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(06-16-2024, 10:21 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-16-2024, 07:38 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

READ dumb [BLEEP] 

You're quoting a different stat 

Turnovers don't eqaul INTs snd 2021 doesn't equal 2022 , you troll knob

Oh here we go again...

If you're going to add a tweet saying that Trevor "[...]was the toughest QB in the conference to pick off in 2022." and you don't see the relevance of the fact that he's turned the ball over more than anyone since he's been in the league.  I don't know what to tell you.

Interceptions make up the vast majority of turnovers in the league for QBs, and the stat I posted includes 2022 in his three years of playing.  Doug Pederson just said (at the end 2023) this is where Lawrence has to get better. “It's the biggest thing that he has to focus on moving forward,” Pederson said, via ESPN. “We just can't have this amount of turnovers."

Hehe, I admit that "troll knob" is pretty funny though.

Oh here we go again - 

Some clown who hasn't watched the games and as a result doesn't understand the relevance of 2022 stats compared to the other years.

Let me spell it out for those slow on the uptake:

2022 was the only year he had a subpar but just functional enough O-Line that allowed a run game to compliment a sensical passing attack - and even if he had the second lowest pocket time in the league to work from that year - that was enough for Doug's mesh concept playbook to operate with some functionality as well.

2023 was a dysfunctional wreck from the front five so those of us with brains and even the most minimal experience watching football understand it affected his performance negatively. 

If you're trying to use 2021 to pick on the QB here, you're just a douche-nozzle. 
Urban Meyer, LOL, c'mon...

(06-16-2024, 06:31 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-16-2024, 05:48 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldnt it just get merged into this one?  216 pages just seems excessive to me but whatever.

Here you go: https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=39119

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(06-16-2024, 06:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence will finish top eight this year in QB rankings between QBR, TD's, rushing and completion percentage.

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It's because he throws frozen ropes. He'll be fine in year four. I think this is the season he soldifies his elite status for good.

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https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-tu...since-2021

Depends where and how you pull your data from, I suppose.

Just go hang out on the Texans board dude. Stop pretending.

(06-16-2024, 02:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I laugh at the idea that Trevor is a problem. Watch older football and just the history of this franchise. Get some perspective. I blame modern bad ideas and the unrealistic expectations. You know it is hard to win a championship.

Brady and Mahomes are not the norm. We are just spoiled to witness then play. Enjoy Trevor for what he does not what you think he should do. The AFC is loaded with competition.

It’s almost as if somehow most of the fan base collectively forgets just how bad this franchise was after losing an adequate QB (Garrard) from 2011-2016.

(06-17-2024, 08:51 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-16-2024, 02:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I laugh at the idea that Trevor is a problem. Watch older football and just the history of this franchise. Get some perspective. I blame modern bad ideas and the unrealistic expectations. You know it is hard to win a championship.

Brady and Mahomes are not the norm. We are just spoiled to witness then play. Enjoy Trevor for what he does not what you think he should do. The AFC is loaded with competition.

It’s almost as if somehow most of the fan base collectively forgets just how bad this franchise was after losing an adequate QB (Garrard) from 2011-2016.

I don't think anyone said "Trevor is a problem."

Some feel a franchise QB should get a decent team over the hump to being a contender. Trevor has a chance to do that in year 4. Proving the naysayers wrong is only added motivation.

(06-17-2024, 09:00 AM)NFLfandom Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 08:51 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s almost as if somehow most of the fan base collectively forgets just how bad this franchise was after losing an adequate QB (Garrard) from 2011-2016.

I don't think anyone said "Trevor is a problem."

Some feel a franchise QB should get a decent team over the hump to being a contender. Trevor has a chance to do that in year 4. Proving the naysayers wrong is only added motivation.

They're over the hump with him though already. He proved it in 2022 and he was off to a great start in 2023 prior to that ankle injury.

This is why this fanbase gets riled up with the casuals and box score readers. It was clear this team was poised to replicate or surpass what they did in 2022 in 2023.

(06-17-2024, 09:04 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 09:00 AM)NFLfandom Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think anyone said "Trevor is a problem."

