(09-27-2023, 06:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]As far as top 5? After 3 weeks.
1. Tagovailoa
2. Mahomes
3. Hurts
4. Goff
5. Purdy
Lawrence falls anywhere between 6th - 10th in most channels.
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Hurts?! Come on man. The dude is playing awful.
(09-27-2023, 06:38 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 06:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]As far as top 5? After 3 weeks.
1. Tagovailoa
2. Mahomes
3. Hurts
4. Goff
5. Purdy
Lawrence falls anywhere between 6th - 10th in most channels.
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I'd replace Goff with Cousins
I can't. Vikings are 0 - 3. I know that's not all on him but he falls flat under bright lights and he forced a throw to Hockenson against the Chargers that cost them the game.
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(09-27-2023, 08:45 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 06:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]As far as top 5? After 3 weeks.
1. Tagovailoa
2. Mahomes
3. Hurts
4. Goff
5. Purdy
Lawrence falls anywhere between 6th - 10th in most channels.
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Hurts?! Come on man. The dude is playing awful.
3 - 0. Close to 68% completion percentage. They're able to overcome most turnovers. He showed that against the Vikings and played well against the Buccaneers the other night.
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(09-27-2023, 03:28 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 02:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status...10418?s=20
Yes and no. He isn't terrible, but he is also not playing very well. What I see on the film isn't exactly what I would call "cook" tier. He's definitely doing some good things but overall body of work is pretty mid. Remember, if we are to take this QB as a top tier, elite level QB this is the standard I am grading off of. He is not playing well if you consider him a top 5 QB in this league, he just isn't.
Really, can I see your film break down.
Here is one showing he played well against the Texans
https://youtu.be/ceRzH6NTcg4?si=9uP7fHwgvBQGt-AG
(09-26-2023, 09:35 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 08:55 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]This sounds like a sloppy, undisciplined team.
I don't have the prescription for a magical cure-all tonic that will fix these woes. They are gonna have to put in work and hold each other accountable. We know that much of this team is the same as last year, so yeah, I'm confident that the ship can be righted. But they gotta get their heads outta their butts or the newspapers, whichever is leading them astray.
....meanwhile Hutch putting in work.
I guess we couldn't get lightning to strike in consecutive seasons.
Hutch is playing well, but TFL's often get overlooked and Travon has 4 plus the 1 sack for a total of 5 negative yardage plays. Hutch has 2 sacks and 1 TFL as well as a FF. Yes the sacks mean the QB got hit/tackled which can add up over the course of the game to help rattle the opposing QB/offense and sacking the QB is exciting, but the net result of a sack and TFL is the same. And yes I would take Hutch's stat line to date over Travon's even considering the TFL difference, but Travon is not necessarily playing poorly. He does need to start getting to the QB, however. I'm willing to give him to the halfway point before seriously questioning the pick considering his circumstances and athleticism. He is very likely not yet who he is going to be a year or two from now.
Another fun stat, Walker has 4 QB hurries this season. Hutch has TEN, and with little help around him. Walker had no control over where he got picked, but the thinking that someone capable of being the first pick of the darft needed two full seasons to show his potential is crazy talk. I have a feeling the team is cursed to have no pass rush, we could pick an LT in his prime and have him end the year with 5 sacks.
(09-27-2023, 02:31 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Never forget, you can criticise Lawrence but we nearly had Zach Wilson!
Puts things a bit more into perspective.
worse, we coulda then ended up saddled with A. A. Ron
(09-27-2023, 11:27 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 03:28 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes and no. He isn't terrible, but he is also not playing very well. What I see on the film isn't exactly what I would call "cook" tier. He's definitely doing some good things but overall body of work is pretty mid. Remember, if we are to take this QB as a top tier, elite level QB this is the standard I am grading off of. He is not playing well if you consider him a top 5 QB in this league, he just isn't.
Really, can I see your film break down.
Here is one showing he played well against the Texans
https://youtu.be/ceRzH6NTcg4?si=9uP7fHwgvBQGt-AG
Starts with the Ridley drop.
Still can't believe he dropped that.
(09-27-2023, 06:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]As far as top 5? After 3 weeks.
1. Tagovailoa
2. Mahomes
3. Hurts
4. Goff
5. Purdy
Lawrence falls anywhere between 6th - 10th in most channels.
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I still cannot wrap my thinkmeat around a competent Goff.
(09-28-2023, 09:26 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2023, 09:35 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Hutch is playing well, but TFL's often get overlooked and Travon has 4 plus the 1 sack for a total of 5 negative yardage plays. Hutch has 2 sacks and 1 TFL as well as a FF. Yes the sacks mean the QB got hit/tackled which can add up over the course of the game to help rattle the opposing QB/offense and sacking the QB is exciting, but the net result of a sack and TFL is the same. And yes I would take Hutch's stat line to date over Travon's even considering the TFL difference, but Travon is not necessarily playing poorly. He does need to start getting to the QB, however. I'm willing to give him to the halfway point before seriously questioning the pick considering his circumstances and athleticism. He is very likely not yet who he is going to be a year or two from now.
