during the 17 game season.  If I could summon a question into his press conference (and get an honest answer), it would be this, "If one of your IOL gets hurt during the 2024, do you expect Trevor to have enough time to pass the ball to his 2nd or 3rd WR read?"

The starting 5 is good enough.  The problem will be if Morse gets hurt and Fortner has to come in.

Yea good enough is what we want for our franchise QB that was injured last year.

(04-28-2024, 12:56 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 12:55 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The starting 5 is good enough.  The problem will be if Morse gets hurt and Fortner has to come in.

Yea good enough is what we want for our franchise QB that was injured last year.

Want?  I want an elite oline and the best oline in the league.  You can want in one hand.

(04-28-2024, 12:56 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 12:55 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The starting 5 is good enough.  The problem will be if Morse gets hurt and Fortner has to come in.

Yea good enough is what we want for our franchise QB that was injured last year.

You just need solid players who understand how to work together to have a quality line, you just can't have a bunch of injuries that prevents the line from developing any cohesion and an extremely weak spots like we had at C.

That was the biggest issue with our line last year. An abnormal amount of injuries and a liability at Center.

Some of the best Olines the Jags ever had didn't have a single pro bowl player. They just didn't have any bad players and stayed relatively healthy.

They were just a group of good enough players that worked well together.

(04-28-2024, 12:48 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Trying not to repeat myself and others, but I feel like the Jags biggest team issue is that Pederson truly believes that last years starting 5, plus Morse (who as Caldrac posted, "Who [was] honestly was middling by all accounts in Buffalo last year.") is good enough.

"Our best five didn't start until the season finale."  -- Pederson.  It seems the only OL draft pick is a swing-tackle to compete with Little (???).  Now Pederson knows more about football than any one here, so he HAS to expect that there will be OL injuries during the 17 game season.  If I could summon a question into his press conference (and get an honest answer), it would be this, "If one of your IOL gets hurt during the 2024, do you expect Trevor to have enough time to pass the ball to his 2nd or 3rd WR read?"

The "starting LG" wasn't until even on the team until week ten and didn't start until week 11 and he played through an injury that he probably should not have. 

Trying to act like that position isn't improved by re-signing him is pretty stupid. He has a track record of top tier guard performance prior to the injury and there's nothing to suggest he can't return to form.

But you just keep blurting out the same bull [BLEEP] ignoring the signing completely. 

What Pedreron is counting on is that Morse will be what he's always been - which is [BLEEP] miles and miles better than Fortner. And that Cleveland will be what he was pre-injury. Which is miles better than any of the 4 other LGs we tried to start last year. 

That ^ in itself will return the run game to some degree of functionality as those positions have been the clear weak spots for 2 years ongoing. (I started a thread on LG/C poor play in 2022 mid-season) 

The under 2 second pressures coming from the gap responsibility of those two - and their constant push backward into the pocket was a major problem for Lawrence's nearly complete lack of a pocket last year. He should not be off script as often as a result of these moves. 

The whole "they didn't do anything but add a Center with concussion history" is disingenuous or ignorant. 
Take your pick.

(04-28-2024, 01:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 12:48 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Trying not to repeat myself and others, but I feel like the Jags biggest team issue is that Pederson truly believes that last years starting 5, plus Morse (who as Caldrac posted, "Who [was] honestly was middling by all accounts in Buffalo last year.") is good enough.

"Our best five didn't start until the season finale."  -- Pederson.  It seems the only OL draft pick is a swing-tackle to compete with Little (???).  Now Pederson knows more about football than any one here, so he HAS to expect that there will be OL injuries during the 17 game season.  If I could summon a question into his press conference (and get an honest answer), it would be this, "If one of your IOL gets hurt during the 2024, do you expect Trevor to have enough time to pass the ball to his 2nd or 3rd WR read?"

The "starting LG" wasn't until even on the team until week ten and didn't start until week 11 and he played through an injury that he probably should not have. 

Trying to act like that position isn't improved by re-signing him is pretty stupid. He has a track record of top tier guard performance prior to the injury and there's nothing to suggest he can't return to form.

But you just keep blurting out the same bull [BLEEP] ignoring the signing completely. 

What Pedreron is counting on is that Morse will be what he's always been - which is [BLEEP] miles and miles better than Fortner. And that Cleveland will be what he was pre-injury. Which is miles better than any of the 4 other LGs we tried to start last year. 

That ^ in itself will return the run game to some degree of functionality as those positions have been the clear weak spots for 2 years ongoing. (I started a thread on LG/C poor play in 2022 mid-season) 

The under 2 second pressures coming from the gap responsibility of those two - and their constant push backward into the pocket was a major problem for Lawrence's nearly complete lack of a pocket last year. He should not be off script as often as a result of these moves. 

The whole "they didn't do anything but add a Center with concussion history" is disingenuous or ignorant. 
Take your pick.

Hehe, I was waiting for this was coming from NYC4jags again.  The question is did Ezra Cleveland start in the final game^?  The Jaguars resigned Cleveland, they didn't ADD him.  The Jags went 3-5 while he was starting.  Every teams OL will be healthier next season, there is almost no OLmen who's 100% at the end of the season.

BUT the question was "IF one of your IOL gets hurt..."