Some feel a franchise QB should get a decent team over the hump to being a contender. Trevor has a chance to do that in year 4. Proving the naysayers wrong is only added motivation.

They're over the hump with him though already. He proved it in 2022 and he was off to a great start in 2023 prior to that ankle injury.

This is why this fanbase gets riled up with the casuals and box score readers. It was clear this team was poised to replicate or surpass what they did in 2022 in 2023.

So, the Jaguars are actual contenders to winning it all? They are over the hump and are true contenders right now. Ok, I truly hope that is proven to be true this season on the grass.

And if you are referring to me a "casual" or "box score reader" than I accept your ignorance and forgive you. I enjoy your reading your posts and respect your opinion.

(06-17-2024, 09:15 AM)NFLfandom Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 09:04 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They're over the hump with him though already. He proved it in 2022 and he was off to a great start in 2023 prior to that ankle injury.

This is why this fanbase gets riled up with the casuals and box score readers. It was clear this team was poised to replicate or surpass what they did in 2022 in 2023.

So the Jaguars are actual contenders to winning it all? They are over the hump and are true contenders right now. Ok, I truly hope that is proven to be true this season on the grass.

And if you are referring to me a "casual" or "box score reader" than I accept your ignorance and forgive you. I enjoy your reading your posts and respect your opinion.

Yes. Any team at any point in this league can be a contender. It's possible. Dynasties rise and fall all the time. The ball bounces in your favor here and there all the time over a full season. Injuries come up all the time and derail any consistent team. That was our story in 2023 with the injury bug. They still managed a 9 - 8 record. 

I think the schedule is a little less intimidating and tedious than last year's run, especially down the stretch. I like this team's odds with a new defensive approach and a few draft classes having had time to develop a little bit more from last year and the year prior. Think it's realistic to expect a double digit winning record and a play-off run in 2024. 

You're not paying Lawrence all of this money to remain subpar forever.

And, no, was not referring to you. I don't mince my words on here. I directly call out trolls and goblins. The other thing about this year though, just in general, it's this whole new special teams layout with kick returns. 

A lot of subpar teams could very well win a game or two they shouldn't because of these rules and a good team could very well lose a game or two that they normally would win because of these rules.

(06-17-2024, 08:51 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-16-2024, 02:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I laugh at the idea that Trevor is a problem. Watch older football and just the history of this franchise. Get some perspective. I blame modern bad ideas and the unrealistic expectations. You know it is hard to win a championship.

Brady and Mahomes are not the norm. We are just spoiled to witness then play. Enjoy Trevor for what he does not what you think he should do. The AFC is loaded with competition.

It’s almost as if somehow most of the fan base collectively forgets just how bad this franchise was after losing an adequate QB (Garrard) from 2011-2016.

You mean the worst franchise in all of sports? That level bad?

There are legit only a few QBs ever drafted that could have come in here in do what Trevor has done for this franchise.

Between the losing culture, the worst HC in NFL history, to the lack of weapons as a rookie, to the pressure of being the #1 pick…. Very few QBs could have led this team to a playoff victory in year 2 and an 8-3 record in year 3.

Throw Mahomes in there year 1 like that? Josh Allen?…. Not sure even those dudes could have done that and they’re amazing. But Mahomes had Andy Reid and say for year behind Alex Smith who likely taught him how to be a pro.

The pressure that was thrown on that 21 year old kid is something not many people take into account. Not just the pressure to win but to change a franchises narrative and culture LITERALLY BY HIMSELF as a rookie is nuts.

(06-17-2024, 09:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 08:51 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s almost as if somehow most of the fan base collectively forgets just how bad this franchise was after losing an adequate QB (Garrard) from 2011-2016.

You mean the worst franchise in all of sports? That level bad?

There are legit only a few QBs ever drafted that could have come in here in do what Trevor has done for this franchise.

Between the losing culture, the worst HC in NFL history, to the lack of weapons as a rookie, to the pressure of being the #1 pick…. Very few QBs could have led this team to a playoff victory in year 2 and an 8-3 record in year 3.

Throw Mahomes in there year 1 like that? Josh Allen?…. Not sure even those dudes could have done that and they’re amazing. But Mahomes had Andy Reid and say for year behind Alex Smith who likely taught him how to be a pro.

