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StrayaaJag Wrote:We may as well start the tank for arch manning

Aah. Khan's playing the long long game, that's why he's keeping Pederson and Baalke around.

(12-12-2024, 10:27 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2024, 10:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]I think you need to start strongly considering the likelihood that Trevor isn't as good as you think he is and the coaching staff already knows this. Everything about their body language, press conference responses, and offensive scheme says as much.

Ask yourself this, why don't we work the middle of the field? Because they don't trust Trevor's inaccuracy and overthrows. That's why we work the sidelines so much.  Doug has been critical of Trevor going back to last year. Compare that to how he talks about the O-line. Remember the games last year where Trevor threw those horrible passes in the endzone, one which was picked and several which should have been and he got lucky? And the fumbles. Jfc the fumbles.

I think this coaching staff sees Trevor every day, and has to limit their playbook based on his deficiencies, but of course they can't say that. So the offense has to scheme around a bad O-line and a QB that makes bad decisions and has poor accuracy at times. We need to stop saying "Press/Trent/Doug bad, Trevor good" and maybe start considering that Trevor isn't the guy either.

So much speculation.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  You're just interpreting things based on your own hatred.  Tell me, one time.  One time where you thought Tervor isn't the guy.  Name one moment when you thought that Trevor was a trash QB.  Was it when the entire team couldn't get a first down with 1 yard?  Was it when all his WRs couldn't catch a ball, so he had to throw up a money ball?  Was it when the entire team always let him down???  Was it when Doug Pederson constantly threw him under the bus?  What it when Baalke failed to provide a respectible O-Line to protect the franchise QB?

It's so annoying having to defend a QB that has been completely betrayed by a trash HC/OC and GM.  

There is proof that Lawrence is a franchise QB.  Yeah, Pederson and Press are garbage coaches.  Lawrence has been carrying this trash franchise in spite of this terrible management.  Matter of fact, I would bet money that if Lawrence was given a good HC that was willing to actually do hard work and a GM that wasn't a cancer to the franchise, we'd be a Super Bowl contender.

Lawrence hasnt given me a good track record to indicate that "he is our guy", we always go back to the Chargers game which was an awesome exciting game, but we often forget that he had 4 INTs that game as well, if my memory serves me correct.

(12-12-2024, 10:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2024, 08:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He was 10th before his shoulder injury.

Before his injury, he was in the top 10 for QBR, Adjusted EPA, Touchdown Passes, Passing Yards, Passing First Downs and Yards/Completion.

All while being at the top of the list in drops, an OL that was up and down and a Run game that was non existent for the most part.

As well as having a Defense that ranked in the bottom of the league in basically every stat.

I think you need to start strongly considering the likelihood that Trevor isn't as good as you think he is and the coaching staff already knows this. Everything about their body language, press conference responses, and offensive scheme says as much.

Ask yourself this, why don't we work the middle of the field? Because they don't trust Trevor's inaccuracy and overthrows. That's why we work the sidelines so much.  Doug has been critical of Trevor going back to last year. Compare that to how he talks about the O-line. Remember the games last year where Trevor threw those horrible passes in the endzone, one which was picked and several which should have been and he got lucky? And the fumbles. Jfc the fumbles.

I think this coaching staff sees Trevor every day, and has to limit their playbook based on his deficiencies, but of course they can't say that. So the offense has to scheme around a bad O-line and a QB that makes bad decisions and has poor accuracy at times. We need to stop saying "Press/Trent/Doug bad, Trevor good" and maybe start considering that Trevor isn't the guy either.

The coaching staff is what you’re basing it off of? They suck.

You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the entire team went after Aziz after his dirty hit. Standing up for their QB that they respect. Instead, you’re talking about Doug’s body language? The guy who knew he was getting fired?

(12-13-2024, 08:12 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2024, 10:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]I think you need to start strongly considering the likelihood that Trevor isn't as good as you think he is and the coaching staff already knows this. Everything about their body language, press conference responses, and offensive scheme says as much.

Ask yourself this, why don't we work the middle of the field? Because they don't trust Trevor's inaccuracy and overthrows. That's why we work the sidelines so much.  Doug has been critical of Trevor going back to last year. Compare that to how he talks about the O-line. Remember the games last year where Trevor threw those horrible passes in the endzone, one which was picked and several which should have been and he got lucky? And the fumbles. Jfc the fumbles.

