(12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-we...dy-tumbles
(12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]He’s our guy and I’m so glad he’s here.(12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-we...dy-tumbles
Completely agree. Would not trade him for anyone at this point and I get that might sound crazy to some with Allen, Mahomes and Burrow out there.
(12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ](12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-we...dy-tumbles
Completely agree. Would not trade him for anyone at this point and I get that might sound crazy to some with Allen, Mahomes and Burrow out there.
(12-21-2022, 09:56 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly thank you.
Some people want to say "yeah he threw 12 tds 17 ints last year but I ALWAYS KNEW HE'D BE ELITE" yeah but you didn't because most of the time guys who struggle, continue to struggle. Lawrence got better, and that's awesome but let's not pretend he was a for sure thing
(12-21-2022, 06:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ](12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree. Would not trade him for anyone at this point and I get that might sound crazy to some with Allen, Mahomes and Burrow out there.He’s our guy and I’m so glad he’s here.
With that said, taking emotion out of it, I would 100% trade him for Mahomes.
Mahomes is an alien.
(12-21-2022, 06:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Same. It’s just Mahomes.(12-21-2022, 09:56 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly thank you.
Some people want to say "yeah he threw 12 tds 17 ints last year but I ALWAYS KNEW HE'D BE ELITE" yeah but you didn't because most of the time guys who struggle, continue to struggle. Lawrence got better, and that's awesome but let's not pretend he was a for sure thing
And you'd be wrong and that's your fault for stat watching. It always went beyond what the numbers said with Trevor last year and some of us could see that. I guess many couldn't.
(12-21-2022, 06:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]He’s our guy and I’m so glad he’s here.
With that said, taking emotion out of it, I would 100% trade him for Mahomes.
Mahomes is an alien.
Mahomes is the only QB I'd trade Lawrence for and even then, I'd have to think long and hard about it. Still wouldn't be an easy decision for me.
(12-21-2022, 06:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Meh, emotions have nothing to do with it. Trev has the traits to be as good or better than any of them and he is already starting to show the clutch like he had in college or even better as he is starting to mature at the NFL level. Josh Allen is the best QB in the league imo but I wouldn't do it(12-21-2022, 06:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And you'd be wrong and that's your fault for stat watching. It always went beyond what the numbers said with Trevor last year and some of us could see that. I guess many couldn't.Same. It’s just Mahomes.
Mahomes is the only QB I'd trade Lawrence for and even then, I'd have to think long and hard about it. Still wouldn't be an easy decision for me.
We all have an emotional attachment to Trevor. He’s our guy.
From a pure football standpoint, there’s not a better play in the NFL than Mahomes.
I’m very glad we have Trevor though and look forward to winning the AFC South every year!
(12-21-2022, 05:49 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]He’s everything he should have been last year.
(12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Not crazy at all. He's doing it with a cast of receivers that were 2nd and 3rd string at best with their previous stops and an underachieving Engram.(12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-we...dy-tumbles
Completely agree. Would not trade him for anyone at this point and I get that might sound crazy to some with Allen, Mahomes and Burrow out there.
(12-21-2022, 07:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not going to have this debate but it’s 100% emotional.(12-21-2022, 06:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Same. It’s just Mahomes.Meh, emotions have nothing to do with it. Trev has the traits to be as good or better than any of them and he is already starting to show the clutch like he had in college or even better as he is starting to mature at the NFL level. Josh Allen is the best QB in the league imo but I wouldn't do it
We all have an emotional attachment to Trevor. He’s our guy.
From a pure football standpoint, there’s not a better play in the NFL than Mahomes.
I’m very glad we have Trevor though and look forward to winning the AFC South every year!
(12-21-2022, 07:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It's not emotional when you're talking about a QB as talented as any other QB in this league. He's only 23 and he's already showing he's at his best when the pressure is on. His ceiling is as high as Allen, Mahomes, and Burrow. I didn't say I would take him over prime Brady, I said i wouldnt take any QB in the league right now over him, the sky is the limit.(12-21-2022, 07:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Meh, emotions have nothing to do with it. Trev has the traits to be as good or better than any of them and he is already starting to show the clutch like he had in college or even better as he is starting to mature at the NFL level. Josh Allen is the best QB in the league imo but I wouldn't do itI’m not going to have this debate but it’s 100% emotional.