The pressure that was thrown on that 21 year old kid is something not many people take into account. Not just the pressure to win but to change a franchises narrative and culture LITERALLY BY HIMSELF as a rookie is nuts.

He's got the toughest skin in football from carrying that dumpster fire around on his shoulders.

(06-17-2024, 05:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-16-2024, 10:21 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Oh here we go again...

If you're going to add a tweet saying that Trevor "[...]was the toughest QB in the conference to pick off in 2022." and you don't see the relevance of the fact that he's turned the ball over more than anyone since he's been in the league.  I don't know what to tell you.

Interceptions make up the vast majority of turnovers in the league for QBs, and the stat I posted includes 2022 in his three years of playing.  Doug Pederson just said (at the end 2023) this is where Lawrence has to get better. “It's the biggest thing that he has to focus on moving forward,” Pederson said, via ESPN. “We just can't have this amount of turnovers."

Hehe, I admit that "troll knob" is pretty funny though.

Oh here we go again - 

Some clown who hasn't watched the games and as a result doesn't understand the relevance of 2022 stats compared to the other years.

Let me spell it out for those slow on the uptake:

2022 was the only year he had a subpar but just functional enough O-Line that allowed a run game to compliment a sensical passing attack - and even if he had the second lowest pocket time in the league to work from that year - that was enough for Doug's mesh concept playbook to operate with some functionality as well.

2023 was a dysfunctional wreck from the front five so those of us with brains and even the most minimal experience watching football understand it affected his performance negatively. 

If you're trying to use 2021 to pick on the QB here, you're just a douche-nozzle. 
Urban Meyer, LOL, c'mon...

Okay, okay...let's talk about 2022, Lawrence was the 5th highest QB in the league in turnovers, despite having his best performance so far with 25 TDs and only 8 INTs.  He lost 9 fumbles, that's 4 more than any other QB in the league.  And before you jump back to "Turnovers don't eqaul INTs": in the Jags miraculous playoff comeback, which I give Trevor tons of credit for, he threw 3 INTs in the first half and added another one in the second...which is pretty strange for "the toughest QB in the conference to pick off."

So to sum up, your point is:

2021 - Outlier
2022 - Counts if you only consider INTs but not fumbles, but the playoffs were an Outlier
2023 - Outlier
2024 - The Head Coach's recent statement about Trevor having to reduce turnovers: Outlier

"It’s the biggest thing that he has to focus on moving forward,” Pederson said, via ESPN. “We just can’t have this amount of turnovers. How we turn the ball over, where we turn the ball over, it doesn’t matter. We’ve got to protect the football. That’s the No. 1 thing. For the quarterback, the person that touches the ball every snap, we got to make sure the emphasis is taking care of the ball."

And here's the craziest thing, the last time we had a similar 'discussion' you got on me because I called Trevor elite where you preferred could be elite.

NYC4Jags Wrote:LOL

Gimme a break

The "elite" term is a hot-button demarkation in all of the QB salary talk orbiting Jacksonville currently.

IS elite 
vs
COULD BE Elite 

These two phrases are worlds apart in the current context

I also stated "I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance." The QB has to have consistency for the team to be considered in the upper tier of NFL franchises.


Finally for all of the "You're a Troll" happy posters, I've been here since 2006.  Expressing thought out opinions doesn't make someone a troll (or a clown/douche-nozzle^), even if you disagree.  If you're into that sort of thing check out /r/jaguars on reddit and downvote anything that indicates that Trevor still has some work to do before being considered a top 5 NFL QB.

(06-17-2024, 09:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 08:51 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s almost as if somehow most of the fan base collectively forgets just how bad this franchise was after losing an adequate QB (Garrard) from 2011-2016.

You mean the worst franchise in all of sports? That level bad?

There are legit only a few QBs ever drafted that could have come in here in do what Trevor has done for this franchise.

Between the losing culture, the worst HC in NFL history, to the lack of weapons as a rookie, to the pressure of being the #1 pick…. Very few QBs could have led this team to a playoff victory in year 2 and an 8-3 record in year 3.

