(06-28-2024, 05:10 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (06-27-2024, 04:32 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]so we make like when they got married and everyone in Duval buy them a ton of diapers? 
Goff was a slow developer, but he's in a great spot now. I've never been able to get past how he wilted once the Pats discovered he couldn't figure things out (MUCH earlier in his career mind you) once the in-helmet comms went silent. I still have a hard time acknowledging that he's competent, but you can't deny that he's getting the job done with the loins.
Not sure I agree with Goff being a slow developer. Went 0 - 7 as a rookie and then immediately saw a different QB in years two and three with back-to-back Pro Bowl appearances, winning seasons and stats to back it.
All within a relatively difficult NFC West to compete in. I think Goff is underrated.
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To clarify, I said slow developer in the sense that he seemed to require a LOT of handholding (or maybe this is just McVay's m.o.) early on. For a first overall pick, you kinda expect a QB to not only have a grasp on playbook, but to be fluent enough to either audible or improvise when opportunities arise. We haven't seen that same level of dependence on coach or coordinator out of guys like Tlaw, Stroud(I know he wasn't #1), Burrow.
He seems to be a different player in Detroit. The change suited him well.
(06-27-2024, 02:13 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes is the only one id take over Trevor
I understand why some people would take Mahomes over Trevor, but I wouldn't, for two reasons. One, Trevor is 24 and Mahomes is 28. And the other reason is, Trevor is our guy. These aren't chess pieces, they are human beings, and our guy is our guy. Our guy has all the talent and character needed to be great, and I think he probably will be great. Mahomes is definitely better, and might always be better, but you don't just swap players like that, even if it was possible. It's like getting married. When you get married, you don't go around looking for an upgrade.
(06-28-2024, 08:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-27-2024, 02:13 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes is the only one id take over Trevor
I understand why some people would take Mahomes over Trevor, but I wouldn't, for two reasons. One, Trevor is 24 and Mahomes is 28. And the other reason is, Trevor is our guy. These aren't chess pieces, they are human beings, and our guy is our guy. Our guy has all the talent and character needed to be great, and I think he probably will be great. Mahomes is definitely better, and might always be better, but you don't just swap players like that, even if it was possible. It's like getting married. When you get married, you don't go around looking for an upgrade.
We have one of the highest divorce rates on the planet. I'll tell you right now. I would HAPPILY sacrifice Lawrence for what Mahomes has done in Kansas City. Are you kidding me? HAPPILY take those four or five Superbowl appearances and two or three Superbowl wins. Wouldn't hesitate. Wouldn't blink.
(06-28-2024, 08:19 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2024, 08:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I understand why some people would take Mahomes over Trevor, but I wouldn't, for two reasons. One, Trevor is 24 and Mahomes is 28. And the other reason is, Trevor is our guy. These aren't chess pieces, they are human beings, and our guy is our guy. Our guy has all the talent and character needed to be great, and I think he probably will be great. Mahomes is definitely better, and might always be better, but you don't just swap players like that, even if it was possible. It's like getting married. When you get married, you don't go around looking for an upgrade.
We have one of the highest divorce rates on the planet. I'll tell you right now. I would HAPPILY sacrifice Lawrence for what Mahomes has done in Kansas City. Are you kidding me? HAPPILY take those four or five Superbowl appearances and two or three Superbowl wins. Wouldn't hesitate. Wouldn't blink.
You can't actually think that if we trade for Patrick Mahomes, we get all the past Super Bowl wins with him. Those will still belong to Kansas City.
(06-28-2024, 08:19 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2024, 08:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I understand why some people would take Mahomes over Trevor, but I wouldn't, for two reasons. One, Trevor is 24 and Mahomes is 28. And the other reason is, Trevor is our guy. These aren't chess pieces, they are human beings, and our guy is our guy. Our guy has all the talent and character needed to be great, and I think he probably will be great. Mahomes is definitely better, and might always be better, but you don't just swap players like that, even if it was possible. It's like getting married. When you get married, you don't go around looking for an upgrade.
We have one of the highest divorce rates on the planet. I'll tell you right now. I would HAPPILY sacrifice Lawrence for what Mahomes has done in Kansas City. Are you kidding me? HAPPILY take those four or five Superbowl appearances and two or three Superbowl wins. Wouldn't hesitate. Wouldn't blink.
Wow! Trevor has a baby and you're ready to ship him out of Jacksonville? The NFL is about more than just wins and super bowl titles! It's about building a culture that makes players feel safe regardless of their performance.
(06-28-2024, 10:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2024, 08:19 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]We have one of the highest divorce rates on the planet. I'll tell you right now. I would HAPPILY sacrifice Lawrence for what Mahomes has done in Kansas City. Are you kidding me? HAPPILY take those four or five Superbowl appearances and two or three Superbowl wins. Wouldn't hesitate. Wouldn't blink.
You can't actually think that if we trade for Patrick Mahomes, we get all the past Super Bowl wins with him. Those will still belong to Kansas City.
