(01-21-2024, 10:52 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 10:38 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s also oddly curious that a certain poster swore up and down they were only here for a certain player and that they were leaving us as that player was no longer with the franchise. Trolls gonna troll I guess
You bought that? The guy has the same exact username over at the titans message board. He's a titans fan.
Well I thought he was as they said in the Movie Dodge ball, "A soccer fan or possibly Canadian" Since now he is outed as a troll, maybe he needs togo somewhere and practice up a bit before coming here. We have a higher level troll here.
(01-21-2024, 10:52 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 10:38 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s also oddly curious that a certain poster swore up and down they were only here for a certain player and that they were leaving us as that player was no longer with the franchise. Trolls gonna troll I guess
You bought that? The guy has the same exact username over at the titans message board. He's a titans fan.
Oh I didn’t, just nice to call him out on his crap
(01-21-2024, 10:52 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 10:38 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s also oddly curious that a certain poster swore up and down they were only here for a certain player and that they were leaving us as that player was no longer with the franchise. Trolls gonna troll I guess
You bought that? The guy has the same exact username over at the titans message board. He's a titans fan.
He's just another uninteresting run of the mill troll.
(01-21-2024, 11:18 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with Jaguars fans is they are College fans first.
So they believe the hype about Trevor. Year 3 and he still is just.. a starter.
Lol, so which of CJB's "roomies" are you?
(01-21-2024, 11:12 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]So...
Brock Purdy must be the best QB EVER!!!
Stop with excuses. A great QB makes the line better.
I think we see that you've finally come all the way out from under your bridge. Now we just need to figure out which of the Usual Suspects you really are.
(01-21-2024, 08:06 AM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1748040...20536?s=46
Interesting graphic showing how much value a quarterback added in the regular season. Trevor showing up at third.
Lamar Jackson is 19th? Ok. That seems like a well-reasoned assessment.
(01-21-2024, 10:52 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 10:38 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s also oddly curious that a certain poster swore up and down they were only here for a certain player and that they were leaving us as that player was no longer with the franchise. Trolls gonna troll I guess
You bought that? The guy has the same exact username over at the titans message board. He's a titans fan.
Link?
That list linked up there is just nonsense.
Browning higher than Mahomes
Lamar being rated lower than Trevor, also laughable.
So the list is just wrong / don’t care about what their methodology is - if that is their outcome then you know it’s problematic
(01-21-2024, 05:28 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]That list linked up there is just nonsense.
Browning higher than Mahomes
Lamar being rated lower than Trevor, also laughable.
So the list is just wrong / don’t care about what their methodology is - if that is their outcome then you know it’s problematic
All the list does is quantify what a relative qb performance is for an average given performance around them.
Some guys had exceptional play around them, so they seemed to perform well, but actually performed below what would be expected given the level of play around them, while a lot of guys were mostly the same, because they play to the level of their help.
Essentially what the guy calculated is that Trevor's performance was actually very high compared to the expected performance given all the problems around him, which is correct. Trevor played well, even if the bib brigade and troll troupe don't want to admit it.
(01-21-2024, 05:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 05:28 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]That list linked up there is just nonsense.
Browning higher than Mahomes
Lamar being rated lower than Trevor, also laughable.
So the list is just wrong / don’t care about what their methodology is - if that is their outcome then you know it’s problematic
All the list does is quantify what a relative qb performance is for an average given performance around them.
Some guys had exceptional play around them, so they seemed to perform well, but actually performed below what would be expected given the level of play around them, while a lot of guys were mostly the same, because they play to the level of their help.
Essentially what the guy calculated is that Trevor's performance was actually very high compared to the expected performance given all the problems around him, which is correct. Trevor played well, even if the bib brigade and troll troupe don't want to admit it.
Oh boy, now you've done it.
(01-21-2024, 05:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 05:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]All the list does is quantify what a relative qb performance is for an average given performance around them.
Some guys had exceptional play around them, so they seemed to perform well, but actually performed below what would be expected given the level of play around them, while a lot of guys were mostly the same, because they play to the level of their help.
Essentially what the guy calculated is that Trevor's performance was actually very high compared to the expected performance given all the problems around him, which is correct. Trevor played well, even if the bib brigade and troll troupe don't want to admit it.
Oh boy, now you've done it.
Oh noes. Are the trolls going to troll me?
(01-21-2024, 05:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 05:28 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]That list linked up there is just nonsense.
Browning higher than Mahomes
Lamar being rated lower than Trevor, also laughable.