Another fun stat, Walker has 4 QB hurries this season. Hutch has TEN, and with little help around him. Walker had no control over where he got picked, but the thinking that someone capable of being the first pick of the darft needed two full seasons to show his potential is crazy talk. I have a feeling the team is cursed to have no pass rush, we could pick an LT in his prime and have him end the year with 5 sacks.
(09-27-2023, 02:31 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Never forget, you can criticise Lawrence but we nearly had Zach Wilson!
Puts things a bit more into perspective.
worse, we coulda then ended up saddled with A. A. Ron
Fire Baalke in the off season. If this team continues to slip in trench play. There's no excuses.
Addressed OT, twice, in RD1 and RD7. Added guys like Wells in the market that physically are done for the year. Completely neglected the interior.
Then, you take a TE, RB, ILB and big DE that was not known for rushing the QB in college without addressing legitimate needs still being there for both lines.
Strange, Bigsby, Miller on IR and Lacy have done relatively nothing in 3 weeks already.
I would look at guys like Adam Peters under John Lynch or Brandt Tilis from Kansas City under Mike Borgonzi.
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(09-27-2023, 06:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]As far as top 5? After 3 weeks.
1. Tagovailoa
2. Mahomes
3. Hurts
4. Goff
5. Purdy
Lawrence falls anywhere between 6th - 10th in most channels.
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REALITY ->
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
Trevor is at #26. Perhaps if we had 9 foot tall WRs, Trevor would be in the top 5. Kind of looking like Leftwich with those moon shots this season.
(09-27-2023, 11:27 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 03:28 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes and no. He isn't terrible, but he is also not playing very well. What I see on the film isn't exactly what I would call "cook" tier. He's definitely doing some good things but overall body of work is pretty mid. Remember, if we are to take this QB as a top tier, elite level QB this is the standard I am grading off of. He is not playing well if you consider him a top 5 QB in this league, he just isn't.
Really, can I see your film break down.
Here is one showing he played well against the Texans
https://youtu.be/ceRzH6NTcg4?si=9uP7fHwgvBQGt-AG
No one is arguing if Trevor knows how to play QB... I am only stating if we want to crown the guy, he needs to play better. You think this tape breakdown is a display of elite QB play? Y I K E S. The 1st/3rd play is a drop, 2nd play is an bad mechanics/late throw/wrong drop pick whatever you think it is(Likely poor footwork/drop) its the SAME PROBLEM he had in KC throwing uncatchable balls in the end zone, only 1 of the 3 toe tappers were even close to completions and Zay was in fact lazy there and should have scored. He also whiffed on a wide open Zay as well, 3 stinkers in the red area. I have no bias against the guy, he is a good QB... BUT, if you can sit here with a straight face and say Trevor is playing elite/top 5 QB football... We aren't looking at the same QB.
(09-28-2023, 10:56 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 11:27 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Really, can I see your film break down.
Here is one showing he played well against the Texans
https://youtu.be/ceRzH6NTcg4?si=9uP7fHwgvBQGt-AG
No one is arguing if Trevor knows how to play QB... I am only stating if we want to crown the guy, he needs to play better. You think this tape breakdown is a display of elite QB play? Y I K E S. The 1st/3rd play is a drop, 2nd play is an bad mechanics/late throw/wrong drop pick whatever you think it is(Likely poor footwork/drop) its the SAME PROBLEM he had in KC throwing uncatchable balls in the end zone, only 1 of the 3 toe tappers were even close to completions and Zay was in fact lazy there and should have scored. He also whiffed on a wide open Zay as well, 3 stinkers in the red area. I have no bias against the guy, he is a good QB... BUT, if you can sit here with a straight face and say Trevor is playing elite/top 5 QB football... We aren't looking at the same QB.
I think he is a top 5 QB but he may not be playing like one.
Burrow and Allen certainly aren't playing like top 5 QBs but I also think they are (overall) top 5 QBs.
Cousins and Goff aren't top 5 QBs but they are playing like one in these first 3 weeks.
Everything will work itself out as long as these receivers start catching these balls. Ridley makes the TD catch and I bet the Jags win that game 24-17.
It's 3 weeks into the season and if you want to make broad generalizations about a whole season after 3 weeks, go right ahead.
(09-28-2023, 10:56 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 11:27 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Really, can I see your film break down.