Throw Mahomes in there year 1 like that? Josh Allen?…. Not sure even those dudes could have done that and they’re amazing. But Mahomes had Andy Reid and say for year behind Alex Smith who likely taught him how to be a pro.

The pressure that was thrown on that 21 year old kid is something not many people take into account. Not just the pressure to win but to change a franchises narrative and culture LITERALLY BY HIMSELF as a rookie is nuts.

We were a hair's breadth from being stuck with Zach Wilson. It's amazing how differently both franchises diverged based on just one victory in 2020. I don't think it was just the NY media getting to him up there, he just weren't good.

We are in very good shape. Thank goodness.

(06-17-2024, 12:20 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 05:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Oh here we go again - 

Some clown who hasn't watched the games and as a result doesn't understand the relevance of 2022 stats compared to the other years.

Let me spell it out for those slow on the uptake:

2022 was the only year he had a subpar but just functional enough O-Line that allowed a run game to compliment a sensical passing attack - and even if he had the second lowest pocket time in the league to work from that year - that was enough for Doug's mesh concept playbook to operate with some functionality as well.

2023 was a dysfunctional wreck from the front five so those of us with brains and even the most minimal experience watching football understand it affected his performance negatively. 

If you're trying to use 2021 to pick on the QB here, you're just a douche-nozzle. 
Urban Meyer, LOL, c'mon...

Okay, okay...let's talk about 2022, Lawrence was the 5th highest QB in the league in turnovers, despite having his best performance so far with 25 TDs and only 8 INTs.  He lost 9 fumbles, that's 4 more than any other QB in the league.  And before you jump back to "Turnovers don't eqaul INTs": in the Jags miraculous playoff comeback, which I give Trevor tons of credit for, he threw 3 INTs in the first half and added another one in the second...which is pretty strange for "the toughest QB in the conference to pick off."

So to sum up, your point is:

2021 - Outlier
2022 - Counts if you only consider INTs but not fumbles, but the playoffs were an Outlier
2023 - Outlier
2024 - The Head Coach's recent statement about Trevor having to reduce turnovers: Outlier

"It’s the biggest thing that he has to focus on moving forward,” Pederson said, via ESPN. “We just can’t have this amount of turnovers. How we turn the ball over, where we turn the ball over, it doesn’t matter. We’ve got to protect the football. That’s the No. 1 thing. For the quarterback, the person that touches the ball every snap, we got to make sure the emphasis is taking care of the ball."

And here's the craziest thing, the last time we had a similar 'discussion' you got on me because I called Trevor elite where you preferred could be elite.

NYC4Jags Wrote:LOL

Gimme a break

The "elite" term is a hot-button demarkation in all of the QB salary talk orbiting Jacksonville currently.

IS elite 
vs
COULD BE Elite 

These two phrases are worlds apart in the current context

I also stated "I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance."  The QB has to have consistency for the team to be considered in the upper tier of NFL franchises.


Finally for all of the "You're a Troll" happy posters, I've been here since 2006.  Expressing thought out opinions doesn't make someone a troll (or a clown/douche-nozzle^), even if you disagree.  If you're into that sort of thing check out /r/jaguars on reddit and downvote anything that indicates that Trevor still has some work to do before being considered a top 5 NFL QB.

44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

(06-16-2024, 04:35 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]When stats say he's top 5, the stat boys will say he finally arrived.  That's how this works.  Don't trust your lying eyes.

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(06-16-2024, 02:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I laugh at the idea that Trevor is a problem. Watch older football and just the history of this franchise. Get some perspective. I blame modern bad ideas and the unrealistic expectations. You know it is hard to win a championship.

Brady and Mahomes are not the norm. We are just spoiled to witness then play. Enjoy Trevor for what he does not what you think he should do. The AFC is loaded with competition.

You can just say you blame fantasy football (which I play) and I would agree.  Fantasy has people focused almost exclusively on stats because that's all that matters in that realm.  They think that because player x didn't contribute to them competing or winning a fantasy championship, he's clearly not as good as player y who did.  It's horse [BLEEP].

Fantasy football is a bonus to the NFL. I was talking more along the idea of filling up sports talk radio and other picking apart of everything associated with sports.

