(11-27-2023, 12:20 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 12:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Let's try to refrain from injecting race into this thread about our talented starting QB moving forward, please and thank you.
Not appropriate or necessary here.
We know the majority of national pundits don't care much for our little market, but we don't need to take it there.
Sorry if you found it inappropriate. I think it speaks to the prevailing attitude in the media. It’s the liberal bias du jour. my personal perspective is that it doesn’t and shouldn’t matter what a person’s ethnicity is. We should be way past all that by now. And most of us are.
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TLaw was pretty good. There's a trust we can have in our QB for the first time in a long, long time that he'll show up and play with a certain level of efficiency and urgency.
(11-27-2023, 02:41 PM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 01:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1729...08624?s=20
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...50500?s=20
for as well as he played, I do think his rhythm/timing/tempo were a little off
Quite a few throws were late but the arm talent makes up for it
The footwork got a bit sloppy also
This game epitomizes what makes Trevor a franchise QB, even being just slightly off, the acumen and arm talent make up for it.
I don't disagree.
The footwork looks like a product of having no pocket to step into so often that he's abandoned stepping into throws traditionally and he's just rifling it off balance instead.
It's something he'll need to dial back in if we get him any kind of consistent pocket at some point.
It's amazing how Trevor Lawrence was able to overcome such a terrible Offensive line!!!
Glory be!!
Maybe the O-Line wasn't actually the problem after all... Hmmmm.... Let's consider that!
(11-27-2023, 04:41 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]It's amazing how Trevor Lawrence was able to overcome such a terrible Offensive line!!!
Glory be!!
Maybe the O-Line wasn't actually the problem after all... Hmmmm.... Let's consider that!
They've had two good games in protection out of 11 games.
The [BLEEP] are you talking about?
(11-27-2023, 04:41 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]It's amazing how Trevor Lawrence was able to overcome such a terrible Offensive line!!!
Glory be!!
Maybe the O-Line wasn't actually the problem after all... Hmmmm.... Let's consider that!
Are you serious? What the hell do you watch on Sunday? The line is head and shoulders better than they were at pass pro a month ago. They were god awful terrible in September and it's not close. They still can't run block worth a crap though, so you'll get to keep belly aching about the play calling the rest of the year because they just can't do what you want them to.
(11-27-2023, 02:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.the33rdteam.com/c-j-stroud-t...t-rivalry/
Lawrence vs Stroud for years.
Stroud is a really great mobile QB. The thing is, Stroud extends plays and then exposes breakdowns in the secondary after eluding the initial pass rush.
That works, and it's amazing to watch for a few season. I mean, look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. These guys are fun to watch and they are deadly in terms of just decimating a defense.
But mobile QBs like Jackson, Allen, and yes, even Hurts, aren't going to last. You can tell already. It's just a matter of time when the nicks and scraps from all that mobility becomes something else.
Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card. Lawrence is a QB in the model of Marino, with the early ability of Elway. We honestly have the best of both worlds with Lawrence. He's a SB QB. We just need to have an OC and a GM that can bring in the right talent and also utilize that talent on game day. Currently, there is a concern regarding game planning and play calling.
But there is no doubt that Trevor Lawrence is capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.
(11-27-2023, 04:48 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 02:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.the33rdteam.com/c-j-stroud-t...t-rivalry/
Lawrence vs Stroud for years.
Stroud is a really great mobile QB. The thing is, Stroud extends plays and then exposes breakdowns in the secondary after eluding the initial pass rush.
That works, and it's amazing to watch for a few season. I mean, look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. These guys are fun to watch and they are deadly in terms of just decimating a defense.
But mobile QBs like Jackson, Allen, and yes, even Hurts, aren't going to last. You can tell already. It's just a matter of time when the nicks and scraps from all that mobility becomes something else.
Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card. Lawrence is a QB in the model of Marino, with the early ability of Elway. We honestly have the best of both worlds with Lawrence. He's a SB QB. We just need to have an OC and a GM that can bring in the right talent and also utilize that talent on game day. Currently, there is a concern regarding game planning and play calling.
But there is no doubt that Trevor Lawrence is capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.
Stroud is basically a pocket passer. He always has been. He gets flushed out of the pocket sometimes, but if the Texans protect him better, he'll stay in the pocket.
(11-27-2023, 04:48 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 02:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.the33rdteam.com/c-j-stroud-t...t-rivalry/
Lawrence vs Stroud for years.
