(07-30-2023, 01:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-29-2023, 11:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes got that deal after posting a 55 TD season followed by a superbowl win. The guy has been in EVERY single AFC title game since we lost to the Pats. That was 6 years ago!.
I love Lawrence, and I hope he does end up getting a big pay day but I just want it to be one he earned. That's all.
And?
You've been wrong about Lawrence from the start and continue to be. He's going to more than earn his contract and the longer they wait to pay him, the more it's going to cost.
Nothing i've said about Lawrence was wrong. Pre draft analysis was proven time and time again to be correct. Dosen't mean he can't improve, but all of the issues I mentioned were huge problems both years he's been here.
(07-30-2023, 04:26 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 01:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And?
You've been wrong about Lawrence from the start and continue to be. He's going to more than earn his contract and the longer they wait to pay him, the more it's going to cost.
Nothing i've said about Lawrence was wrong. Pre draft analysis was proven time and time again to be correct. Dosen't mean he can't improve, but all of the issues I mentioned were huge problems both years he's been here.
"He sucks"
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period."
"I see no reason for hope"
Yeah, you've never been wrong about Trevor.
LOL
[BLEEP] off with the lying horse [BLEEP] already
(07-30-2023, 08:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 04:26 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing i've said about Lawrence was wrong. Pre draft analysis was proven time and time again to be correct. Dosen't mean he can't improve, but all of the issues I mentioned were huge problems both years he's been here.
"He sucks"
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period."
"I see no reason for hope"
Yeah, you've never been wrong about Trevor.
LOL
[BLEEP] off with the lying horse [BLEEP] already
"He sucks" - Was posted in a game day thread, he did indeed suck that day.
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period." Was posted in a game day thread, he could not throw a football consistently that day
"I see no reason for hope" Tell me one jaguar fan going into 2022 who thought we had hope that season, quit trying to spin it. 12 tds 17 ints did not inspire much hope on a team with almost 0 talent.
Context is important cup cake.
As soon as I read “when he makes a pass” I knew he didn’t have a clue.
I love Trevor, and I'm really excited to give him a massive contract. But I want that massive contract to be given at the end of the season when we have one more year of him showing that he is the rockstar that we think he is.
I'm not ready to give him the biggest contract of all time right now.
(07-30-2023, 02:10 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I love Trevor, and I'm really excited to give him a massive contract. But I want that massive contract to be given at the end of the season when we have one more year of him showing that he is the rockstar that we think he is.
I'm not ready to give him the biggest contract of all time right now.
We can't sign him to an extension until after the season. Them's the rules. Has to be after year 3. So you have nothing to worry about on this particular matter.
(07-30-2023, 09:13 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 08:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"He sucks"
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period."
"I see no reason for hope"
Yeah, you've never been wrong about Trevor.
LOL
[BLEEP] off with the lying horse [BLEEP] already
"He sucks" - Was posted in a game day thread, he did indeed suck that day.
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period." Was posted in a game day thread, he could not throw a football consistently that day
"I see no reason for hope" Tell me one jaguar fan going into 2022 who thought we had hope that season, quit trying to spin it. 12 tds 17 ints did not inspire much hope on a team with almost 0 talent.
Context is important cup cake.
bolded:
Oh look, more lies. It was on page 15 of the Lawrence Critique thread.
You posted two words.
"he sucks"
There's no context to explain. You said Trevor Lawrence sucks in a thread critiquing Trevor Lawrence.
Your words. Plain as day. No preamble. No disclaimer. No amendments.
You should probably just own it and stop being such a little [BLEEP] about all of the bashing you did.
to the RED:
Uh - I'd say about 95% of Jags fans had a lot of hope because they could see we'd found a quarterback.
Just needed a real coach and some better targets. You're on an island here.
That "context" word you keep trying to throw into these posts when you just lie about what you said...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
(07-30-2023, 05:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 09:13 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]"He sucks" - Was posted in a game day thread, he did indeed suck that day.
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period." Was posted in a game day thread, he could not throw a football consistently that day
"I see no reason for hope" Tell me one jaguar fan going into 2022 who thought we had hope that season, quit trying to spin it. 12 tds 17 ints did not inspire much hope on a team with almost 0 talent.
Context is important cup cake.
bolded:
Oh look, more lies. It was on page 15 of the Lawrence Critique thread.