I think this coaching staff sees Trevor every day, and has to limit their playbook based on his deficiencies, but of course they can't say that. So the offense has to scheme around a bad O-line and a QB that makes bad decisions and has poor accuracy at times. We need to stop saying "Press/Trent/Doug bad, Trevor good" and maybe start considering that Trevor isn't the guy either.

The coaching staff is what you’re basing it off of? They suck.

You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the entire team went after Aziz after his dirty hit. Standing up for their QB that they respect. Instead, you’re talking about Doug’s body language? The guy who knew he was getting fired?

Agreed. It's an awful take really. Also, other than Nick Foles (People forget, he also made Chip Kelly look good for one season) getting streaky for the Eagles, it's not like Doug's track record with QB's has been all that great. As the years progress, it's looking more and more like he's overrated as an offensive "guru". He's a modern day Brian Billick, minus the all-star defense and running game that can carry him. 

The same situation with Lawrence that's been unfolding here since last season is the same situation we saw unfold with Wentz up there under his "guidance". Doug is overrated and subpar at best and so is his coaching hires along his staff. The funny part about this take above?

Lawrence practically made a living last year over the middle with Engram getting over 100 catches due to having to supplement for the poor running game. This is after he had his ankle ruined, his knee in a brace earlier that same season, the AC injury that he's now getting surgery on that was damaged last year, and, a concussion at one point. That's with Kirk also out of the picture, Zay Jones in and out of the line-up and Ridley free lancing most of the time downfield.

When you also look at Doug's history on offense? 

It's been pretty basic, he just scaled back on the RPO stuff with Lawrence. A lot of what they did in Philadelphia was twin TE sets, bubble screens and vertical shots downfield and they got away with it more up there because he had three all-pro's on his offensive line, an actual running game by committee and a defense that was stacked and coached by Jim Schwartz.

There's hardly any creativity or motion used in this offense. There's seldom any screen plays being utilized. There's really not a whole lot other than trying to force something that's not there or waiting until the last possible minute or 2nd half of football games to actually get their best WR involved in the gameplan in BTJ.

(12-09-2024, 06:54 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]I give up with this place at times. 'Trevors done', 'he's now Tua', 'he's one hit from retirement' and now people are annoyed we won as that's hurt our draft position and suddenly we were going to get a haul of draft picks which would turn the roster around (ignoring the years of us not doing that with top 5 picks)

We've got more than enough genuine stuff to be concerned about with the roster and franchise, we don't need to start inventing new drama.

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(12-13-2024, 09:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 08:12 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The coaching staff is what you’re basing it off of? They suck.

You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the entire team went after Aziz after his dirty hit. Standing up for their QB that they respect. Instead, you’re talking about Doug’s body language? The guy who knew he was getting fired?

Agreed. It's an awful take really. Also, other than Nick Foles (People forget, he also made Chip Kelly look good for one season) getting streaky for the Eagles, it's not like Doug's track record with QB's has been all that great. As the years progress, it's looking more and more like he's overrated as an offensive "guru". He's a modern day Brian Billick, minus the all-star defense and running game that can carry him. 

The same situation with Lawrence that's been unfolding here since last season is the same situation we saw unfold with Wentz up there under his "guidance". Doug is overrated and subpar at best and so is his coaching hires along his staff. The funny part about this take above?

Lawrence practically made a living last year over the middle with Engram getting over 100 catches due to having to supplement for the poor running game. This is after he had his ankle ruined, his knee in a brace earlier that same season, the AC injury that he's now getting surgery on that was damaged last year, and, a concussion at one point. That's with Kirk also out of the picture, Zay Jones in and out of the line-up and Ridley free lancing most of the time downfield.

When you also look at Doug's history on offense? 

It's been pretty basic, he just scaled back on the RPO stuff with Lawrence. A lot of what they did in Philadelphia was twin TE sets, bubble screens and vertical shots downfield and they got away with it more up there because he had three all-pro's on his offensive line, an actual running game by committee and a defense that was stacked and coached by Jim Schwartz.

There's hardly any creativity or motion used in this offense. There's seldom any screen plays being utilized. There's really not a whole lot other than trying to force something that's not there or waiting until the last possible minute or 2nd half of football games to actually get their best WR involved in the gameplan in BTJ.

Denny What's His Face was on the radio this morning and Prosser tried to get him to call out the play sheet and play caller. He said, "It's the same playbook everybody uses. If you just can't do anything well it doesn't matter what the play call is." Prosser pressed, "Shouldn't they be throwing it deep?" Denny, "The best thing for the deep ball is a running game."

