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CJB you were wrong about Lawrence and you're still wrong. You can try and spin it however you want, but you need to just face the facts and deal with it. You were wrong. Nothing more really needs to be said.

(07-30-2023, 11:25 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]CJB you were wrong about Lawrence and you're still wrong. You can try and spin it however you want, but you need to just face the facts and deal with it. You were wrong. Nothing more really needs to be said.

Explain how I was wrong? Again.. pointing out his pros/cons coming out of college I fail to see where I said something wrong.

If you want to bash me for being wrong, feel free to bring up how I wanted Armari Cooper over Christian Kirk instead. At least that actually happened. Til then idk what to tell you, the things I said were factually based, and I never claimed him to be a bust. 


Grow up.

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62.9 Cmp pct 7,754 Yards - 37 TD 25 INT       Lawrence 34 Games
66.9 Cmp Pct 14,000 Yards - 94 TD 35 INT    Herbert 49 Games
68.2 Cmp Pct 11,774 Yards - 82 TD 31 INT    Burrow 42 Games


One of these players has a lot to prove, yet the bafoons on this board think player 1 deserves the same money as player 2

For Trevor to match Herbert by year 3, he'd need to have 6,246 yards and 57 TDs in his next 15 games. But they both worth the same price tag?

(07-30-2023, 11:27 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 11:25 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]CJB you were wrong about Lawrence and you're still wrong. You can try and spin it however you want, but you need to just face the facts and deal with it. You were wrong. Nothing more really needs to be said.

Explain how I was wrong? Again.. pointing out his pros/cons coming out of college I fail to see where I said something wrong.

If you want to bash me for being wrong, feel free to bring up how I wanted Armari Cooper over Christian Kirk instead. At least that actually happened. Til then idk what to tell you, the things I said were factually based, and I never claimed him to be a bust. 


Grow up.

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62.9 Cmp pct 7,754 Yards - 37 TD 25 INT
66.9 Cmp Pct 14,000 Yards - 94 TD 35 INT
68.2 Cmp Pct 11,774 Yards - 82 TD 31 INT


One of these players has a lot to prove, yet the bafoons on this board think player 1 deserves the same money as player 2

Oh my, imagine comparing 3 years worth of numbers, to 2 years worth of numbers and being surprised that the players with 3 years have higher numbers... If only player 1 had another 16/17 games worth of stats added like the other two..

Regardless, you're wrong. Deal with it.

(07-30-2023, 11:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 11:27 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Explain how I was wrong? Again.. pointing out his pros/cons coming out of college I fail to see where I said something wrong.

If you want to bash me for being wrong, feel free to bring up how I wanted Armari Cooper over Christian Kirk instead. At least that actually happened. Til then idk what to tell you, the things I said were factually based, and I never claimed him to be a bust. 


Grow up.

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62.9 Cmp pct 7,754 Yards - 37 TD 25 INT
66.9 Cmp Pct 14,000 Yards - 94 TD 35 INT
68.2 Cmp Pct 11,774 Yards - 82 TD 31 INT


One of these players has a lot to prove, yet the bafoons on this board think player 1 deserves the same money as player 2

Oh my, imagine comparing 3 years worth of numbers, to 2 years worth of numbers and being surprised that the players with 3 years have higher numbers... If only player 1 had another 16/17 games worth of stats added like the other two..

Regardless, you're wrong. Deal with it.

I'm right, always have been.

Ok let's play by your rules. Let's give Trevor 15 more games to catch up to Herbert who has played 15 more than Trevor.

For Trevor to match Herbert by year 3, he'd need to have 6,246 yards and 57 TDs in his next 15 games. But its because he played less right, that's why the numbers dont add up huh.

Oh and look, Trevor didnt even need those extra games to be close in interceptions tho.. lol what a joke you and NYC are.

(07-30-2023, 11:42 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 11:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh my, imagine comparing 3 years worth of numbers, to 2 years worth of numbers and being surprised that the players with 3 years have higher numbers... If only player 1 had another 16/17 games worth of stats added like the other two..

