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(09-09-2024, 10:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 09:15 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/mikerenner_/status/1...7041119741

Yea but let's not let this dude continue to air it out the entire 2nd half. ETN cost them the game but this coaching staff continues to let Trevor down.

Agreed. 21 pass attempts. 12 completions, 3 dropped 3rd down conversions, 3 sacks surrendered, 1 sack that torpedo their opening drive and then back-to-back sacks that came back full circle to finish their day off for good. 

Somebody needs to be held more accountable within that coaching staff. Sure, the players need to execute better in specific situations, however, this is year three now and we're having the very same conversations per usual.

At what point do we collectively decide that the coaching staff needs to make further adjustments and/or hold people and personnel more accountable or make significant changes with their play calling. 

Again, 21 [BLEEP] pass attempts. After the passing game looked good with chunk plays with just those 12 completions to look at. You're paying this man $55M per year now. Time to let him cook.

How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

Edit: I also look at that list of QBs and pass attempts and can't help but notice the Jags had the largest lead of any of them except for Dak. We lost this game on momentum, nothing more. That's an issue, but it's not like Lawrence not throwing the ball is why they lost. It's because they didn't finish. Fortunately it's week 1 and not a division game, no need to hit up the Modis just yet.

(09-09-2024, 10:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 10:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. 21 pass attempts. 12 completions, 3 dropped 3rd down conversions, 3 sacks surrendered, 1 sack that torpedo their opening drive and then back-to-back sacks that came back full circle to finish their day off for good. 

Somebody needs to be held more accountable within that coaching staff. Sure, the players need to execute better in specific situations, however, this is year three now and we're having the very same conversations per usual.

At what point do we collectively decide that the coaching staff needs to make further adjustments and/or hold people and personnel more accountable or make significant changes with their play calling. 

Again, 21 [BLEEP] pass attempts. After the passing game looked good with chunk plays with just those 12 completions to look at. You're paying this man $55M per year now. Time to let him cook.

How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

Come on now. There would be no message board if we couldn't at least have conversations about the plays we are watching.

(09-09-2024, 10:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 10:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. 21 pass attempts. 12 completions, 3 dropped 3rd down conversions, 3 sacks surrendered, 1 sack that torpedo their opening drive and then back-to-back sacks that came back full circle to finish their day off for good. 

Somebody needs to be held more accountable within that coaching staff. Sure, the players need to execute better in specific situations, however, this is year three now and we're having the very same conversations per usual.

At what point do we collectively decide that the coaching staff needs to make further adjustments and/or hold people and personnel more accountable or make significant changes with their play calling. 

Again, 21 [BLEEP] pass attempts. After the passing game looked good with chunk plays with just those 12 completions to look at. You're paying this man $55M per year now. Time to let him cook.

How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

It's hard to say. It's going to be speculative at best. It's also going to fall back on what Lawrence, Pederson and Press say openly. Which we'll probably never know the truth. 

As far as accountability with Engram and Kirk? Maybe you specifically call different plays with different personnel to send a message to them. Give Strange those opportunities. Give Washington those opportunities. 

At the end of the day. All I know is this. The past eight games have been dog [BLEEP]. One win against a dog [BLEEP] franchise that gave up 40 points yesterday with a dog [BLEEP] owner. There's nothing to be proud about here, there's no in between here for me. I am not going to pull positives anymore out of losses or look for moral victories. 

My concern, is that, we're seeing the same miscues, mistakes and ineptitude rear it's ugly head with this coaching staff and personnel and at some point, the excuses need to stop and the results need to show up, whether that's from the staff or personnel, or, likely both, something has to give. 

Khan himself has openly stated what the expectations are, even if it was woefully off the mark in regards to this being the greatest team ever assembled in franchise history. He had a point. So, again, why is it that those other teams that threw blockbuster contract's at their Quarterback's are getting a [BLEEP] of passing attempts and ours didn't yesterday?

At what point do they let this kid really open it up? It was working in the first half. That's what's causing everybody to scratch their heads. Ultimately, just looking at the splits through Pro Football Reference. 

He had 14 pass attempts in the 1st half. 7 pass attempts in the 2nd half. While leading, he had 19 pass attempts. With the game tied at 17-17, he had 2 attempts. That's all he had. 

So, I don't know. Speculation I guess. But, again, does 21 pass attempts seem like enough for a QB that you're paying elite money towards and expecting elite play out of? Even if he changed the passing opportunity to a run play, maybe, two, three times? Is 23 pass attempts enough to justify the QB pay?