Man, this is a JDub-level reply.
while the wording was a little awkward, you can't deny that a player with the experience of 4-5 appearances in the biggest game of the league year wouldn't hold some merit. I certainly would see that as an advantage when comparing the two guys.
(06-28-2024, 12:10 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2024, 10:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You can't actually think that if we trade for Patrick Mahomes, we get all the past Super Bowl wins with him. Those will still belong to Kansas City.
Man, this is a JDub-level reply.
while the wording was a little awkward, you can't deny that a player with the experience of 4-5 appearances in the biggest game of the league year wouldn't hold some merit. I certainly would see that as an advantage when comparing the two guys.
That may be what he meant, but that's not what he said.
(06-28-2024, 08:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-27-2024, 02:13 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes is the only one id take over Trevor
I understand why some people would take Mahomes over Trevor, but I wouldn't, for two reasons. One, Trevor is 24 and Mahomes is 28. And the other reason is, Trevor is our guy. These aren't chess pieces, they are human beings, and our guy is our guy. Our guy has all the talent and character needed to be great, and I think he probably will be great. Mahomes is definitely better, and might always be better, but you don't just swap players like that, even if it was possible. It's like getting married. When you get married, you don't go around looking for an upgrade.
The only way we would really know is to give him Urban Meyer for a year. Get rid of all that top level talent they have, give every 50-50 call against him and see if he still wins the SB.
That's the Trevor experience.
(06-29-2024, 12:20 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2024, 08:13 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I understand why some people would take Mahomes over Trevor, but I wouldn't, for two reasons. One, Trevor is 24 and Mahomes is 28. And the other reason is, Trevor is our guy. These aren't chess pieces, they are human beings, and our guy is our guy. Our guy has all the talent and character needed to be great, and I think he probably will be great. Mahomes is definitely better, and might always be better, but you don't just swap players like that, even if it was possible. It's like getting married. When you get married, you don't go around looking for an upgrade.
The only way we would really know is to give him Urban Meyer for a year. Get rid of all that top level talent they have, give every 50-50 call against him and see if he still wins the SB.
That's the Trevor experience.
Mahomes doesn't have to win the SB in the case you laid out, he just has to perform better than Lawrence did in order to make the case to swap them.
(06-29-2024, 12:37 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (06-29-2024, 12:20 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]The only way we would really know is to give him Urban Meyer for a year. Get rid of all that top level talent they have, give every 50-50 call against him and see if he still wins the SB.
That's the Trevor experience.
Mahomes doesn't have to win the SB in the case you laid out, he just has to perform better than Lawrence did in order to make the case to swap them.
If we're talking about trading Trevor now for Mahomes now, I would say no to that. So much of Mahomes' career is behind him. And besides, I don't like the idea of trading Trevor in the first place. He's our guy. He's embedded in the community and in this team. We've spent 3 years (2 really) developing him, and he's only 24 years old.
If we're saying what if Trevor and Mahomes were both in this year's draft, and I knew how good Mahomes would become, then of course I would take Mahomes.
(06-30-2024, 12:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/18074...FmatA&s=19
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I saw this on X earlier and almost commented on it, but thought it better for people that are asleep on Trevor to remain asleep. Keep in mind the 4 games played post high ankle sprain and the apparent statistically significant decline in completion percentage during that span. I'd bet he was at least a few percentage points lower on this list pre-injury. He had 165 attempts in those final 4 games which was over 29% of his 564 attempts for the season.
The narrative this year is gonna be wild to watch unfold in real time. People that don't pay close attention to the Jags are going to be "wow, Trevor really took strides this offseason" or "something really clicked for him this offseason". In reality, it will be because he (hopefully) hasn't suffered another debilitating or season ending injury and the o-line is markedly better providing him ample time. And hopefully there is another gear for Trevor to shift into as well.
(06-30-2024, 03:30 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (06-30-2024, 12:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/18074...FmatA&s=19
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I saw this on X earlier and almost commented on it, but thought it better for people that are asleep on Trevor to remain asleep. Keep in mind the 4 games played post high ankle sprain and the apparent statistically significant decline in completion percentage during that span. I'd bet he was at least a few percentage points lower on this list pre-injury. He had 165 attempts in those final 4 games which was over 29% of his 564 attempts for the season.
The narrative this year is gonna be wild to watch unfold in real time. People that don't pay close attention to the Jags are going to be "wow, Trevor really took strides this offseason" or "something really clicked for him this offseason". In reality, it will be because he (hopefully) hasn't suffered another debilitating or season ending injury and the o-line is markedly better providing him ample time. And hopefully there is another gear for Trevor to shift into as well.
Before the injury against the Bengals on Monday Night Football. I was convinced he was having his career day that night.
He was dialed in. Even the botched snap that was lobbed up that landed in Ridley's hands should have been caught.
That was the catalyst for the rest of the season's downfall. The ankle injury and Kirk's core injury the same night.