Regardless, you're wrong. Deal with it.

I'm right, always have been.

Ok let's play by your rules. Let's give Trevor 15 more games to catch up to Herbert who has played 15 more than Trevor.

For Trevor to match Herbert by year 3, he'd need to have 6,246 yards and 57 TDs in his next 15 games. But its because he played less right, that's why the numbers dont add up huh.

Oh and look, Trevor didnt even need those extra games to be close in interceptions tho.. lol what a joke you and NYC are.

The only joke here is you kid, but I guess Herbert and Burrow had to deal with the same situation Lawrence did his rookie year huh? Certainly the coaching and weapons played no roles in their situations huh? Who needs Higgins/Boyd (then Chase) and Williams/Allen when you have Treadwell and Tavon Austin as your WRs. Don't even need to go into the coaching staffs do we?

You're wrong and will always be wrong. You'll likely disappear during this coming season just like JaguarLVP did last season when Lawrence continues to cement himself as a top QB in this league.

Sorry that all you can see are half told numbers and don't actually know what you're looking at when watching the gameplay and situations. That's a you problem.

CJB, you can’t just compare numbers like that as if all things are equal. You have to consider the fact that Trevor was drafted into one of the worst situations a rookie QB has been put in. He has Urban Meyer as his coach and Marvin Jones & Treadwell ended up being our best WRs after Chark went down. We picked #1 again after that season and our final home game was a literal clown party.

There is a reason that Trevor and the team took a massive leap forward this season and went to the playoffs. There is a reason to expect more of the same next year. There is a reason we are now getting prime time games and have analysts picking us to win the division. Who cares about Trevor’s stats year 1 with Urban and LaQuon Treadwell. Looked what he just did. You don’t do that after back to back last place finishes if you not that dude.

We are in the infancy of his professional career and he already gave us one of the most memorable seasons in a long time. Obviously every single ounce of success doesn’t go directly to Trevor but what’s the point of meaningless comparisons?  In an alternate universe where Trevor gets drafted a year prior to LAC and Herbert comes to play for Urban do you not think we are looking at a similar stats for each player but now with different teams?  You have to consider the situations. Then you can appreciate the talent as it speaks for itself.

(07-30-2023, 09:13 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 08:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"He sucks"

"He can't throw the football consistently. Period." 

"I see no reason for hope"

Yeah, you've never been wrong about Trevor.
LOL

[BLEEP] off with the lying horse [BLEEP] already

"He sucks" - Was posted in a game day thread, he did indeed suck that day.

"He can't throw the football consistently. Period."  Was posted in a game day thread, he could not throw a football consistently that day

"I see no reason for hope" Tell me one jaguar fan going into 2022 who thought we had hope that season, quit trying to spin it. 12 tds 17 ints did not inspire much hope on a team with almost 0 talent.

Context is important cup cake.

/waves. If you couldn't see glimmers of Trevor's character and talent during the Urban blight, well, that's on your biases.

you say context is important, but so are semantics. The statements you are making are not temporary, conditional, or limited in any sense. There's a big difference between "well today he sucked" and "he sucks".  Same for "what happened to the consistency" vs "He can't throw the football consistently. Period." One implies he has demonstrated in the past, or that there is expectation that it is plausible to be consistent.

When you speak in extremes, the readers are going to apply extremes to your evaluational abilities.

You also posted a BUNCH of tripe arguing these same points in plenty of non-gameday threads. And you still are. It's ok to admit you jumped the gun.

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(07-30-2023, 02:10 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I love Trevor, and I'm really excited to give him a massive contract. But I want that massive contract to be given at the end of the season when we have one more year of him showing that he is the rockstar that we think he is.

I'm not ready to give him the biggest contract of all time right now.

Good news!

The CBA doesn't allow us to give him a deal until the end of the season.