People just don't get it, if they can stop the run with 3 defenders then no one is going to get open downfield.

This team can't screen, run, or throw because the interior linemen aren't good enough. End of story.

(12-13-2024, 01:09 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 09:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. It's an awful take really. Also, other than Nick Foles (People forget, he also made Chip Kelly look good for one season) getting streaky for the Eagles, it's not like Doug's track record with QB's has been all that great. As the years progress, it's looking more and more like he's overrated as an offensive "guru". He's a modern day Brian Billick, minus the all-star defense and running game that can carry him. 

The same situation with Lawrence that's been unfolding here since last season is the same situation we saw unfold with Wentz up there under his "guidance". Doug is overrated and subpar at best and so is his coaching hires along his staff. The funny part about this take above?

Lawrence practically made a living last year over the middle with Engram getting over 100 catches due to having to supplement for the poor running game. This is after he had his ankle ruined, his knee in a brace earlier that same season, the AC injury that he's now getting surgery on that was damaged last year, and, a concussion at one point. That's with Kirk also out of the picture, Zay Jones in and out of the line-up and Ridley free lancing most of the time downfield.

When you also look at Doug's history on offense? 

It's been pretty basic, he just scaled back on the RPO stuff with Lawrence. A lot of what they did in Philadelphia was twin TE sets, bubble screens and vertical shots downfield and they got away with it more up there because he had three all-pro's on his offensive line, an actual running game by committee and a defense that was stacked and coached by Jim Schwartz.

There's hardly any creativity or motion used in this offense. There's seldom any screen plays being utilized. There's really not a whole lot other than trying to force something that's not there or waiting until the last possible minute or 2nd half of football games to actually get their best WR involved in the gameplan in BTJ.

Denny What's His Face was on the radio this morning and Prosser tried to get him to call out the play sheet and play caller. He said, "It's the same playbook everybody uses. If you just can't do anything well it doesn't matter what the play call is." Prosser pressed, "Shouldn't they be throwing it deep?" Denny, "The best thing for the deep ball is a running game."

People just don't get it, if they can stop the run with 3 defenders then no one is going to get open downfield.

This team can't screen, run, or throw because the interior linemen aren't good enough. End of story.

Correct. It's still, whether we like it or not, his job to figure it out and scheme this offense out of that funk. He hasn't. He's also on the hook for failing to find the right defensive coordinator to carry him. Baalke of course gets his fair share of the blame as well. I just don't have much faith in either of these guys anymore. Injuries are also going to happen. It's apart of the game. Teams still find ways to get it done.

(12-13-2024, 01:35 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 01:09 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Denny What's His Face was on the radio this morning and Prosser tried to get him to call out the play sheet and play caller. He said, "It's the same playbook everybody uses. If you just can't do anything well it doesn't matter what the play call is." Prosser pressed, "Shouldn't they be throwing it deep?" Denny, "The best thing for the deep ball is a running game."

People just don't get it, if they can stop the run with 3 defenders then no one is going to get open downfield.

This team can't screen, run, or throw because the interior linemen aren't good enough. End of story.

Correct. It's still, whether we like it or not, his job to figure it out and scheme this offense out of that funk. He hasn't. He's also on the hook for failing to find the right defensive coordinator to carry him. Baalke of course gets his fair share of the blame as well. I just don't have much faith in either of these guys anymore. Injuries are also going to happen. It's apart of the game. Teams still find ways to get it done.

They. Both. Are. Bad. At. Their. Jobs.

I am starting to hear the Term "COACH KILLER" when talking about Lawrence from reviewers outside of the Jaguars.

(12-13-2024, 01:48 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I am starting to hear the Term "COACH KILLER" when talking about Lawrence from reviewers outside of the Jaguars.

Bruh...  "Reviewers outside of the Jaguars" don't even what our games.  What the [BLEEP] would they know about anything related to this team.  Half those people can't even pronounce the names of our players.  Even the announcers get our player's names wrong, for crying out loud.

(12-13-2024, 01:52 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 01:48 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I am starting to hear the Term "COACH KILLER" when talking about Lawrence from reviewers outside of the Jaguars.

Bruh...  "Reviewers outside of the Jaguars" don't even what our games.  What the [BLEEP] would they know about anything related to this team.  Half those people can't even pronounce the names of our players.  Even the announcers get our player's names wrong, for crying out loud.