(09-09-2024, 10:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 10:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

Come on now. There would be no message board if we couldn't at least have conversations about the plays we are watching.

Of course you're right. I just inject some alternative thoughts into this maelstrom of negativity to remind folks that this is supposed to be fun and whether or not the Jaguars lose, none of us are in danger of losing our jobs over it.

(09-09-2024, 10:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 10:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. 21 pass attempts. 12 completions, 3 dropped 3rd down conversions, 3 sacks surrendered, 1 sack that torpedo their opening drive and then back-to-back sacks that came back full circle to finish their day off for good. 

Somebody needs to be held more accountable within that coaching staff. Sure, the players need to execute better in specific situations, however, this is year three now and we're having the very same conversations per usual.

At what point do we collectively decide that the coaching staff needs to make further adjustments and/or hold people and personnel more accountable or make significant changes with their play calling. 

Again, 21 [BLEEP] pass attempts. After the passing game looked good with chunk plays with just those 12 completions to look at. You're paying this man $55M per year now. Time to let him cook.

How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

Edit: I also look at that list of QBs and pass attempts and can't help but notice the Jags had the largest lead of any of them except for Dak. We lost this game on momentum, nothing more. That's an issue, but it's not like Lawrence not throwing the ball is why they lost. It's because they didn't finish. Fortunately it's week 1 and not a division game, no need to hit up the Modis just yet.

I'm not sure there's much time to change plays as it seems to take forever for this team to break the huddle and get up to the line.

(09-09-2024, 10:28 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 10:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

It's hard to say. It's going to be speculative at best. It's also going to fall back on what Lawrence, Pederson and Press say openly. Which we'll probably never know the truth. 

As far as accountability with Engram and Kirk? Maybe you specifically call different plays with different personnel to send a message to them. Give Strange those opportunities. Give Washington those opportunities. 

At the end of the day. All I know is this. The past eight games have been dog [BLEEP]. One win against a dog [BLEEP] franchise that gave up 40 points yesterday with a dog [BLEEP] owner. There's nothing to be proud about here, there's no in between here for me. I am not going to pull positives anymore out of losses or look for moral victories. 

My concern, is that, we're seeing the same miscues, mistakes and ineptitude rear it's ugly head with this coaching staff and personnel and at some point, the excuses need to stop and the results need to show up, whether that's from the staff or personnel, or, likely both, something has to give. 

Khan himself has openly stated what the expectations are, even if it was woefully off the mark in regards to this being the greatest team ever assembled in franchise history. He had a point. So, again, why is it that those other teams that threw blockbuster contract's at their Quarterback's are getting a [BLEEP] of passing attempts and ours didn't yesterday?

At what point do they let this kid really open it up? It was working in the first half. That's what's causing everybody to scratch their heads. Ultimately, just looking at the splits through Pro Football Reference. 

He had 14 pass attempts in the 1st half. 7 pass attempts in the 2nd half. While leading, he had 19 pass attempts. With the game tied at 17-17, he had 2 attempts. That's all he had. 

So, I don't know. Speculation I guess. But, again, does 21 pass attempts seem like enough for a QB that you're paying elite money towards and expecting elite play out of? Even if he changed the passing opportunity to a run play, maybe, two, three times? Is 23 pass attempts enough to justify the QB pay?

And that's going to ruin your enjoyment of the game itself. The NFL is built so that teams lose, and lose regularly. It's a tough game of inches and yesterday we lost because of the 36 of them between ETN's fumble and the goal line. Lawrence played a good first half and had them in position to take a 3 score lead in the second half, so yes, 21 attempts should've been plenty of attempts for them to win. We had a 14 point swing in 30 seconds yesterday and they couldn't recover from it. Tough loss against a good team, it happens. I'm not happy about it but it's week 1, you need to relax or you'll have outrage fatigue by mid-season.

(09-08-2024, 09:50 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-08-2024, 09:32 PM)Look Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is the final sack. Will likely have to wait until the All-22 is released to see the others (and a better view) but for the people saying Trevor needs to be better and can't take these sacks..

Exactly what is he supposed to do here? Scramble out to his right and pray it turns into a scramble drill? That's easier said than done especially for us fans who are sitting on the couch. Hes got his eyes down field.

Nobody is open.. The most open guy is ETN and he's at the LOS. It's 3rd and 14.

Kirk is blanketed in the middle of the screen. Engram covered on the bottom of the screen. Davis and BTJ are both being doubled with a Safety sitting over the top of each of them. It was a coverage sack on a play that everybody on the planet knew had to be a throw.
https://twitter.com/TrollPats/status/183...7489377756

Stepping up and to the right was the right move. You do that and who knows who ends up being open or how the play develops.