Stroud is a really great mobile QB. The thing is, Stroud extends plays and then exposes breakdowns in the secondary after eluding the initial pass rush.
That works, and it's amazing to watch for a few season. I mean, look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. These guys are fun to watch and they are deadly in terms of just decimating a defense.
But mobile QBs like Jackson, Allen, and yes, even Hurts, aren't going to last. You can tell already. It's just a matter of time when the nicks and scraps from all that mobility becomes something else.
Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card. Lawrence is a QB in the model of Marino, with the early ability of Elway. We honestly have the best of both worlds with Lawrence. He's a SB QB. We just need to have an OC and a GM that can bring in the right talent and also utilize that talent on game day. Currently, there is a concern regarding game planning and play calling.
But there is no doubt that Trevor Lawrence is capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.
It's weird how there's nothing you can't use to insult the OC. I mean, it's almost pathological with you.
(11-27-2023, 04:48 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 02:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.the33rdteam.com/c-j-stroud-t...t-rivalry/
Lawrence vs Stroud for years.
Stroud is a really great mobile QB. The thing is, Stroud extends plays and then exposes breakdowns in the secondary after eluding the initial pass rush.
That works, and it's amazing to watch for a few season. I mean, look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. These guys are fun to watch and they are deadly in terms of just decimating a defense.
But mobile QBs like Jackson, Allen, and yes, even Hurts, aren't going to last. You can tell already. It's just a matter of time when the nicks and scraps from all that mobility becomes something else.
Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card. Lawrence is a QB in the model of Marino, with the early ability of Elway. We honestly have the best of both worlds with Lawrence. He's a SB QB. We just need to have an OC and a GM that can bring in the right talent and also utilize that talent on game day. Currently, there is a concern regarding game planning and play calling.
But there is no doubt that Trevor Lawrence is capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.
"Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card". Wrong. He ran for nearly 1,000 yards and 20 TD's at Clemson in just a three year span. Never had a 4,000 yard passing season. They ran a ton of RPO at Clemson. One of the BIGGEST components to his game was mobility in and out of the pocket.
It's his ability to throw off schedule and on the run that makes him special. That kind of arm talent and ability on the run is exactly what puts him on par with guys like Mahomes and Allen when it comes to pure arm talent alone. What separates the elites from the good ones though is decision making, clutch time drive, patience & perseverance.
He has all of that. The coaching staff is here. What's hurt this team is the general manager not doing enough in the trenches on offense to give him more time to be patient in the pocket. When he does have time? He's a [BLEEP] nightmare to contest with. He's been one of the better competitors at his position since the midseason turning point of last year.
As much [BLEEP] as you give Press Taylor. You do realize, that, if three catches are made yesterday? Hell, not even three, just give me the Ridley TD and the early Engram drop, I'll forgive the Kirk drop in the sun. But, you realize that would have easily put him over his career high correct? That's with Press calling the offense completely this year, with the division lead on the line.
Yesterday's game went about as good as it possibly could have went from a play caller's perspective. Just saw, like we've seen off and on all year, lapses in concentration and critical drops. Ridley being the main one. He'll drop easy dimes for TD's that are floated right on the money at times but then he'll proceed to catch stone cold bullets shot out of a Barrett M82 that are difficult for the average receiver but too easy for him.
(11-27-2023, 05:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 04:48 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Stroud is a really great mobile QB. The thing is, Stroud extends plays and then exposes breakdowns in the secondary after eluding the initial pass rush.
That works, and it's amazing to watch for a few season. I mean, look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. These guys are fun to watch and they are deadly in terms of just decimating a defense.
But mobile QBs like Jackson, Allen, and yes, even Hurts, aren't going to last. You can tell already. It's just a matter of time when the nicks and scraps from all that mobility becomes something else.
Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card. Lawrence is a QB in the model of Marino, with the early ability of Elway. We honestly have the best of both worlds with Lawrence. He's a SB QB. We just need to have an OC and a GM that can bring in the right talent and also utilize that talent on game day. Currently, there is a concern regarding game planning and play calling.
But there is no doubt that Trevor Lawrence is capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.
"Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card". Wrong. He ran for nearly 1,000 yards and 20 TD's at Clemson in just a three year span. Never had a 4,000 yard passing season. They ran a ton of RPO at Clemson. One of the BIGGEST components to his game was mobility in and out of the pocket.
It's his ability to throw off schedule and on the run that makes him special. That kind of arm talent and ability on the run is exactly what puts him on par with guys like Mahomes and Allen when it comes to pure arm talent alone. What separates the elites from the good ones though is decision making, clutch time drive, patience & perseverance.