It is clear from your post history that we will not agree on this.  I am looking at the results on the field, from the stats, from the mistakes I can clearly pin on Lawrence, Bro we got announcers on Live Television calling out Lawrence for missing wide open receivers, What the expectations are versus the reality of what is happening.

I get your stance:  Your stance is the entire team is bad, the coaching stinks, most of the blame is not on #16.  You believe it's the team that has failed the player and not the Player who has failed the team.

We just disagree on it.  I believe #16 isn't as good as you think he is.  I stated this earlier and will state it again.  If we started this season over in the exact same situation but trade Lawrence to the Chiefs for Mahomes or Lawrence for Josh Allen, or Lawrence for Joe Burrow: I am betting my savings that the Jaguars make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, each of those teams would be much worse off.  That is the difference. 

Lawrence is Young and has time to grow but that does not guarantee he will.  It is year 4 and I still see year 1 mistakes too often on the field.  His turnover tendency has also killed the team. Studies have shown time and time again if you lose the turnover battle you almost always lose the game. 

Look at this list: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has...e-2020-nfl Notice that Lawrence is 3rd and Josh Allen is first?  Most people who agree that Both Josh Allen and Kirk Cousins are much better QB's than Lawrence so how can this be?  The difference is those 2 players create plays, make the right reads, make td's, and keep their team competitive. We have a Star right now on the field with BJT and Lawrence managed to throw for under 200 yards a game in 6 games this year.  I do not have the faith you have in him.   Then his concussion history to add to the fact.

(12-13-2024, 02:12 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 01:52 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Bruh...  "Reviewers outside of the Jaguars" don't even what our games.  What the [BLEEP] would they know about anything related to this team.  Half those people can't even pronounce the names of our players.  Even the announcers get our player's names wrong, for crying out loud.

It is clear from your post history that we will not agree on this.  I am looking at the results on the field, from the stats, from the mistakes I can clearly pin on Lawrence, Bro we got announcers on Live Television calling out Lawrence for missing wide open receivers, What the expectations are versus the reality of what is happening.

I get your stance:  Your stance is the entire team is bad, the coaching stinks, most of the blame is not on #16.  You believe it's the team that has failed the player and not the Player who has failed the team.

We just disagree on it.  I believe #16 isn't as good as you think he is.  I stated this earlier and will state it again.  If we started this season over in the exact same situation but trade Lawrence to the Chiefs for Mahomes or Lawrence for Josh Allen, or Lawrence for Joe Burrow: I am betting my savings that the Jaguars make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, each of those teams would be much worse off.  That is the difference. 

Lawrence is Young and has time to grow but that does not guarantee he will.  It is year 4 and I still see year 1 mistakes too often on the field.  His turnover tendency has also killed the team. Studies have shown time and time again if you lose the turnover battle you almost always lose the game. 

Look at this list:  Notice that Lawrence is 3rd and Josh Allen is first?  Most people who agree that Both Josh Allen and Kirk Cousins are much better QB's than Lawrence so how can this be?  The difference is those 2 players create plays, make the right reads, make td's, and keep their team competitive. We have a Star right now on the field with BJT and Lawrence managed to throw for under 200 yards a game in 6 games this year.  I do not have the faith you have in him.   Then his concussion history to add to the fact.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has...e-2020-nfl

Yeah, we are not going to see eye to eye on this...

(12-13-2024, 02:12 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 01:52 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Bruh...  "Reviewers outside of the Jaguars" don't even what our games.  What the [BLEEP] would they know about anything related to this team.  Half those people can't even pronounce the names of our players.  Even the announcers get our player's names wrong, for crying out loud.

It is clear from your post history that we will not agree on this.  I am looking at the results on the field, from the stats, from the mistakes I can clearly pin on Lawrence, Bro we got announcers on Live Television calling out Lawrence for missing wide open receivers, What the expectations are versus the reality of what is happening.

I get your stance:  Your stance is the entire team is bad, the coaching stinks, most of the blame is not on #16.  You believe it's the team that has failed the player and not the Player who has failed the team.

We just disagree on it.  I believe #16 isn't as good as you think he is.  I stated this earlier and will state it again.  If we started this season over in the exact same situation but trade Lawrence to the Chiefs for Mahomes or Lawrence for Josh Allen, or Lawrence for Joe Burrow: I am betting my savings that the Jaguars make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, each of those teams would be much worse off.  That is the difference. 