Glad to have Trevor!
(12-21-2022, 10:24 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Bros... Ya'll are crazy...(emphasis added)
If you have been a fan long enough to have to defend Gabbert, Bortles, Foles, and Minshew, you eventually have no concept of what real QB talent even looks like anymore. And then here comes the Prince that was Promised. (Ignoring the Meyer Meltdown) We come into 2022 and he's looking good. But woah, here comes the witching month of October and it results in ROCK BOTTOM for Trevor's career.
(12-21-2022, 12:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](12-20-2022, 11:28 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, I called people "Nut huggers" because people were openly defending terrible plays like nothing was his fault. Trying to make any excuse in the world for him, even on interceptions where he threw it directly to a DB with no WR around somehow that was on the WR/Meyer... it got old
Secondly, "every single thread is taken over about how bad trevor is and to select a new QB" LOL WHO SAID ANY OF THAT. The literal only time I ever suggested drafting a new QB to replace Trevor was on a thread supposing we had the #1 pick again this season and Trevor somehow regressed from 12 td 17 ints to something worse.
You wanna talk about not having a discussion? Let's talk. Every time I say anything positive about Lawrence I'm berated by childish moderators who "name call" as you say on a consistent and downright TROLLING basis.
I did not spam anything, I barely mention Trevors flaws unless prompted by someone else. You know, like in his rookie year he'd have 5 terrible drives and then make one decent 20+ yard throw and everyone would @ me and tell me how dumb I am like he was playing lights out football.
All of this nonsense was started by people who decided to attack my opinions when the guy WASNT EVEN GOING TO BE OUR QB, THESE OPINIONS WERE POSTED WHEN THE JETS HAD THE #1 PICK AT THAT TIME LOL.
The simple truth is that people misjudge what i've said, and think I need to apologise for a take I never had. The first thread I made when Lawrence became our QB right after the draft was something to the effect of "Skeptical, but extremely excited" nothing bashing him, the most bashing I did of Trevor was during a game day thread when he played bad, but at the same time everytime he did something good I also called it the [BLEEP] out. You know how when Tre Herndon gives up a deep pass? and literally everyone on the board gets upset? Or how about when Travon Walker got that penalty on3rd and long a few weeks back and multiple people including moderators called him an idiot? yeah I do that too but I don't treat our QB like the refs do, no special treatment if you play like [BLEEP] I'ma say you played like [BLEEP] and if you play like a pro bowler, i'll praise you. God i'm so sick of this PC nonsense world we live in I mean we can't even say the other word for Butt on this website, what are we a bunch of 12 year olds? I think most of us are full grown adults why is this the only fan forum that is moderated as if it's a childrens playground.. and why are the mods allowed to bypass every rule but then throw out warnings for something as stupid as "nut hugger"
Get a grip.
Imma break this down for you:
How are we misjudging " He Sucks" and "I see no reason for hope" ??
This are YOUR VERBATIM WORDS on Trevor Lawrence. You backpedaling coward.
The apology that a dozen posters have repeatedly stated you should make wasn't for your ignorant QB analysis but for your repeated insults to the fanbase and message board.
If you are trying to compare critique of an undrafted back up DB who wouldn't make the PS on 18 teams in this league to you pissing all over Trevor Lawrence, God help you son. You are dumber than I thought. And I thought you were really stupid.
Please go read the [BLEEP] rules of this message board and quit acting like a butthurt little [BLEEP] because you don't know and understand them.
(12-20-2022, 07:38 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence looked very iffy to start of this year. IN fact, you would just have to be human to have not some kind of doubt rushing into your head after that Denver Bronco game....
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Nah.
You were just to impatient to let a young QB acclimate to a real NFL offense. Others were not - because we've seen this before and we get it.
(12-21-2022, 08:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ](12-21-2022, 12:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Imma break this down for you:
How are we misjudging " He Sucks" and "I see no reason for hope" ??