You posted two words.
"he sucks"
There's no context to explain. You said Trevor Lawrence sucks in a thread critiquing Trevor Lawrence.
Your words. Plain as day. No preamble. No disclaimer. No amendments.
You should probably just own it and stop being such a little [BLEEP] about all of the bashing you did.
to the RED:
Uh - I'd say about 95% of Jags fans had a lot of hope because they could see we'd found a quarterback.
Just needed a real coach and some better targets. You're on an island here.
That "context" word you keep trying to throw into these posts when you just lie about what you said...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
I don't know why some people try it. NYC4 brings the receipts....
(07-30-2023, 09:13 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 08:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"He sucks"
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period."
"I see no reason for hope"
Yeah, you've never been wrong about Trevor.
LOL
[BLEEP] off with the lying horse [BLEEP] already
"He sucks" - Was posted in a game day thread, he did indeed suck that day.
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period." Was posted in a game day thread, he could not throw a football consistently that day
"I see no reason for hope" Tell me one jaguar fan going into 2022 who thought we had hope that season, quit trying to spin it. 12 tds 17 ints did not inspire much hope on a team with almost 0 talent.
Context is important cup cake.
Me! Agree with the first 2. In the bolded: We had the worst coach in NFL history. He showed a number of flashes through out his rookie season and especially late in that season to show his tools and the prospect/talent he is. Its clear you have zero eye for QB talent. You would of thought the same when you watched Troy Aikman or Manning their rookie years. Trev was thrown to the wolves his rookie year or like a piece of bait the the sharks. Last year we hired Doug and enter Doug's system and it only took a half a season for things to start to click. You have no eye for QB talent if you still question if Trev is our QB of the future is all I have to say.
I definitely had hope last year once we canned Urban and brought in Doug. Trevor was the bright spot the year prior when Urban was here.
Obviously, you dont see the finish we had coming but I saw no reason we couldn't be competitive in 2022 because we brought in Doug, Kirk, Engram, Zay, and ETN came back + some other additions + another draft class + of course Trevor.
I said 11 wins last year before the season. I was 1 win short. I wouldn't of said 11 wins if I had no hope
(07-29-2023, 09:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-29-2023, 04:16 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]The Titans game plan was to keep the ball out of Trevor's hands and they did a pretty good job. We won the game and Trevor made enough big time plays to keep us in the game and to have a shot to win. Vrabel is a good coach and the other team wanted to win the game too. We won the game. We won the division. We went to the playoffs. Trevor is a budding super star QB on a Jaguars team that is on the rise^.
Trevor is literally the guy we have all been waiting on and there is still doubt and arguing amongst our fanbase. It's odd. Nobody is above honest criticism but we just picked #1 two years in a row and now we are fresh off a playoff appearance and looking to make another run. Guys want to come to Jax and play with Trevor and the guys here already want to return for the most part. Enjoy. It's a new day.
Doubt is a strong word, it's more so being cautious at least for me. When it comes to record breaking contracts and all that can really hamper your teams ability to move forward IF that player isn't a bonafide elite QB. He very well may be that, but all I was saying is it's far to premature to label him that right now. I absolutely feel much more hopefull about the direct he is going than I did this time last year, and I expect that to get better with the addition of Ridley and ofcourse him being more comfortable in Dougs offense.
All I was saying is that, it's not a sure fire thing and I wouldn't give him that contract TODAY.
Dude, if you are still having doubts YOU have a problem.
(07-30-2023, 04:40 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 02:10 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I love Trevor, and I'm really excited to give him a massive contract. But I want that massive contract to be given at the end of the season when we have one more year of him showing that he is the rockstar that we think he is.
I'm not ready to give him the biggest contract of all time right now.
We can't sign him to an extension until after the season. Them's the rules. Has to be after year 3. So you have nothing to worry about on this particular matter.
Yes, but this was more just a response to the people that are ready to give him that contract right now.
(07-30-2023, 05:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 09:13 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]"He sucks" - Was posted in a game day thread, he did indeed suck that day.
"He can't throw the football consistently. Period." Was posted in a game day thread, he could not throw a football consistently that day
"I see no reason for hope" Tell me one jaguar fan going into 2022 who thought we had hope that season, quit trying to spin it. 12 tds 17 ints did not inspire much hope on a team with almost 0 talent.