He has all of that. The coaching staff is here. What's hurt this team is the general manager not doing enough in the trenches on offense to give him more time to be patient in the pocket. When he does have time? He's a [BLEEP] nightmare to contest with. He's been one of the better competitors at his position since the midseason turning point of last year.
As much [BLEEP] as you give Press Taylor. You do realize, that, if three catches are made yesterday? Hell, not even three, just give me the Ridley TD and the early Engram drop, I'll forgive the Kirk drop in the sun. But, you realize that would have easily put him over his career high correct? That's with Press calling the offense completely this year, with the division lead on the line.
Yesterday's game went about as good as it possibly could have went from a play caller's perspective. Just saw, like we've seen off and on all year, lapses in concentration and critical drops. Ridley being the main one. He'll drop easy dimes for TD's that are floated right on the money at times but then he'll proceed to catch stone cold bullets shot out of a Barrett M82 that are difficult for the average receiver but too easy for him.
I'm sorry, but just because Lawrence was able to scramble in college does not mean that is what he is in the NFL. He's not a "mobile QB" in the NFL. He's not Josh Allen, he's not Jalen Hurts, he's not Lamar Jackson, he's not a young Mahommes, even. Lawrence can scramble and get some yards on a broken play, but he's not a runner like the QBs I just listed.
Yesterday's game was great in terms that it is obvious that the play calling is not as trash as it was in September and October. That's great. But there still are issues in regards to how the offensive game planning and play calling is conducted against a team that can score against us.
Even with that said, Trevor Lawrence has the ability to be in the pocket and pick apart defenses. When the OC gives him free reign to run the offense, Trevor picks apart defenses. In my opinion, Yesterday's game was proof that Trevor can overcome bad play calling from his trash OC. When one considers how well our Offense looked last year when Pederson was calling the plays versus how Trevor has to overcome play calls, it's night and day. The O-Line gave Lawrence time, and Lawrence made great pass after great pass.
Trevor Lawrence is clearly a top 3 QB in the league. Yeah, there are mobile QBs that get the sports commentators excited. But if you watch how Trevor plays the game while having to deal with terrible play calls, he's clearly right there with Mahommes.
Imagine if Andy Reid decided to give up the offense to his intern. Andy Reid never would do that. I just don't know why Pederson is doing it. And even with such a set back, Lawrence is still showing how great a QB he is.
Dude's a Franchise QB. He'll be a Super Bowl MVP once the coaching staff figures it all out. He is a franchise QB.
(11-27-2023, 04:54 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 04:48 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Stroud is a really great mobile QB. The thing is, Stroud extends plays and then exposes breakdowns in the secondary after eluding the initial pass rush.
That works, and it's amazing to watch for a few season. I mean, look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Jalen Hurts. These guys are fun to watch and they are deadly in terms of just decimating a defense.
But mobile QBs like Jackson, Allen, and yes, even Hurts, aren't going to last. You can tell already. It's just a matter of time when the nicks and scraps from all that mobility becomes something else.
Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card. Lawrence is a QB in the model of Marino, with the early ability of Elway. We honestly have the best of both worlds with Lawrence. He's a SB QB. We just need to have an OC and a GM that can bring in the right talent and also utilize that talent on game day. Currently, there is a concern regarding game planning and play calling.
But there is no doubt that Trevor Lawrence is capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.
It's weird how there's nothing you can't use to insult the OC. I mean, it's almost pathological with you.
Do you think that football players just hang out all week and then finally find themselves waking up on Sunday morning and realizing that they have to head to a football thing? Is it pathological to hold people that are responsible for a team accountable?
I honestly don't understand what your criticism is...
Seriously, what is your beef with what I wrote? We're talking about whether Lawrence is a Franchise QB, right? There is a lot of factors that will determine that. Coaches are included in such a discussion...
If you disagree, then at least provide a contrary opinion instead of just insulting me as "pathological". I provide several points why I think the way I do. You, as a moderator, reply to me with a simple pejorative. Why not engage me in a discussion instead of trying to troll me? I always provide my analysis. Why not take a stance against that instead of trying to insult me as a person?
(11-27-2023, 05:24 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 05:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]"Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card". Wrong. He ran for nearly 1,000 yards and 20 TD's at Clemson in just a three year span. Never had a 4,000 yard passing season. They ran a ton of RPO at Clemson. One of the BIGGEST components to his game was mobility in and out of the pocket.