(07-30-2023, 09:47 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 05:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]bolded:
Oh look, more lies. It was on page 15 of the Lawrence Critique thread. 
You posted two words. 
"he sucks" 
There's no context to explain. You said Trevor Lawrence sucks in a thread critiquing Trevor Lawrence. 
Your words. Plain as day. No preamble. No disclaimer. No amendments. 
You should probably just own it and stop being such a little [BLEEP] about all of the bashing you did. 

to the RED:
Uh - I'd say about 95% of Jags fans had a lot of hope because they could see we'd found a quarterback. 
 Just needed a real coach and some better targets. You're on an island here. 

That "context" word you keep trying to throw into these posts when you just lie about what you said...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Context is extremely important, I said in that thread I saw no hope for the 2022 season, it was a thread regarding the 2022 season. Trevor wasn't the only thing that made me think the season would be a wash. 

But, Trevor played horrible in 2021, he did not show much promise in his rookie year thus no, I had no faith in the team winning much in 2022. You seem to be trying to spin this into me saying "I have no faith Trevor will ever be good" which is inaccurate, like I said. Go back to that thread and read the title/discussion. This was not a thread about whether or not Trevor will ever be good, it was about the season in general.


And no, 95% of jags fans did not think we were making the playoffs in 2022 prior to the season.

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because context is important...

You are very wrong on the first point. Trevor showed promise his rookie year. Just like Manning showed promise his rookie year. Yes, rookie mistakes. But also yes, some remarkable throws that raised an eyebrow to get you wondering just what we had in store. His rookie year was irreparably marred by the most inadequately prepared coach in at least a decade if not the modern era, and even still he held his head up, and threw nobody under the bus. Just kept playing the crap hand he was dealt. If you could not differentiate between the poor leadership that was putting us in unwinnable situations and instead considered the QB in over his head, you're in the overwhelming minority here.

As to the second, no moving the uprights. Your statement was literally "Tell me one jaguar fan going into 2022 who thought we had hope that season". No mention of playoffs. Context is extremely important. I had hope. I did not expect playoffs. This season? You bet your bippy I want to see us playing late into January.

This place is worse than the Political forum.

(07-31-2023, 08:35 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This place is worse than the Political forum.

Lol I think this Trevor convo would need to continue in this same trajectory for about 4-8 years for it to be as bad as the political forum.

However, this is particular convo about Trevor is extremely exhausting.

(07-30-2023, 11:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 11:27 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Explain how I was wrong? Again.. pointing out his pros/cons coming out of college I fail to see where I said something wrong.

If you want to bash me for being wrong, feel free to bring up how I wanted Armari Cooper over Christian Kirk instead. At least that actually happened. Til then idk what to tell you, the things I said were factually based, and I never claimed him to be a bust. 


Grow up.

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62.9 Cmp pct 7,754 Yards - 37 TD 25 INT
66.9 Cmp Pct 14,000 Yards - 94 TD 35 INT
68.2 Cmp Pct 11,774 Yards - 82 TD 31 INT


One of these players has a lot to prove, yet the bafoons on this board think player 1 deserves the same money as player 2

Oh my, imagine comparing 3 years worth of numbers, to 2 years worth of numbers and being surprised that the players with 3 years have higher numbers... If only player 1 had another 16/17 games worth of stats added like the other two..

Regardless, you're wrong. Deal with it.

context is important. Go back and look who each QB were throwing to at that time. How established the coaches and assistants were. It's not even the extra year of stats, although I think everyone here would agree we should be expecting more 2022 performance and less 2021, given TLaw's current supporting cast.

There's a big difference to dropping into a built offense and being the first stone upon which the offense is built.

context is important.

Herbs has had Ekeler, Keenan Allen, and Mike Williams ALL 3 Years;
Joey B started with Boyd, Higgins, and AJ Green; then they upgraded AJ with Chase for the past two years.
Trevor started his career with the murderer's row of JRob, MJJ, Shenault and Oshag. His second season found a welcome upgrade in Etienne, Kirk, Zay, and Engram.

context is so very, very important.