(06-17-2024, 01:02 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 09:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You mean the worst franchise in all of sports? That level bad?

There are legit only a few QBs ever drafted that could have come in here in do what Trevor has done for this franchise.

Between the losing culture, the worst HC in NFL history, to the lack of weapons as a rookie, to the pressure of being the #1 pick…. Very few QBs could have led this team to a playoff victory in year 2 and an 8-3 record in year 3.

Throw Mahomes in there year 1 like that? Josh Allen?…. Not sure even those dudes could have done that and they’re amazing. But Mahomes had Andy Reid and say for year behind Alex Smith who likely taught him how to be a pro.

The pressure that was thrown on that 21 year old kid is something not many people take into account. Not just the pressure to win but to change a franchises narrative and culture LITERALLY BY HIMSELF as a rookie is nuts.

We were a hair's breadth from being stuck with Zach Wilson. It's amazing how differently both franchises diverged based on just one victory in 2020. I don't think it was just the NY media getting to him up there, he just weren't good.

We are in very good shape. Thank goodness.

This is the part that I always think of with Trevor. If not for Frank Gore, we would have probably taken Zach Wilson. Just imagine both careers exactly as they are now but swap Wilson for Lawrence, we would all be complaining about how close we were to Lawrence and how we wish we had a QB like him.

(06-17-2024, 06:34 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 01:02 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]We were a hair's breadth from being stuck with Zach Wilson. It's amazing how differently both franchises diverged based on just one victory in 2020. I don't think it was just the NY media getting to him up there, he just weren't good.

We are in very good shape. Thank goodness.

This is the part that I always think of with Trevor. If not for Frank Gore, we would have probably taken Zach Wilson. Just imagine both careers exactly as they are now but swap Wilson for Lawrence, we would all be complaining about how close we were to Lawrence and how we wish we had a QB like him.

Winding up with Zach Wilson as the consolation prize would have been so #becausejaguars.  The jests can have that hashtag now, though I'm sure they had something similar already, poor tormented fanbase that they are (and we have historically been).

(06-17-2024, 08:33 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 06:34 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]This is the part that I always think of with Trevor. If not for Frank Gore, we would have probably taken Zach Wilson. Just imagine both careers exactly as they are now but swap Wilson for Lawrence, we would all be complaining about how close we were to Lawrence and how we wish we had a QB like him.

Winding up with Zach Wilson as the consolation prize would have been so #becausejaguars.  The jests can have that hashtag now, though I'm sure they had something similar already, poor tormented fanbase that they are (and we have historically been).

It would have been incredibly #becausejaguars to win 1 game and miss out on Lawrence. The crazy thing was we weren't even tanking for Lawrence, we were just that bad! 

We all know it's not fun being the laughing stock of the league and especially as long as we were. It's nice being able to feel sorry for other fanbases. We've had back to back winning seasons!!

(06-17-2024, 01:09 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 12:20 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, okay...let's talk about 2022, Lawrence was the 5th highest QB in the league in turnovers, despite having his best performance so far with 25 TDs and only 8 INTs.  He lost 9 fumbles, that's 4 more than any other QB in the league.  And before you jump back to "Turnovers don't eqaul INTs": in the Jags miraculous playoff comeback, which I give Trevor tons of credit for, he threw 3 INTs in the first half and added another one in the second...which is pretty strange for "the toughest QB in the conference to pick off."

So to sum up, your point is:

2021 - Outlier
2022 - Counts if you only consider INTs but not fumbles, but the playoffs were an Outlier
2023 - Outlier
2024 - The Head Coach's recent statement about Trevor having to reduce turnovers: Outlier

"It’s the biggest thing that he has to focus on moving forward,” Pederson said, via ESPN. “We just can’t have this amount of turnovers. How we turn the ball over, where we turn the ball over, it doesn’t matter. We’ve got to protect the football. That’s the No. 1 thing. For the quarterback, the person that touches the ball every snap, we got to make sure the emphasis is taking care of the ball."

And here's the craziest thing, the last time we had a similar 'discussion' you got on me because I called Trevor elite where you preferred could be elite.


I also stated "I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance."  The QB has to have consistency for the team to be considered in the upper tier of NFL franchises.