Harrison did his job to a point - the pass rushers went up field - and if Trevor steps up and moves to the right, Phillips has no chance of sacking Trevor.

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(09-09-2024, 11:55 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-08-2024, 09:50 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Stepping up and to the right was the right move. You do that and who knows who ends up being open or how the play develops.

Harrison did his job to a point - the pass rushers went up field - and if Trevor steps up and moves to the right, Phillips has no chance of sacking Trevor.

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https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...4672667768

Yeah. That 2nd play was just really good coverage. He didn't have anywhere to go with it. Would need to have a built in safety valve there it feels like to at least avoid eating that or have some ability to flush left or right and buy time for a potential coverage breakdown.

On the 1st play, yes, he absolutely had Engram breaking wide open in front of him. Just didn't see him there as he sensed that pressure coming from Harrison's side. It's a combination of a lot of things going wrong for this offense with their defense doing a lot of things right at the perfect time. 

Hopefully they'll learn from this.

(09-09-2024, 12:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 11:55 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

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https://twitter.com/acosta32_jp/status/1...4672667768

Yeah. That 2nd play was just really good coverage. He didn't have anywhere to go with it. Would need to have a built in safety valve there it feels like to at least avoid eating that or have some ability to flush left or right and buy time for a potential coverage breakdown.

On the 1st play, yes, he absolutely had Engram breaking wide open in front of him. Just didn't see him there as he sensed that pressure coming from Harrison's side. It's a combination of a lot of things going wrong for this offense with their defense doing a lot of things right at the perfect time. 

Hopefully they'll learn from this.

Someone used to say, "the other guys get paid too." That's the takeaway this week, the Jags are a middle of the pack team in the League built to have everyone in the middle of the pack. They can and should be better this week, but winning is always going to be hard.

(09-09-2024, 12:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 12:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. That 2nd play was just really good coverage. He didn't have anywhere to go with it. Would need to have a built in safety valve there it feels like to at least avoid eating that or have some ability to flush left or right and buy time for a potential coverage breakdown.

On the 1st play, yes, he absolutely had Engram breaking wide open in front of him. Just didn't see him there as he sensed that pressure coming from Harrison's side. It's a combination of a lot of things going wrong for this offense with their defense doing a lot of things right at the perfect time. 

Hopefully they'll learn from this.

Someone used to say, "the other guys get paid too." That's the takeaway this week, the Jags are a middle of the pack team in the League built to have everyone in the middle of the pack. They can and should be better this week, but winning is always going to be hard.

It isn't if you catch the damn football or hold onto it with two hands.

(09-09-2024, 12:35 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 12:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Someone used to say, "the other guys get paid too." That's the takeaway this week, the Jags are a middle of the pack team in the League built to have everyone in the middle of the pack. They can and should be better this week, but winning is always going to be hard.

It isn't if you catch the damn football or hold onto it with two hands.

Well of course, but these are humans who aren't perfect. When your roster isn't good enough it's about getting better players. When it is good enough it's about execution and overcoming adversity. The Jags are the second one.

(09-09-2024, 12:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 12:35 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It isn't if you catch the damn football or hold onto it with two hands.

Well of course, but these are humans who aren't perfect. When your roster isn't good enough it's about getting better players. When it is good enough it's about execution and overcoming adversity. The Jags are the second one.

Did Khan get that memo? Because it sure as [BLEEP] sounded like he expects this team to be in win now mode and that it's the best team ever assembled in Jaguars history.

(09-09-2024, 12:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 12:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Well of course, but these are humans who aren't perfect. When your roster isn't good enough it's about getting better players. When it is good enough it's about execution and overcoming adversity. The Jags are the second one.

Did Khan get that memo? Because it sure as [BLEEP] sounded like he expects this team to be in win now mode and that it's the best team ever assembled in Jaguars history.

Did losing by a field goal in week 1 to a very good playoff team on the road mean that we aren't in "win now" mode or something? The overreactions today are off the charts. They weren't going to win them all, on the map of a season this is a minor blip. Last year they went 1-2 to start and ended up 8-3 a couple months later before the house collapsed. Let's take a breath, it's a long season and there was plenty to be positive about yesterday too. Everyone doesn't need to turn into SnowWolfie in week 1.

Second half play calling was the problem.
Didn't happen in a vacuum. The Phins probably made some adjustments on their D that the Jags didn't fully gameplan for and those adjustments caused them to check out of passing plays. They'll look at their play calling process. Mike McDaniel has outfoxed most of the coaches in the NFL by now.