It's his ability to throw off schedule and on the run that makes him special. That kind of arm talent and ability on the run is exactly what puts him on par with guys like Mahomes and Allen when it comes to pure arm talent alone. What separates the elites from the good ones though is decision making, clutch time drive, patience & perseverance.
He has all of that. The coaching staff is here. What's hurt this team is the general manager not doing enough in the trenches on offense to give him more time to be patient in the pocket. When he does have time? He's a [BLEEP] nightmare to contest with. He's been one of the better competitors at his position since the midseason turning point of last year.
As much [BLEEP] as you give Press Taylor. You do realize, that, if three catches are made yesterday? Hell, not even three, just give me the Ridley TD and the early Engram drop, I'll forgive the Kirk drop in the sun. But, you realize that would have easily put him over his career high correct? That's with Press calling the offense completely this year, with the division lead on the line.
Yesterday's game went about as good as it possibly could have went from a play caller's perspective. Just saw, like we've seen off and on all year, lapses in concentration and critical drops. Ridley being the main one. He'll drop easy dimes for TD's that are floated right on the money at times but then he'll proceed to catch stone cold bullets shot out of a Barrett M82 that are difficult for the average receiver but too easy for him.
I'm sorry, but just because Lawrence was able to scramble in college does not mean that is what he is in the NFL. He's not a "mobile QB" in the NFL. He's not Josh Allen, he's not Jalen Hurts, he's not Lamar Jackson, he's not a young Mahommes, even. Lawrence can scramble and get some yards on a broken play, but he's not a runner like the QBs I just listed.
Yesterday's game was great in terms that it is obvious that the play calling is not as trash as it was in September and October. That's great. But there still are issues in regards to how the offensive game planning and play calling is conducted against a team that can score against us.
Even with that said, Trevor Lawrence has the ability to be in the pocket and pick apart defenses. When the OC gives him free reign to run the offense, Trevor picks apart defenses. In my opinion, Yesterday's game was proof that Trevor can overcome bad play calling from his trash OC. When one considers how well our Offense looked last year when Pederson was calling the plays versus how Trevor has to overcome play calls, it's night and day. The O-Line gave Lawrence time, and Lawrence made great pass after great pass.
Trevor Lawrence is clearly a top 3 QB in the league. Yeah, there are mobile QBs that get the sports commentators excited. But if you watch how Trevor plays the game while having to deal with terrible play calls, he's clearly right there with Mahommes.
Imagine if Andy Reid decided to give up the offense to his intern. Andy Reid never would do that. I just don't know why Pederson is doing it. And even with such a set back, Lawrence is still showing how great a QB he is.
Dude's a Franchise QB. He'll be a Super Bowl MVP once the coaching staff figures it all out. He is a franchise QB.
LOL
You are a very confused individual.
Trevor isn't overcoming the play calls - he's executing them.
And the result is the best record the team has had in a long, long time. This team is about to finish a regular season with 12 or 13 wins and you're hellbent on finding fault where there is none.
Twisting yourself into a pretzel to find fault in something that isn't bad in the first place is a fools errand. Give it up.
The sentence in green actually makes sense and negates the contortion act attempt that preceded it in that otherwise delusional paragraph.
(11-27-2023, 05:24 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 05:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]"Trevor Lawrence can scramble, but that's not his calling card". Wrong. He ran for nearly 1,000 yards and 20 TD's at Clemson in just a three year span. Never had a 4,000 yard passing season. They ran a ton of RPO at Clemson. One of the BIGGEST components to his game was mobility in and out of the pocket.
It's his ability to throw off schedule and on the run that makes him special. That kind of arm talent and ability on the run is exactly what puts him on par with guys like Mahomes and Allen when it comes to pure arm talent alone. What separates the elites from the good ones though is decision making, clutch time drive, patience & perseverance.
He has all of that. The coaching staff is here. What's hurt this team is the general manager not doing enough in the trenches on offense to give him more time to be patient in the pocket. When he does have time? He's a [BLEEP] nightmare to contest with. He's been one of the better competitors at his position since the midseason turning point of last year.
As much [BLEEP] as you give Press Taylor. You do realize, that, if three catches are made yesterday? Hell, not even three, just give me the Ridley TD and the early Engram drop, I'll forgive the Kirk drop in the sun. But, you realize that would have easily put him over his career high correct? That's with Press calling the offense completely this year, with the division lead on the line.