Lawrence is Young and has time to grow but that does not guarantee he will.  It is year 4 and I still see year 1 mistakes too often on the field.  His turnover tendency has also killed the team. Studies have shown time and time again if you lose the turnover battle you almost always lose the game. 

Look at this list: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has...e-2020-nfl  Notice that Lawrence is 3rd and Josh Allen is first?  Most people who agree that Both Josh Allen and Kirk Cousins are much better QB's than Lawrence so how can this be?  The difference is those 2 players create plays, make the right reads, make td's, and keep their team competitive. We have a Star right now on the field with BJT and Lawrence managed to throw for under 200 yards a game in 6 games this year.  I do not have the faith you have in him.   Then his concussion history to add to the fact.

Interesting that you changed it from Darnold to Mahomes and Allen.... The clear best 2 QBs in the league.

Has anyone said Lawrence is as good as Mahomes and Allen? No.

Also. Are the Bengals making the playoffs? 

Interesting.....

(12-13-2024, 02:22 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 02:12 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]It is clear from your post history that we will not agree on this.  I am looking at the results on the field, from the stats, from the mistakes I can clearly pin on Lawrence, Bro we got announcers on Live Television calling out Lawrence for missing wide open receivers, What the expectations are versus the reality of what is happening.

I get your stance:  Your stance is the entire team is bad, the coaching stinks, most of the blame is not on #16.  You believe it's the team that has failed the player and not the Player who has failed the team.

We just disagree on it.  I believe #16 isn't as good as you think he is.  I stated this earlier and will state it again.  If we started this season over in the exact same situation but trade Lawrence to the Chiefs for Mahomes or Lawrence for Josh Allen, or Lawrence for Joe Burrow: I am betting my savings that the Jaguars make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, each of those teams would be much worse off.  That is the difference. 

Lawrence is Young and has time to grow but that does not guarantee he will.  It is year 4 and I still see year 1 mistakes too often on the field.  His turnover tendency has also killed the team. Studies have shown time and time again if you lose the turnover battle you almost always lose the game. 

Look at this list: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has...e-2020-nfl  Notice that Lawrence is 3rd and Josh Allen is first?  Most people who agree that Both Josh Allen and Kirk Cousins are much better QB's than Lawrence so how can this be?  The difference is those 2 players create plays, make the right reads, make td's, and keep their team competitive. We have a Star right now on the field with BJT and Lawrence managed to throw for under 200 yards a game in 6 games this year.  I do not have the faith you have in him.   Then his concussion history to add to the fact.

Interesting that you changed it from Darnold to Mahomes and Allen.... The clear best 2 QBs in the league.

Has anyone said Lawrence is as good as Mahomes and Allen? No.

Also. Are the Bengals making the playoffs? 

Interesting.....

The Vikings may let Sam Darnold go after this season in order to make room for JJ McCarthy.  Is Darnold an upgrade on TL?  Should the Jags try to list him?

(12-13-2024, 01:48 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I am starting to hear the Term "COACH KILLER" when talking about Lawrence from reviewers outside of the Jaguars.

Meh. Other than Richard Sherman recently saying something about having a new coach in 2025 to prove it wasn't Doug that was the problem. I haven't seen too much of this in the mainstream. Richard has always had a hot take against Trevor though going back to his rookie season for sure. 

I don't think he's a coach killer at all. I think the problem is that he's killing himself physically trying to play hero ball for a sinking ship of a franchise that has squandered their luck to begin with when they drafted him and stuck him with Urban Meyer.

We'll see in 2025. We can only hope Khan does what's right and cuts bait with Baalke and Pederson. That's been the primary issue since day one with this "marriage" in Jacksonville. You essentially forced two guys to work together and they never got into lockstep. A number of personnel decisions have been questionable at times and the BIGGEST issue, alright, the BIGGEST issue, since 2021.

Trenches. Period. It's been the trenches. No push from the interior on defense, at all, no 3rd or 4th man rotation wise at DE/OLB that could at least be HALF the men of Hines-Allen and Walker and then when you look at the offensive line, alright, again, no running game, no push in short yardage situations, not enough competent investments being made to ultimately create continuity and consistency to drive the team forward on both sides of the football.

We just don't have "it" when you watch this team play up front. The two biggest groups on this roster are below average or towards the bottom. Baalke spent more time building it from the outside in Vs. building the foundation first. He struck out when he did attempt to add some pieces along the way. 