(09-08-2024, 06:39 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]He’s not a rookie, he’s a QB with a $250M contract.

You gotta give me more during crunch time. Sorry. My standards are higher than this.  At least he didn’t turn the ball over. That’s a huge positive. He’s averaging over a TO per game so at least that was cleaned up so far.

Not sure what he coulda done, rollout runs right into the pass rush, step up puts you in defender's grasp, I mean I guess he coulda Levis'd it. That worked out, right?

This was certainly a team loss. ETN fumbled, D let the Phins move into FG range, lost the turnover battle, dropped some easy catches, plenty of blame to go round.

(09-09-2024, 10:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 10:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. 21 pass attempts. 12 completions, 3 dropped 3rd down conversions, 3 sacks surrendered, 1 sack that torpedo their opening drive and then back-to-back sacks that came back full circle to finish their day off for good. 

Somebody needs to be held more accountable within that coaching staff. Sure, the players need to execute better in specific situations, however, this is year three now and we're having the very same conversations per usual.

At what point do we collectively decide that the coaching staff needs to make further adjustments and/or hold people and personnel more accountable or make significant changes with their play calling. 

Again, 21 [BLEEP] pass attempts. After the passing game looked good with chunk plays with just those 12 completions to look at. You're paying this man $55M per year now. Time to let him cook.

How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

Edit: I also look at that list of QBs and pass attempts and can't help but notice the Jags had the largest lead of any of them except for Dak. We lost this game on momentum, nothing more. That's an issue, but it's not like Lawrence not throwing the ball is why they lost. It's because they didn't finish. Fortunately it's week 1 and not a division game, no need to hit up the Modis just yet.

The Internet is full of people who want us to get rid of Press. You're saying Trevor is the problem, aren't you?

(09-09-2024, 06:43 AM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s pretty obvious at this point one thing Trevor is not very good at is escaping the pocket when the initial look isn’t there or if there is any type of edge pressure. 

It’s not always the same cause but there are times where the clock in his head is still too slow when the look / design isn’t there and he doesn’t have a great feel for ‘Hey it’s time for me to go and create something here because the throw I wanted isn’t there.’

Yesterday as one poster already pointed out on that last drive both plays he would have had an opportunity to do so by stepping up and rolling right since Phillips took a really wide rush. But that has never been his game for as long as I have seen him play. He can make some really impressive throws. And sometimes under duress. But the instinct to go and create off script just isn’t there.

That being said I do agree with what posters have been saying and that is our play calling is not tailored to his strengths.

The entire second half we revert to this ultra conservative play calling which featured a first down run every time , usually followed by a short pass screen or another run to try and get into third and manageable… which we were not able to convert.

It’s like we are calling plays on every down based on some football coaching for dummies Manuel that tells us we need to be in 3rd and 5 or less here and then when we get into that situation we run routes exactly at the sticks or if it’s short enough we try to wedge block and drive for a first which we are clearly still
Not capable of doing.

There was little aggression on early downs play action downfield shots… which did have some effect on their pass rush BTW once we figured out we didn’t want to leave the end unblocked after the first play. And there is less creativity with downfield passing play design on early downs.

First and second down defense doesn’t know if it’s run or pass… makes it easier for o line to pass pro.. we use those downs almost exclusively for run or short pass.. then when the defense knows we have to throw on third down we obviously struggle to hold up in protection consistently. 

At some point the play calling needs to make life easier on the players with their deficiencies in mind. Instead we choose to make life harder for ourselves, this is why every drive feels so much harder. We have a QB that excels in a few things and one is pushing the ball down the field. And we refuse to do it for most of the game except on obvious passing situations.

Not like he standing around waiting for plays to develop, it's kinda hard to react when the pressure is practically immediate. The expectation of him responding to the pressure basically would require him to start adding lib from the snap. That ain't how plays are supposed to work.

It was a bad play, thus far not enough to say it defines the line or the QB. I'll wait a week before I start jerkin my knees around

(09-09-2024, 03:38 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 06:43 AM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s pretty obvious at this point one thing Trevor is not very good at is escaping the pocket when the initial look isn’t there or if there is any type of edge pressure. 

It’s not always the same cause but there are times where the clock in his head is still too slow when the look / design isn’t there and he doesn’t have a great feel for ‘Hey it’s time for me to go and create something here because the throw I wanted isn’t there.’

Yesterday as one poster already pointed out on that last drive both plays he would have had an opportunity to do so by stepping up and rolling right since Phillips took a really wide rush. But that has never been his game for as long as I have seen him play. He can make some really impressive throws. And sometimes under duress. But the instinct to go and create off script just isn’t there.