This are YOUR VERBATIM WORDS on Trevor Lawrence. You backpedaling coward.
The apology that a dozen posters have repeatedly stated you should make wasn't for your ignorant QB analysis but for your repeated insults to the fanbase and message board.
If you are trying to compare critique of an undrafted back up DB who wouldn't make the PS on 18 teams in this league to you pissing all over Trevor Lawrence, God help you son. You are dumber than I thought. And I thought you were really stupid.
Please go read the [BLEEP] rules of this message board and quit acting like a butthurt little [BLEEP] because you don't know and understand them.
Nah.
You were just to impatient to let a young QB acclimate to a real NFL offense. Others were not - because we've seen this before and we get it.
Cmon man. Stop making crap up to fit your narrow narrative. Many people including critics were questing Lawrence right after that Bronco game. You keep trying to pound your chest to be proud that your right you are blinded to the facts. Oh btw the stats also prove it.
After the Bronco game in week 8 Lawrence was looking very shaky. Lets look at the actual facts.
After week 8 Lawrence: 10 TDs, 6 ints, while having games with completion percentages in the 40's and 50's multiple times. If you want to pretend he was always all that and there was no cause for concern the facts show otherwise. He has turned it around but the first half of this season was lackluster by any measure.
(12-21-2022, 08:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ](12-21-2022, 12:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Imma break this down for you:
How are we misjudging " He Sucks" and "I see no reason for hope" ??
This are YOUR VERBATIM WORDS on Trevor Lawrence. You backpedaling coward.
The apology that a dozen posters have repeatedly stated you should make wasn't for your ignorant QB analysis but for your repeated insults to the fanbase and message board.
If you are trying to compare critique of an undrafted back up DB who wouldn't make the PS on 18 teams in this league to you pissing all over Trevor Lawrence, God help you son. You are dumber than I thought. And I thought you were really stupid.
Please go read the [BLEEP] rules of this message board and quit acting like a butthurt little [BLEEP] because you don't know and understand them.
Nah.
You were just to impatient to let a young QB acclimate to a real NFL offense. Others were not - because we've seen this before and we get it.
Cmon man. Stop making crap up to fit your narrow narrative. Many people including critics were questing Lawrence right after that Bronco game. You keep trying to pound your chest to be proud that your right you are blinded to the facts. Oh btw the stats also prove it.
After the Bronco game in week 8 Lawrence was looking very shaky. Lets look at the actual facts.
After week 8 Lawrence: 10 TDs, 6 ints, while having games with completion percentages in the 40's and 50's multiple times. If you want to pretend he was always all that and there was no cause for concern the facts show otherwise. He has turned it around but the first half of this season was lackluster by any measure.
(12-21-2022, 08:20 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](12-21-2022, 08:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Cmon man. Stop making crap up to fit your narrow narrative. Many people including critics were questing Lawrence right after that Bronco game. You keep trying to pound your chest to be proud that your right you are blinded to the facts. Oh btw the stats also prove it.
After the Bronco game in week 8 Lawrence was looking very shaky. Lets look at the actual facts.
After week 8 Lawrence: 10 TDs, 6 ints, while having games with completion percentages in the 40's and 50's multiple times. If you want to pretend he was always all that and there was no cause for concern the facts show otherwise. He has turned it around but the first half of this season was lackluster by any measure.
Yea completion %'s in the 70's, 80's and even 90's is certainly lackluster lolololol
(12-21-2022, 08:32 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]You mean before the Broncos game.(12-21-2022, 08:20 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yea completion %'s in the 70's, 80's and even 90's is certainly lackluster lolololol
Thats my point. He was very bipolar. He had 1 game in the 40's, and 2 games in the 50's.
(12-21-2022, 08:47 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]In todays NFL there’s Mahomes and then the next cut.
Allen
Burrows
Lawrence
Herbert. (I don’t think he’s here, but many do)
You can make a case for any order of the second tier, personally I’d take Trevor over anyone in the second cut. But that’s the top 5 guys to build your team around.