Here is one showing he played well against the Texans
https://youtu.be/ceRzH6NTcg4?si=9uP7fHwgvBQGt-AG
No one is arguing if Trevor knows how to play QB... I am only stating if we want to crown the guy, he needs to play better. You think this tape breakdown is a display of elite QB play? Y I K E S. The 1st/3rd play is a drop, 2nd play is an bad mechanics/late throw/wrong drop pick whatever you think it is(Likely poor footwork/drop) its the SAME PROBLEM he had in KC throwing uncatchable balls in the end zone, only 1 of the 3 toe tappers were even close to completions and Zay was in fact lazy there and should have scored. He also whiffed on a wide open Zay as well, 3 stinkers in the red area. I have no bias against the guy, he is a good QB... BUT, if you can sit here with a straight face and say Trevor is playing elite/top 5 QB football... We aren't looking at the same QB.
Your point makes plenty of sense when you get to say catchable touchdown throws weren't catchable. They were, so that totally blows your point, but I do understand where you're coming from.
(09-27-2023, 08:31 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 06:40 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]And to be honest, 6 through 10, given our talent and franchise history is an amazing thing to be for Lawrence.
Besides that TD catch by Zay against the clots in the corner of the End Zone, these receivers have not been doing Trevor Lawrence or this team any favors. Lawrence is putting the ball where it needs to be most of the time. Yeah, his head clock is wound a bit fast and he's missed a few open recievers because he locked onto his first read, but even when he did lock on, he's mostly been on time and accurate and it was the receiver that messed up the play.
I don't want to harp on what the coaching was doing in the summer. But it just seems odd how everything looked and sounded so great in July and August, and then when "the bullets became live" we've basically pooped the bed. Some say it's the player's fault. Some same the coaches didn't properly prepare the players...
Either way, the one player that should not be under scrutiny is #16. And anyone that is trying to blame him doesn't understand the game. While yes, the most important piece of any team is the QB. If the QB doesn't get help, the whole thing breaks down. At this point, Trevor Lawrence isn't getting any help.
Well yeah but he isn't helping himself and making his job easier. He has more weapons than Ridley....Engram has been open consistently and the guy ignores his biggest target on the team
Engram has been targeted a total of 21 times in the first 3 games. How is that being ignored?
(09-28-2023, 12:02 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 08:31 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]Well yeah but he isn't helping himself and making his job easier. He has more weapons than Ridley....Engram has been open consistently and the guy ignores his biggest target on the team
Engram has been targeted a total of 21 times in the first 3 games. How is that being ignored?
Not enough considering we are a passing team.
(09-28-2023, 12:39 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2023, 12:02 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: [ -> ]Engram has been targeted a total of 21 times in the first 3 games. How is that being ignored?
Not enough considering we are a passing team.
He's third in the league in targets for TE's. Get out of here with that crap. Just like people trying to push Calvin Ridley is getting force fed over and over. Apparently my imagination isn't near what some of you guys are. I'm not near as good at making random [BLEEP] up in my head.
I'm not here to argue with anyone... So I'm just going to say this and let it go...
But Engram was getting targets last year out in space while running crosser routs.
This year is only 3 games... So maybe things will change...
But...
Engram's targets this year have been behind the 10 Yard Marker almost every time. And what's worse, they are putting Engram on bubble screen targets with trips formation at least 5 times this year. Engram is a baller. You don't grind a baller. You let them get out in open space.
But again, it's only week 3... So maybe things will change... But to this point, Engram isn't being used like he was last year. And last year, he was killing it. I'm not sure why you change up what's working... But we have changed up what Engram was doing. I mean, you can't argue against that....
With that said, I'm not here to argue. I just think that certain things feel off... But let's see what happens in London.
(09-28-2023, 09:31 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2023, 06:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]As far as top 5? After 3 weeks.
1. Tagovailoa
2. Mahomes
3. Hurts
4. Goff
5. Purdy
Lawrence falls anywhere between 6th - 10th in most channels.
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I still cannot wrap my thinkmeat around a competent Goff.
Really? He took the rams to a Superbowl. They lost but he got there.
(09-28-2023, 09:37 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2023, 09:31 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I still cannot wrap my thinkmeat around a competent Goff.
Really? He took the rams to a Superbowl. They lost but he got there.
If it wasn't for his piss poor performance he would've won that SB too.
He was carrierd there just like how Peyton Manning was carriered on both of his SB...
Not sayin Manning wasnt better but Goff sucked that SB so bad!
(09-28-2023, 10:24 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2023, 09:37 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Really? He took the rams to a Superbowl. They lost but he got there.
If it wasn't for his piss poor performance he would've won that SB too.
He was carrierd there just like how Peyton Manning was carriered on both of his SB...
Not sayin Manning wasnt better but Goff sucked that SB so bad!
Well i'd hope not, Peyton was elite in every sense of the word and that statement would be stupid