That being said I do agree with what posters have been saying and that is our play calling is not tailored to his strengths.

The entire second half we revert to this ultra conservative play calling which featured a first down run every time , usually followed by a short pass screen or another run to try and get into third and manageable… which we were not able to convert.

It’s like we are calling plays on every down based on some football coaching for dummies Manuel that tells us we need to be in 3rd and 5 or less here and then when we get into that situation we run routes exactly at the sticks or if it’s short enough we try to wedge block and drive for a first which we are clearly still
Not capable of doing.

There was little aggression on early downs play action downfield shots… which did have some effect on their pass rush BTW once we figured out we didn’t want to leave the end unblocked after the first play. And there is less creativity with downfield passing play design on early downs.

First and second down defense doesn’t know if it’s run or pass… makes it easier for o line to pass pro.. we use those downs almost exclusively for run or short pass.. then when the defense knows we have to throw on third down we obviously struggle to hold up in protection consistently. 

At some point the play calling needs to make life easier on the players with their deficiencies in mind. Instead we choose to make life harder for ourselves, this is why every drive feels so much harder. We have a QB that excels in a few things and one is pushing the ball down the field. And we refuse to do it for most of the game except on obvious passing situations.

Not like he standing around waiting for plays to develop, it's kinda hard to react when the pressure is practically immediate. The expectation of him responding to the pressure basically would require him to start adding lib from the snap. That ain't how plays are supposed to work.

It was a bad play, thus far not enough to say it defines the line or the QB. I'll wait a week before I start jerkin my knees around

No one is saying he is always standing around. But I can’t think of many times where Trevor has eluded a rusher … scrambled outside the pocket and found a receiver who broke off his route or went streaking down the sideline ALA Mahomes or Allen pretty frequently… AND THATS OK! He doesn’t have to be Mahomes or Allen. Do I still think there are times where his clock is off and he misses reads or holds on to it to long ? Yes but many QBs do.. only the elite ones do it so rarely that it’s noticeable when it actually happens to them.

All in all I think with a better scheme more suited to Lawerence’s and our playmakers abilities we can win a lot of games with Lawerence Because he is a good athlete and has a great arm.  And that is the point of my above post. Do I think he will ever be a top 5 QB probably not. But I will be happy to be proven wrong.

(09-09-2024, 03:35 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 10:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]How many pass plays were called in the second half? I continue to see the QB change the call at the line, so how many times did the play called actually get run? Is that a problem? How do you hold Lawrence or Engram or Kirk "accountable"? Harrison got beat for sacks, do you want to run Van Lanen out there instead? The things you say are great platitudes, but how do you actual do it in a meaningful way? That's why criticism from us bleacher dwellers is just hot air, we don't know what's wrong, who's responsible, and what to do about it, but boy do we have very strong opinions about it!

Edit: I also look at that list of QBs and pass attempts and can't help but notice the Jags had the largest lead of any of them except for Dak. We lost this game on momentum, nothing more. That's an issue, but it's not like Lawrence not throwing the ball is why they lost. It's because they didn't finish. Fortunately it's week 1 and not a division game, no need to hit up the Modis just yet.

The Internet is full of people who want us to get rid of Press. You're saying Trevor is the problem, aren't you?

He did hold the ball too long on that last drive which led to one of the sacks.  He also had a couple of balls sail on him during the game.  I'm not concerned about him.  A QB is not likely to have every one of his passes be on time and on target through out the entirety of a game, but if we're slicing up the blame pie for this loss, he does get a very small piece of it.

The majority of the pie goes to ETN and whoever on the defense is responsible for letting Tyreek run wild immediately after.  Lets hope they bounce back this weekend.

(09-09-2024, 04:01 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-09-2024, 03:35 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]The Internet is full of people who want us to get rid of Press. You're saying Trevor is the problem, aren't you?

He did hold the ball too long on that last drive which led to one of the sacks.  He also had a couple of balls sail on him during the game.  I'm not concerned about him.  A QB is not likely to have every one of his passes be on time and on target through out the entirety of a game, but if we're slicing up the blame pie for this loss, he does get a very small piece of it.

The majority of the pie goes to ETN and whoever on the defense is responsible for letting Tyreek run wild immediately after.  Lets hope they bounce back this weekend.

The defense held the number 1 offense to 17 points until the last play of the game where they had to hit a 50 + yarder to win it.  Held then to zero points after Doug went for it on his own 30, multiple 3 and outs from our offense as well.  The D is way down the list on why we lost the game yesterday.