That was pretty much it.
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(06-30-2024, 03:38 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (06-30-2024, 03:30 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I saw this on X earlier and almost commented on it, but thought it better for people that are asleep on Trevor to remain asleep. Keep in mind the 4 games played post high ankle sprain and the apparent statistically significant decline in completion percentage during that span. I'd bet he was at least a few percentage points lower on this list pre-injury. He had 165 attempts in those final 4 games which was over 29% of his 564 attempts for the season.
The narrative this year is gonna be wild to watch unfold in real time. People that don't pay close attention to the Jags are going to be "wow, Trevor really took strides this offseason" or "something really clicked for him this offseason". In reality, it will be because he (hopefully) hasn't suffered another debilitating or season ending injury and the o-line is markedly better providing him ample time. And hopefully there is another gear for Trevor to shift into as well.
Before the injury against the Bengals on Monday Night Football. I was convinced he was having his career day that night.
He was dialed in. Even the botched snap that was lobbed up that landed in Ridley's hands should have been caught.
That was the catalyst for the rest of the season's downfall. The ankle injury and Kirk's core injury the same night.
That was pretty much it.
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You guys need to tamp this down a bit before you mess up my betting odds. This O-line/D-line solidify and the Jags can be really special this season. Nothing concrete tells me this, just a gut feeling.
(06-30-2024, 04:04 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-30-2024, 03:38 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Before the injury against the Bengals on Monday Night Football. I was convinced he was having his career day that night.
He was dialed in. Even the botched snap that was lobbed up that landed in Ridley's hands should have been caught.
That was the catalyst for the rest of the season's downfall. The ankle injury and Kirk's core injury the same night.
That was pretty much it.
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You guys need to tamp this down a bit before you mess up my betting odds. This O-line/D-line solidify and the Jags can be really special this season. Nothing concrete tells me this, just a gut feeling.
I don't bet games or super bowl odds, but I do play a lot of fantasy and have done a lot of early best ball standard and superflex drafts on Underdog and have been gobbling up shares of Trevor at his current value.
(06-30-2024, 04:21 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (06-30-2024, 04:04 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys need to tamp this down a bit before you mess up my betting odds. This O-line/D-line solidify and the Jags can be really special this season. Nothing concrete tells me this, just a gut feeling.
I don't bet games or super bowl odds, but I do play a lot of fantasy and have done a lot of early best ball standard and superflex drafts on Underdog and have been gobbling up shares of Trevor at his current value.
I have only began in 2022. I bet 10 bucks on AFC South Champ(+700)/AFC Championship(+5,000)/Super bowl(+10,000) so 30 bucks total. Last year did the same. Plan on same this year. So actually playing with house money. Those are the only bets I have made since we had a team! I don't suggest anyone do this...
NFL QB MVP odds (6/16):
Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs: +450 (bet $10 to win $55 total)
Josh Allen, Bills: +850 (bet $10 to win $95total)
C.J. Stroud, Texans: +850 (bet $10 to win $95 total)
Joe Burrow, Bengals: +900 (bet $10 to win $100 total)
Jordan Love, Packers: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total)
Lamar Jackson, Ravens: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total)
Brock Purdy, 49ers: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total)
Aaron Rodgers, Jets: +1600 (bet $10 to win $170 total)
Jalen Hurts, Eagles: +1600 (bet $10 to win $160 total)
Dak Prescott, Cowboys: +1600 (bet $10 to win $170 total)
Justin Herbert, Chargers: +2000 (bet $10 to win $190 total)
Tua Tagovailoa, Dolphins: +2200 (bet $10 to win $230 total)
Anthony Richardson, Colts: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
Matthew Stafford, Rams: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
(07-05-2024, 12:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]NFL QB MVP odds (6/16):
Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs: +450 (bet $10 to win $55 total)
Josh Allen, Bills: +850 (bet $10 to win $95total)
C.J. Stroud, Texans: +850 (bet $10 to win $95 total)
Joe Burrow, Bengals: +900 (bet $10 to win $100 total)
Jordan Love, Packers: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total)
Lamar Jackson, Ravens: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total)
Brock Purdy, 49ers: +1400 (bet $10 to win $150 total)
Aaron Rodgers, Jets: +1600 (bet $10 to win $170 total)
Jalen Hurts, Eagles: +1600 (bet $10 to win $160 total)
Dak Prescott, Cowboys: +1600 (bet $10 to win $170 total)
Justin Herbert, Chargers: +2000 (bet $10 to win $190 total)
Tua Tagovailoa, Dolphins: +2200 (bet $10 to win $230 total)
Anthony Richardson, Colts: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
Matthew Stafford, Rams: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars: +3000 (bet $10 to win $310 total)
The oddsmakers are practically begging even tinhorn fans to put some money on TLaw. I've never placed such a bet before, but this is tempting.
Those odds are a little dated being from 6/16. I'm finding TLaw at +2500 at the moment. Still, attractive odds, though.