So the list is just wrong / don’t care about what their methodology is - if that is their outcome then you know it’s problematic
All the list does is quantify what a relative qb performance is for an average given performance around them.
Some guys had exceptional play around them, so they seemed to perform well, but actually performed below what would be expected given the level of play around them, while a lot of guys were mostly the same, because they play to the level of their help.
Essentially what the guy calculated is that Trevor's performance was actually very high compared to the expected performance given all the problems around him, which is correct. Trevor played well, even if the bib brigade and troll troupe don't want to admit it.
I’ve watched Trevor’s every single play and throw. I’ve watched football for decades. Everyone paying attention understands Trevor had a bit of a down year. We know he had a bad offensive line - but even counting all of that, he had plenty of his own plays that need to be cleaned up. He’s a top half of the league type of qb right now. But he’s 24 and can easily climb and become a top 10 qb soon and maybe even a top 5 qb if he plays at a high level consistently.
(01-21-2024, 05:55 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 05:46 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]All the list does is quantify what a relative qb performance is for an average given performance around them.
Some guys had exceptional play around them, so they seemed to perform well, but actually performed below what would be expected given the level of play around them, while a lot of guys were mostly the same, because they play to the level of their help.
Essentially what the guy calculated is that Trevor's performance was actually very high compared to the expected performance given all the problems around him, which is correct. Trevor played well, even if the bib brigade and troll troupe don't want to admit it.
I’ve watched Trevor’s every single play and throw. I’ve watched football for decades. Everyone paying attention understands Trevor had a bit of a down year. We know he had a bad offensive line - but even counting all of that, he had plenty of his own plays that need to be cleaned up. He’s a top half of the league type of qb right now. But he’s 24 and can easily climb and become a top 10 qb soon and maybe even a top 5 qb if he plays at a high level consistently.
Yes yes, we know, he occasionally made some mistakes, and that's just not acceptable.
The statistical work the guy did was just to note that the performance was actually much higher than would be expected given the amount of problems around him, if you want to ask more of Trevor you can, but the reality of it is he's already playing like a great QB on a bad team, and if he leaves town because he's tired of having someone like Baalke picking his teammates he'll be fine and it'll be us that will be back to looking at high water marks of 4 wins a year.
(01-21-2024, 06:00 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 05:55 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve watched Trevor’s every single play and throw. I’ve watched football for decades. Everyone paying attention understands Trevor had a bit of a down year. We know he had a bad offensive line - but even counting all of that, he had plenty of his own plays that need to be cleaned up. He’s a top half of the league type of qb right now. But he’s 24 and can easily climb and become a top 10 qb soon and maybe even a top 5 qb if he plays at a high level consistently.
Yes yes, we know, he occasionally made some mistakes, and that's just not acceptable.
The statistical work the guy did was just to note that the performance was actually much higher than would be expected given the amount of problems around him, if you want to ask more of Trevor you can, but the reality of it is he's already playing like a great QB on a bad team, and if he leaves town because he's tired of having someone like Baalke picking his teammates he'll be fine and it'll be us that will be back to looking at high water marks of 4 wins a year.
Exactly this, for example, I can’t remember Trevor Lawrence throwing a 5 yard pass and it going 60+ yards or whatever due to the receiver maker a play, whereby some quarterbacks benefitting from that.
Not taking anything away from Stroud but it happened a few times this hear for him, though tbf we seem to target the sidelines more than the middle so that could explain it.
(01-21-2024, 06:27 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 06:00 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Yes yes, we know, he occasionally made some mistakes, and that's just not acceptable.
The statistical work the guy did was just to note that the performance was actually much higher than would be expected given the amount of problems around him, if you want to ask more of Trevor you can, but the reality of it is he's already playing like a great QB on a bad team, and if he leaves town because he's tired of having someone like Baalke picking his teammates he'll be fine and it'll be us that will be back to looking at high water marks of 4 wins a year.
Exactly this, for example, I can’t remember Trevor Lawrence throwing a 5 yard pass and it going 60+ yards or whatever due to the receiver maker a play, whereby some quarterbacks benefitting from that.
Not taking anything away from Stroud but it happened a few times this hear for him, though tbf we seem to target the sidelines more than the middle so that could explain it.
I do remember a couple 5 yad passes that bounced off the receiver's hands and ended up intercepted though.
(01-21-2024, 06:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 06:27 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly this, for example, I can’t remember Trevor Lawrence throwing a 5 yard pass and it going 60+ yards or whatever due to the receiver maker a play, whereby some quarterbacks benefitting from that.
Not taking anything away from Stroud but it happened a few times this hear for him, though tbf we seem to target the sidelines more than the middle so that could explain it.