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(07-31-2023, 12:00 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 11:42 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I'm right, always have been.

Ok let's play by your rules. Let's give Trevor 15 more games to catch up to Herbert who has played 15 more than Trevor.

For Trevor to match Herbert by year 3, he'd need to have 6,246 yards and 57 TDs in his next 15 games. But its because he played less right, that's why the numbers dont add up huh.

Oh and look, Trevor didnt even need those extra games to be close in interceptions tho.. lol what a joke you and NYC are.

The only joke here is you kid, but I guess Herbert and Burrow had to deal with the same situation Lawrence did his rookie year huh? Certainly the coaching and weapons played no roles in their situations huh? Who needs Higgins/Boyd (then Chase) and Williams/Allen when you have Treadwell and Tavon Austin as your WRs. Don't even need to go into the coaching staffs do we?

You're wrong and will always be wrong. You'll likely disappear during this coming season just like JaguarLVP did last season when Lawrence continues to cement himself as a top QB in this league.

Sorry that all you can see are half told numbers and don't actually know what you're looking at when watching the gameplay and situations. That's a you problem.

GET OUTTA MY HEAD

(07-31-2023, 08:35 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This place is worse than the Political forum.

We have a poster over there who behaves the same way. It's a gimmick for the attention starved.

(07-31-2023, 08:35 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This place is worse than the Political forum.

Ummmmmm…no

(07-31-2023, 12:00 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 11:42 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I'm right, always have been.

Ok let's play by your rules. Let's give Trevor 15 more games to catch up to Herbert who has played 15 more than Trevor.

For Trevor to match Herbert by year 3, he'd need to have 6,246 yards and 57 TDs in his next 15 games. But its because he played less right, that's why the numbers dont add up huh.

Oh and look, Trevor didnt even need those extra games to be close in interceptions tho.. lol what a joke you and NYC are.

The only joke here is you kid, but I guess Herbert and Burrow had to deal with the same situation Lawrence did his rookie year huh? Certainly the coaching and weapons played no roles in their situations huh? Who needs Higgins/Boyd (then Chase) and Williams/Allen when you have Treadwell and Tavon Austin as your WRs. Don't even need to go into the coaching staffs do we?

You're wrong and will always be wrong. You'll likely disappear during this coming season just like JaguarLVP did last season when Lawrence continues to cement himself as a top QB in this league.

Sorry that all you can see are half told numbers and don't actually know what you're looking at when watching the gameplay and situations. That's a you problem.

But you're still missing the entire point on the conversation.


Let's not forget the real comparision here, Josh Allen. He got paid after year 3, he was bad first year, OK his second year and then blossomed in his 3rd year (with the addition of Diggs)

This is LIKELY the path Trevor takes with the addition of Ridley. 

In the scenario that he becomes that kind of QB through year 3, we can rest easy when he gets his big contract.


My argument is with those who are on this thread saying they'd feel comfortable giving him a Herbert contract RIGHT NOW (i'm not stupid, I know we can't technically give him one right now) but that dosen't detract from the argument. 

However, if he comes out this season with 2 years under his belt and his stats line up with the stats he had last year then no, he does not deserve to be the highest paid player in NFL history.

Does that make more sense?

The contract has to be enough to make him happy or he will just want to go somewhere else. We’re not taking that chance because he has 1,500 less passing yards than Herbert.

He’s getting a mega contract either way.

(07-31-2023, 11:44 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]The contract has to be enough to make him happy or he will just want to go somewhere else. We’re not taking that chance because he has 1,500 less passing yards than Herbert.

He’s getting a mega contract either way.

You think he's getting a mega contract if he comes out and throws 20 tds 15 ints this season? All i'm saying is we need to see another step up before commiting our teams financial future for the next 5 years into his bank account.