(04-28-2024, 02:14 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 01:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The "starting LG" wasn't until even on the team until week ten and didn't start until week 11 and he played through an injury that he probably should not have. 

Trying to act like that position isn't improved by re-signing him is pretty stupid. He has a track record of top tier guard performance prior to the injury and there's nothing to suggest he can't return to form.

But you just keep blurting out the same bull [BLEEP] ignoring the signing completely. 

What Pedreron is counting on is that Morse will be what he's always been - which is [BLEEP] miles and miles better than Fortner. And that Cleveland will be what he was pre-injury. Which is miles better than any of the 4 other LGs we tried to start last year. 

That ^ in itself will return the run game to some degree of functionality as those positions have been the clear weak spots for 2 years ongoing. (I started a thread on LG/C poor play in 2022 mid-season) 

The under 2 second pressures coming from the gap responsibility of those two - and their constant push backward into the pocket was a major problem for Lawrence's nearly complete lack of a pocket last year. He should not be off script as often as a result of these moves. 

The whole "they didn't do anything but add a Center with concussion history" is disingenuous or ignorant. 
Take your pick.

Hehe, I was waiting for this was coming from NYC4jags again.  The question is did Ezra Cleveland start in the final game^?  The Jaguars resigned Cleveland, they didn't ADD him.  The Jags went 3-5 while he was starting.  Every teams OL will be healthier next season, there is almost no OLmen who's 100% at the end of the season.

BUT the question was "If one of your IOL gets hurt..."

Meh

Troll-job question.

You can unequivocally state that 24 starting QBs in the league are going to be negatively affected if the wrong starting lineman (linemen) get(s) hurt. 

Ezra will be the starting LG barring some unexpected issue, and he should end up being an upgrade when healthy.

You can ignore that if it helps you troll harder, but from my angle it makes you look stupid.

(04-28-2024, 02:14 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 01:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The "starting LG" wasn't until even on the team until week ten and didn't start until week 11 and he played through an injury that he probably should not have. 

Trying to act like that position isn't improved by re-signing him is pretty stupid. He has a track record of top tier guard performance prior to the injury and there's nothing to suggest he can't return to form.

But you just keep blurting out the same bull [BLEEP] ignoring the signing completely. 

What Pedreron is counting on is that Morse will be what he's always been - which is [BLEEP] miles and miles better than Fortner. And that Cleveland will be what he was pre-injury. Which is miles better than any of the 4 other LGs we tried to start last year. 

That ^ in itself will return the run game to some degree of functionality as those positions have been the clear weak spots for 2 years ongoing. (I started a thread on LG/C poor play in 2022 mid-season) 

The under 2 second pressures coming from the gap responsibility of those two - and their constant push backward into the pocket was a major problem for Lawrence's nearly complete lack of a pocket last year. He should not be off script as often as a result of these moves. 

The whole "they didn't do anything but add a Center with concussion history" is disingenuous or ignorant. 
Take your pick.

Hehe, I was waiting for this was coming from NYC4jags again.  The question is did Ezra Cleveland start in the final game^?  The Jaguars resigned Cleveland, they didn't ADD him.  The Jags went 3-5 while he was starting.  Every teams OL will be healthier next season, there is almost no OLmen who's 100% at the end of the season.

BUT the question was "IF one of your IOL gets hurt..."

Any lineman but Morse.  If Morse gets injured then we are in trouble unless Daryl Williams improves from last year which is possible because I thought he looked decent.

(04-28-2024, 02:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 02:14 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Hehe, I was waiting for this was coming from NYC4jags again.  The question is did Ezra Cleveland start in the final game^?  The Jaguars resigned Cleveland, they didn't ADD him.  The Jags went 3-5 while he was starting.  Every teams OL will be healthier next season, there is almost no OLmen who's 100% at the end of the season.

BUT the question was "IF one of your IOL gets hurt..."

Any lineman but Morse.  If Morse gets injured then we are in trouble unless Daryl Williams improves from last year which is possible because I thought he looked decent.

Williams looked good in pre-season last year. Would be great if he develops into a solid backup.

(04-28-2024, 02:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2024, 02:14 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Hehe, I was waiting for this was coming from NYC4jags again.  The question is did Ezra Cleveland start in the final game^?  The Jaguars resigned Cleveland, they didn't ADD him.  The Jags went 3-5 while he was starting.  Every teams OL will be healthier next season, there is almost no OLmen who's 100% at the end of the season.

BUT the question was "If one of your IOL gets hurt..."

Meh

Troll-job question.

You can unequivocally state that 24 starting QBs in the league are going to be negatively affected if the wrong starting lineman (linemen) get(s) hurt. 

Ezra will be the starting LG barring some unexpected issue, and he should end up being an upgrade when healthy.

You can ignore that if it helps you troll harder, but from my angle it makes you look stupid.

I truly would like to know the answer to the above question, and I'm sure I'm not alone. It's really not a troll question, if anything it's a question to reinforce my view that IOL depth is a major problem, and YOU agree with me to some extent in your draft grade answer:

NYC4jags Wrote:I went B- since as I, like others, would have preferred more OL depth/competition.

Edit:

And you just did it again.

NYC4jags Wrote:I wish they'd have bolstered interior depth instead of tackle.