Finally for all of the "You're a Troll" happy posters, I've been here since 2006.  Expressing thought out opinions doesn't make someone a troll (or a clown/douche-nozzle^), even if you disagree.  If you're into that sort of thing check out /r/jaguars on reddit and downvote anything that indicates that Trevor still has some work to do before being considered a top 5 NFL QB.

44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Butterfingers?

(06-17-2024, 10:42 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 01:09 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Butterfingers?

Really bad day. That was the Eagles game, was it not? With tropical storm type winds going on if I remember correctly.

(06-17-2024, 01:09 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 12:20 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, okay...let's talk about 2022, Lawrence was the 5th highest QB in the league in turnovers, despite having his best performance so far with 25 TDs and only 8 INTs.  He lost 9 fumbles, that's 4 more than any other QB in the league.  And before you jump back to "Turnovers don't eqaul INTs": in the Jags miraculous playoff comeback, which I give Trevor tons of credit for, he threw 3 INTs in the first half and added another one in the second...which is pretty strange for "the toughest QB in the conference to pick off."

So to sum up, your point is:

2021 - Outlier
2022 - Counts if you only consider INTs but not fumbles, but the playoffs were an Outlier
2023 - Outlier
2024 - The Head Coach's recent statement about Trevor having to reduce turnovers: Outlier

"It’s the biggest thing that he has to focus on moving forward,” Pederson said, via ESPN. “We just can’t have this amount of turnovers. How we turn the ball over, where we turn the ball over, it doesn’t matter. We’ve got to protect the football. That’s the No. 1 thing. For the quarterback, the person that touches the ball every snap, we got to make sure the emphasis is taking care of the ball."

And here's the craziest thing, the last time we had a similar 'discussion' you got on me because I called Trevor elite where you preferred could be elite.


I also stated "I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance."  The QB has to have consistency for the team to be considered in the upper tier of NFL franchises.


Finally for all of the "You're a Troll" happy posters, I've been here since 2006.  Expressing thought out opinions doesn't make someone a troll (or a clown/douche-nozzle^), even if you disagree.  If you're into that sort of thing check out /r/jaguars on reddit and downvote anything that indicates that Trevor still has some work to do before being considered a top 5 NFL QB.

44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Trevor has 21 lost fumbles in 3 years. I have not looked up records for lost fumbles for a QB over a 3 year span, but there is no way to spin that to the positive.

The turnovers need to stop, and I won't even get on him for all the picks. I have said I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump to becoming a true contender for World Championships. One thing that will help is him protecting the football.

(06-18-2024, 10:50 AM)NFLfandom Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-17-2024, 01:09 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Trevor has 21 lost fumbles in 3 years. I have not looked up records for lost fumbles for a QB over a 3 year span, but there is no way to spin that to the positive.

The turnovers need to stop, and I won't even get on him for all the picks. I have said I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump to becoming a true contender for World Championships. One thing that will help is him holding on to the football.

There needs to be context on these drive-by flippant criticisms.  Your fumble complaint may have some merit even though it's blown out of proportion by the 4 fumble game in 2022 during a tropical storm.  Your "I won't even get on him for all the picks" back hand betrays how you're not really in tune with reality when it comes to Trevor.  He had 8 picks during the 2022 regular season.  Pretty damn good.  Through the first 12 games last year, he had 7 picks and the one during the 2nd Houston matchup was on a timing route where Engram was clearly and badly held and the announcers were going crazy about the no call.  (There were apparent make up calls in our favor on the following drive, so it appeared the refs knew they [BLEEP] up) Trevor was then injured in the 12th game against Cincy with a high ankle sprain.  He played 4 more games after that and threw another 7 picks in those 4 games and had 3 fumbles in the final 3 games. Do you think the high ankle sprain might have affected his movement and throws? Because statistically it looks pretty clear that it did. Completion percentage took a dive as well.

With proper context, there's no "getting on him for all the picks" because over the past 2 years when healthy he's been damn good about not throwing them and even the fumbles probably aren't as big of a deal as it flippantly gets made out to be.

I'm pretty close to 100% certain that the offseason discussions would be drastically different if that high ankle sprain never happened.