Context is important cup cake.
bolded:
Oh look, more lies. It was on page 15 of the Lawrence Critique thread.
You posted two words.
"he sucks"
There's no context to explain. You said Trevor Lawrence sucks in a thread critiquing Trevor Lawrence.
Your words. Plain as day. No preamble. No disclaimer. No amendments.
You should probably just own it and stop being such a little [BLEEP] about all of the bashing you did.
to the RED:
Uh - I'd say about 95% of Jags fans had a lot of hope because they could see we'd found a quarterback.
Just needed a real coach and some better targets. You're on an island here.
That "context" word you keep trying to throw into these posts when you just lie about what you said...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Context is extremely important, I said in that thread I saw no hope for the 2022 season, it was a thread regarding the 2022 season. Trevor wasn't the only thing that made me think the season would be a wash.
But, Trevor played horrible in 2021, he did not show much promise in his rookie year thus no, I had no faith in the team winning much in 2022. You seem to be trying to spin this into me saying "I have no faith Trevor will ever be good" which is inaccurate, like I said. Go back to that thread and read the title/discussion. This was not a thread about whether or not Trevor will ever be good, it was about the season in general.
And no, 95% of jags fans did not think we were making the playoffs in 2022 prior to the season.
(07-30-2023, 08:11 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-29-2023, 09:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Doubt is a strong word, it's more so being cautious at least for me. When it comes to record breaking contracts and all that can really hamper your teams ability to move forward IF that player isn't a bonafide elite QB. He very well may be that, but all I was saying is it's far to premature to label him that right now. I absolutely feel much more hopefull about the direct he is going than I did this time last year, and I expect that to get better with the addition of Ridley and ofcourse him being more comfortable in Dougs offense.
All I was saying is that, it's not a sure fire thing and I wouldn't give him that contract TODAY.
Dude, if you are still having doubts YOU have a problem.
I don't have doubts, I have no doubt he will be a solid quarterback. But as of July 30th 2023, I cannot with a straight face say that i'd be comfortable making him the highest paid QB in the league based on what we've seen thus far.
I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
(07-30-2023, 08:49 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 04:40 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We can't sign him to an extension until after the season. Them's the rules. Has to be after year 3. So you have nothing to worry about on this particular matter.
Yes, but this was more just a response to the people that are ready to give him that contract right now.
Exactly.
A QB who looks to be getting better, but yet has 37 TDs and 25 ints and 10+ fumbles does not deserve a record breaking contract, that's my entire point. He needs to go out this season and be a lot better than he was last year and much more consistent to even be thinking about that kind of contract.
(07-30-2023, 09:47 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 05:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]bolded:
Oh look, more lies. It was on page 15 of the Lawrence Critique thread.
You posted two words.
"he sucks"
There's no context to explain. You said Trevor Lawrence sucks in a thread critiquing Trevor Lawrence.
Your words. Plain as day. No preamble. No disclaimer. No amendments.
You should probably just own it and stop being such a little [BLEEP] about all of the bashing you did.
to the RED:
Uh - I'd say about 95% of Jags fans had a lot of hope because they could see we'd found a quarterback.
Just needed a real coach and some better targets. You're on an island here.
That "context" word you keep trying to throw into these posts when you just lie about what you said...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Context is extremely important, I said in that thread I saw no hope for the 2022 season, it was a thread regarding the 2022 season. Trevor wasn't the only thing that made me think the season would be a wash.
But, Trevor played horrible in 2021, he did not show much promise in his rookie year thus no, I had no faith in the team winning much in 2022. You seem to be trying to spin this into me saying "I have no faith Trevor will ever be good" which is inaccurate, like I said. Go back to that thread and read the title/discussion. This was not a thread about whether or not Trevor will ever be good, it was about the season in general.
And no, 95% of jags fans did not think we were making the playoffs in 2022 prior to the season.
(07-30-2023, 08:11 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, if you are still having doubts YOU have a problem.
I don't have doubts, I have no doubt he will be a solid quarterback. But as of July 30th 2023, I cannot with a straight face say that i'd be comfortable making him the highest paid QB in the league based on what we've seen thus far.
I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
(07-30-2023, 08:49 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but this was more just a response to the people that are ready to give him that contract right now.
Exactly.