Look at how fast the Chargers turned it around in one off season. They didn't screw around. Harbaugh said he wanted a stronger unit up front, he wanted to be able to pound the rock and he wanted to play better on defense. He's done that. He emphasized the need to get tougher, he created that culture, and it's no different than what he did at San Francisco and Michigan. 

That's been his M.O since coaching at any level. When you look at our team? What is our culture? What is our identity? What is our bread and butter plays that we call on offense? Who are the consistent players on defense that show up in critical moments? We don't have an answer for any of that and that chiefly falls on your disconnect between the front office and coaching staff.

Lawrence having to play Hero Ball every gameday is a joke and now we're reaping what we sow due to complete and total failure and inept philosophies above his head.

(12-13-2024, 03:42 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 02:22 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting that you changed it from Darnold to Mahomes and Allen.... The clear best 2 QBs in the league.

Has anyone said Lawrence is as good as Mahomes and Allen? No.

Also. Are the Bengals making the playoffs? 

Interesting.....

The Vikings may let Sam Darnold go after this season in order to make room for JJ McCarthy.  Is Darnold an upgrade on TL?  Should the Jags try to list him?

Buddy. I mean this with disrespect. I couldn't care less what you have to say on any subject matter related to the Jags.

(12-13-2024, 01:09 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 09:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. It's an awful take really. Also, other than Nick Foles (People forget, he also made Chip Kelly look good for one season) getting streaky for the Eagles, it's not like Doug's track record with QB's has been all that great. As the years progress, it's looking more and more like he's overrated as an offensive "guru". He's a modern day Brian Billick, minus the all-star defense and running game that can carry him. 

The same situation with Lawrence that's been unfolding here since last season is the same situation we saw unfold with Wentz up there under his "guidance". Doug is overrated and subpar at best and so is his coaching hires along his staff. The funny part about this take above?

Lawrence practically made a living last year over the middle with Engram getting over 100 catches due to having to supplement for the poor running game. This is after he had his ankle ruined, his knee in a brace earlier that same season, the AC injury that he's now getting surgery on that was damaged last year, and, a concussion at one point. That's with Kirk also out of the picture, Zay Jones in and out of the line-up and Ridley free lancing most of the time downfield.

When you also look at Doug's history on offense? 

It's been pretty basic, he just scaled back on the RPO stuff with Lawrence. A lot of what they did in Philadelphia was twin TE sets, bubble screens and vertical shots downfield and they got away with it more up there because he had three all-pro's on his offensive line, an actual running game by committee and a defense that was stacked and coached by Jim Schwartz.

There's hardly any creativity or motion used in this offense. There's seldom any screen plays being utilized. There's really not a whole lot other than trying to force something that's not there or waiting until the last possible minute or 2nd half of football games to actually get their best WR involved in the gameplan in BTJ.

Denny What's His Face was on the radio this morning and Prosser tried to get him to call out the play sheet and play caller. He said, "It's the same playbook everybody uses. If you just can't do anything well it doesn't matter what the play call is." Prosser pressed, "Shouldn't they be throwing it deep?" Denny, "The best thing for the deep ball is a running game."

People just don't get it, if they can stop the run with 3 defenders then no one is going to get open downfield.

This team can't screen, run, or throw because the interior linemen aren't good enough. End of story.

I've said my piece about this issue.  But I will admit, the interior O-Line is really bad.  It's hard to be successful when the QB is getting pressured straight up the middle constantly.  It's hard to be successful when we rarely can convert 3rd and 1s...  

I'm more of a coaches not players guy.  But at the end of the day, if you don't have a decent O-Line, you're not going to be good.

(12-13-2024, 04:05 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2024, 03:42 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]The Vikings may let Sam Darnold go after this season in order to make room for JJ McCarthy.  Is Darnold an upgrade on TL?  Should the Jags try to list him?

Buddy. I mean this with disrespect. I couldn't care less what you have to say on any subject matter related to the Jags.

I second that motion.

(12-13-2024, 01:48 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I am starting to hear the Term "COACH KILLER" when talking about Lawrence from reviewers outside of the Jaguars.

LOL, you could just as easy call Doug and Press "Young QB career Killers"  Actually there is more evidence that way. Although I am sure Doug is quite capable of helping a young QB have a career like he did.

It's always the idiots with a join date of 2021 or recent that have the dumbest takes about Trevor.