I do remember a couple 5 yad passes that bounced off the receiver's hands and ended up intercepted though.
I remember at least 3 this season. Led the league in that category.
(01-21-2024, 06:27 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 06:00 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Yes yes, we know, he occasionally made some mistakes, and that's just not acceptable.
The statistical work the guy did was just to note that the performance was actually much higher than would be expected given the amount of problems around him, if you want to ask more of Trevor you can, but the reality of it is he's already playing like a great QB on a bad team, and if he leaves town because he's tired of having someone like Baalke picking his teammates he'll be fine and it'll be us that will be back to looking at high water marks of 4 wins a year.
Exactly this, for example, I can’t remember Trevor Lawrence throwing a 5 yard pass and it going 60+ yards or whatever due to the receiver maker a play, whereby some quarterbacks benefitting from that.
Not taking anything away from Stroud but it happened a few times this hear for him, though tbf we seem to target the sidelines more than the middle so that could explain it.
Christian Kirk against the Saints
(01-21-2024, 09:04 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 06:27 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly this, for example, I can’t remember Trevor Lawrence throwing a 5 yard pass and it going 60+ yards or whatever due to the receiver maker a play, whereby some quarterbacks benefitting from that.
Not taking anything away from Stroud but it happened a few times this hear for him, though tbf we seem to target the sidelines more than the middle so that could explain it.
Christian Kirk against the Saints
And did he have some INTs caused by WR mistakes? Sure. But so do all QBs.
We are acutely aware of Trevor’s but do we know for SURE that other QBs didn’t have similar problems? I mean just look at today - Baker Mayfield threw a pick in the first quarter which bounced off the WRs hands too. It happens. Trevor isn’t the only one.
Trevor also had some very nice catches that receivers made for him (Zay Jones TD against colts comes to mind). I think over the course of 17 games he probably had an average amount of good plays and bad plays from his receivers compared to the league average. He had a subpar offensive line.
But his body of work tells me he’s a talented qb that makes plenty of mistakes but has a lot of room to get better.
He hasn’t arrived - he needs to stay healthy next year play well (throw 25+ TDs and minimize turnovers) and lead us to the playoffs. Then we give him a massive extension.
But hypothetically (god forbid) he starts
The year slow, maybe gets injured and misses 4-6 weeks - we miss the playoffs, and his stats look similar to this year… would you feel confident that he is without a shadow of a doubt THE guy? Maybe, maybe not.
Is he much better than Jameis Winston? Baker Mayfield? Or Jared Goff? Those guys are examples of former #1 picks ending up on other somewhere else after the honeymoon phase is over. Year 4 he is going to be a veteran, he’s got 50 starts under his belt already. What he gives us in year 4 is probably a good representation of who he is and what he will give us going forward.
I hope it’s a great year, playoffs, and a run.
If it’s another 9-8, 8-9 season where we miss playoffs and he’s a turnover machine - we may have to think about what else we can do.
Even then I’d still give him a 5th year option but I’m not just throwing too qb money at someone like that - especially when you see guys like Goff and Mayfield. Just my 2c.
(01-21-2024, 09:04 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 06:27 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly this, for example, I can’t remember Trevor Lawrence throwing a 5 yard pass and it going 60+ yards or whatever due to the receiver maker a play, whereby some quarterbacks benefitting from that.
Not taking anything away from Stroud but it happened a few times this hear for him, though tbf we seem to target the sidelines more than the middle so that could explain it.
Christian Kirk against the Saints
That was only 40 yards, but the fact that the one that comes to mind was from all the way back in week 7 proves his point.
(01-21-2024, 09:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 09:04 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Christian Kirk against the Saints
That was only 40 yards, but the fact that the one that comes to mind was from all the way back in week 7 proves his point.
I agree nothing has come easy for us this year.
But I’m not sure how many QBs are getting more than 1-2 5 yard passes that go for 60+ yard touchdowns..
(01-21-2024, 10:02 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 09:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]That was only 40 yards, but the fact that the one that comes to mind was from all the way back in week 7 proves his point.
I agree nothing has come easy for us this year.
But I’m not sure how many QBs are getting more than 1-2 5 yard passes that go for 60+ yard touchdowns..
Peyton Manning had a ton of those with the Broncos the year he had 55 tds, guess he was just elevated by the play around him smh.. sam bradford played better obviously the talent around him just let him down.
Mahomes is annoyingly amazing , like the dude has made the NFL him vs everyone else.
Yeah in the playoffs he is unstoppable