A QB who looks to be getting better, but yet has 37 TDs and 25 ints and 10+ fumbles does not deserve a record breaking contract, that's my entire point. He needs to go out this season and be a lot better than he was last year and much more consistent to even be thinking about that kind of contract.
Simple question, is Trevor a franchise QB on July 30, 2023?
Yes he is a franchise QB. He’s a superstar QB right up there with Burrow, Herbert, Allen, etc
*Mahommes is in another universe.
(07-30-2023, 09:47 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 05:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]bolded:
Oh look, more lies. It was on page 15 of the Lawrence Critique thread.
You posted two words.
"he sucks"
There's no context to explain. You said Trevor Lawrence sucks in a thread critiquing Trevor Lawrence.
Your words. Plain as day. No preamble. No disclaimer. No amendments.
You should probably just own it and stop being such a little [BLEEP] about all of the bashing you did.
to the RED:
Uh - I'd say about 95% of Jags fans had a lot of hope because they could see we'd found a quarterback.
Just needed a real coach and some better targets. You're on an island here.
That "context" word you keep trying to throw into these posts when you just lie about what you said...
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Context is extremely important, I said in that thread I saw no hope for the 2022 season, it was a thread regarding the 2022 season. Trevor wasn't the only thing that made me think the season would be a wash.
But, Trevor played horrible in 2021, he did not show much promise in his rookie year thus no, I had no faith in the team winning much in 2022. You seem to be trying to spin this into me saying "I have no faith Trevor will ever be good" which is inaccurate, like I said. Go back to that thread and read the title/discussion. This was not a thread about whether or not Trevor will ever be good, it was about the season in general.
LOL
Sure...
What about this one?
"It really blows that we have to go into the offseason with very little hope. I thought maybe Lawrence would at least show some signs of being that guy throughout an entire 17 game season but I have no faith."
This was after the 2021 patriots tilt and you were going on specifically about Lawrence and calling someone who defended him a Lawrence apologist in the post prior to this one.
You want to invent some phony "context" for that one too?
How do you not get tired of lying about this stuff? It's so weird.
(07-30-2023, 10:00 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes he is a franchise QB. He’s a superstar QB right up there with Burrow, Herbert, Allen, etc
*Mahommes is in another universe.
Nobody thought Josh Allen was a superstar QB going into his 3rd season. He had to go out and prove it, and he did. This is what I want from Lawrence before I'll concede to saying he's for sure worth a top 5 QB contract.
Herberts first 2 seasons absolutely blow Trevors first 2 seasons out of the water, not comparable.
Joe Burrows second season was elite, and he took his team to a superbowl, not comparable.
Herbert threw 38 TDs in his second season, which is 1 more than Lawrence has in 2 full seasons. Not comparable.
He still needs to prove he's worth a top tier contract.
And yes, I do think Lawrence will be our franchise QB.. but do I think he's cemented himself as one thus far? no. "Franchise QB" has different definitions depending on who you ask, to me a franchise QB is a guy you expect to have around for 10+ years and is the kind of QB that makes you a contender every year. So no, as of July 30th 2023 I would not classify him in that category.
(07-30-2023, 11:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2023, 09:47 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Context is extremely important, I said in that thread I saw no hope for the 2022 season, it was a thread regarding the 2022 season. Trevor wasn't the only thing that made me think the season would be a wash.
But, Trevor played horrible in 2021, he did not show much promise in his rookie year thus no, I had no faith in the team winning much in 2022. You seem to be trying to spin this into me saying "I have no faith Trevor will ever be good" which is inaccurate, like I said. Go back to that thread and read the title/discussion. This was not a thread about whether or not Trevor will ever be good, it was about the season in general.
LOL
Sure...
What about this one?
"It really blows that we have to go into the offseason with very little hope. I thought maybe Lawrence would at least show some signs of being that guy throughout an entire 17 game season but I have no faith."
This was after the 2021 patriots tilt and you were going on specifically about Lawrence and calling someone who defended him a Lawrence apologist in the post prior to this one.
You want to invent some phony "context" for that one too?
How do you not get tired of lying about this stuff? It's so weird.
If you read what I said in the post you quoted, you'd notice I said the exact same thing. He gave me no reason for hope for the 2022 season. He was dog awful in 2021, only ignorant biased fans would disagree.
And frankly, yes I do get tired of saying the same thing on repeat. But part of me wonders if you're brain will ever comprehend how incredibly wrong you have been.
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