(07-31-2023, 11:47 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-31-2023, 11:44 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]The contract has to be enough to make him happy or he will just want to go somewhere else. We’re not taking that chance because he has 1,500 less passing yards than Herbert.

He’s getting a mega contract either way.

You think he's getting a mega contract if he comes out and throws 20 tds 15 ints this season? All i'm saying is we need to see another step up before commiting our teams financial future for the next 5 years into his bank account.

You may literally be the one person on the entire [BLEEP] planet doubting he'll throw for 4000 and 30 TDs this year.

Please stop. 

We get it.

(07-31-2023, 11:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-31-2023, 11:47 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]You think he's getting a mega contract if he comes out and throws 20 tds 15 ints this season? All i'm saying is we need to see another step up before commiting our teams financial future for the next 5 years into his bank account.

You may literally be the one person on the entire [BLEEP] planet doubting he'll throw for 4000 and 30 TDs this year.

Please stop. 

We get it.

Meanwhile my prediction thread I made yesterday says I think he will throw for 38 TDs.

Unfortunately, what I think dosen't matter unless it happens. If he does that, he earns the contract. Anyone who thinks he deserves that contract as of TODAY would be making a huge gamble on the unknown. 

As much as I criticized him coming out of the draft, even I didn't expect 12 tds 17 ints his rookie season.


But this comment proves you just talk out of your [BLEEP] and cherry pick what quotes you decide to use in your arguments tho, good job.

(07-30-2023, 11:27 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-30-2023, 11:25 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]CJB you were wrong about Lawrence and you're still wrong. You can try and spin it however you want, but you need to just face the facts and deal with it. You were wrong. Nothing more really needs to be said.

Explain how I was wrong? Again.. pointing out his pros/cons coming out of college I fail to see where I said something wrong.

If you want to bash me for being wrong, feel free to bring up how I wanted Armari Cooper over Christian Kirk instead. At least that actually happened. Til then idk what to tell you, the things I said were factually based, and I never claimed him to be a bust. 


Grow up.

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62.9 Cmp pct 7,754 Yards - 37 TD 25 INT       Lawrence 34 Games
66.9 Cmp Pct 14,000 Yards - 94 TD 35 INT    Herbert  49 Games
68.2 Cmp Pct 11,774 Yards - 82 TD 31 INT    Burrow  42 Games


One of these players has a lot to prove, yet the bafoons on this board think player 1 deserves the same money as player 2

For Trevor to match Herbert by year 3, he'd need to have 6,246 yards and 57 TDs in his next 15 games. But they both worth the same price tag?

Imagine being the #2 QB on this list and you can't hold a 27-0 Lead in the biggest game of his career.  Burrow and Lawrence are both deserving the money as much as Herbet, but i guarantee you that both Burrow and Lawrence will take team friendly deals similar to Mahomes has done.

(07-31-2023, 12:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-31-2023, 11:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You may literally be the one person on the entire [BLEEP] planet doubting he'll throw for 4000 and 30 TDs this year.

Please stop. 

We get it.

Meanwhile my prediction thread I made yesterday says I think he will throw for 38 TDs.

Unfortunately, what I think dosen't matter unless it happens. If he does that, he earns the contract. Anyone who thinks he deserves that contract as of TODAY would be making a huge gamble on the unknown. 

As much as I criticized him coming out of the draft, even I didn't expect 12 tds 17 ints his rookie season.


But this comment proves you just talk out of your [BLEEP] and cherry pick what quotes you decide to use in your arguments tho, good job.

The only reason I would give him Herbert money today (which again, the Jags can’t and it’s hypothetical) is because that contract will be cheaper than the one Trevor signs next season.

The odds that Trevor won’t be as good as all of us believe are extremely low. It’s not like the Jags are gambling on someone who hasn’t shown he can be the guy. Trevor has shown it and he’s just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential. And if the Jags gave him Herbert money today, it’ll look like a bargain in 3 years when QB contracts are even more insane.