Yesterday's game went about as good as it possibly could have went from a play caller's perspective. Just saw, like we've seen off and on all year, lapses in concentration and critical drops. Ridley being the main one. He'll drop easy dimes for TD's that are floated right on the money at times but then he'll proceed to catch stone cold bullets shot out of a Barrett M82 that are difficult for the average receiver but too easy for him.
I'm sorry, but just because Lawrence was able to scramble in college does not mean that is what he is in the NFL. He's not a "mobile QB" in the NFL. He's not Josh Allen, he's not Jalen Hurts, he's not Lamar Jackson, he's not a young Mahommes, even. Lawrence can scramble and get some yards on a broken play, but he's not a runner like the QBs I just listed.
Yesterday's game was great in terms that it is obvious that the play calling is not as trash as it was in September and October. That's great. But there still are issues in regards to how the offensive game planning and play calling is conducted against a team that can score against us.
Even with that said, Trevor Lawrence has the ability to be in the pocket and pick apart defenses. When the OC gives him free reign to run the offense, Trevor picks apart defenses. In my opinion, Yesterday's game was proof that Trevor can overcome bad play calling from his trash OC. When one considers how well our Offense looked last year when Pederson was calling the plays versus how Trevor has to overcome play calls, it's night and day. The O-Line gave Lawrence time, and Lawrence made great pass after great pass.
Trevor Lawrence is clearly a top 3 QB in the league. Yeah, there are mobile QBs that get the sports commentators excited. But if you watch how Trevor plays the game while having to deal with terrible play calls, he's clearly right there with Mahommes.
Imagine if Andy Reid decided to give up the offense to his intern. Andy Reid never would do that. I just don't know why Pederson is doing it. And even with such a set back, Lawrence is still showing how great a QB he is.
Dude's a Franchise QB. He'll be a Super Bowl MVP once the coaching staff figures it all out. He is a franchise QB.
Pederson was calling the plays in the first half of games last season, but Press Taylor called the plays in the second half of those games. You remember- when we kept coming back in the second half? Press Taylor was calling those plays.
And besides, it seems a little silly to be complaining about the coaching when we're 8-3 and leading our division.
(11-27-2023, 05:33 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 05:24 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but just because Lawrence was able to scramble in college does not mean that is what he is in the NFL. He's not a "mobile QB" in the NFL. He's not Josh Allen, he's not Jalen Hurts, he's not Lamar Jackson, he's not a young Mahommes, even. Lawrence can scramble and get some yards on a broken play, but he's not a runner like the QBs I just listed.
Yesterday's game was great in terms that it is obvious that the play calling is not as trash as it was in September and October. That's great. But there still are issues in regards to how the offensive game planning and play calling is conducted against a team that can score against us.
Even with that said, Trevor Lawrence has the ability to be in the pocket and pick apart defenses. When the OC gives him free reign to run the offense, Trevor picks apart defenses. In my opinion, Yesterday's game was proof that Trevor can overcome bad play calling from his trash OC. When one considers how well our Offense looked last year when Pederson was calling the plays versus how Trevor has to overcome play calls, it's night and day. The O-Line gave Lawrence time, and Lawrence made great pass after great pass.
Trevor Lawrence is clearly a top 3 QB in the league. Yeah, there are mobile QBs that get the sports commentators excited. But if you watch how Trevor plays the game while having to deal with terrible play calls, he's clearly right there with Mahommes.
Imagine if Andy Reid decided to give up the offense to his intern. Andy Reid never would do that. I just don't know why Pederson is doing it. And even with such a set back, Lawrence is still showing how great a QB he is.
Dude's a Franchise QB. He'll be a Super Bowl MVP once the coaching staff figures it all out. He is a franchise QB.
Pederson was calling the plays in the first half of games last season, but Press Taylor called the plays in the second half of those games. You remember- when we kept coming back in the second half? Press Taylor was calling those plays.
And besides, it seems a little silly to be complaining about the coaching when we're 8-3 and leading our division.
Yeah... I don't buy that at all... Agree to disagree...
If you honestly think that Press was calling plays last year in the 2nd half, then why were the play calling for the first 8 games so different from last year? The fact that we all of a sudden decided it was a great idea to run ETN up the middle constantly this year, when we never did that sort of thing last year makes me think that Pederson is just trying to get Press a HC gig.
I watched ever play of every game last year and same with this year.
The last 5 games have looked similar to last year. The first 8 were absolutely nothing like how we ran the offense last year. But I've actually broken that down before. It's buried in one of these 100+ page threads...