You guys are overreacting a bit. It's going to get ugly in the Middle East for a while, but we're not getting our troops involved.
(04-14-2024, 10:39 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2024, 09:47 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's amazing to watch really.
Not only that... we all know Biden isn't running this thing. The guy can barely move and talk. He probably takes more naps than makes policy decisions. That knowledge won't keep Moderates from blindly supporting the next establishment candidate because "this one will be different." It's such a joke.
I agree that Biden doesn't have much influence over this situation. Our military have been war gaming scenarios similar to the last six months for at least 2 decades, probably 3.
Iran and the Palestinians each face a similar choice which has not fundamentally changed in that time. "Shall we build lives on the land we have, or shall we throw them away to try for control of Jerusalem (or Mecca)?"
Our leaders, across NATO, have continued to present that choice. I dont need the next candidate, I guess in 2028, to be much different in this area.
(04-14-2024, 11:21 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are overreacting a bit. It's going to get ugly in the Middle East for a while, but we're not getting our troops involved.
Not unless Iran or their proxys start targeting our troops overseas again and we hit back. That will be seen as an act of aggression somehow tied to Israel and poop will hit the fan.
And as I said before we're already involved along with the RAF in shooting down drones and/or missiles if the BBC was correct in their reports. Terrorists don't care if our posture was defensive, they just care that we were involved.
Isn't it America's 'duty' to defend Israel if they are attacked or do we just send them money for their defensive capabilities? Honest question. Maybe I just go look it up. I don't remember much from high school history anymore but I definitely don't remember learning about our part in helping the Jewish people settle where they are. I've read some stuff here and there but I haven't read a definitive book about it. I have just started reading a book about Golda Meir, Israel's first female Prime Minister. I assume it will cover this topic.
(04-14-2024, 12:52 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2024, 11:21 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are overreacting a bit. It's going to get ugly in the Middle East for a while, but we're not getting our troops involved.
Not unless Iran or their proxys start targeting our troops overseas again and we hit back. That will be seen as an act of aggression somehow tied to Israel and poop will hit the fan.
And as I said before we're already involved along with the RAF in shooting down drones and/or missiles if the BBC was correct in their reports. Terrorists don't care if our posture was defensive, they just care that we were involved.
Isn't it America's 'duty' to defend Israel if they are attacked or do we just send them money for their defensive capabilities? Honest question. Maybe I just go look it up. I don't remember much from high school history anymore but I definitely don't remember learning about our part in helping the Jewish people settle where they are. I've read some stuff here and there but I haven't read a definitive book about it. I have just started reading a book about Golda Meir, Israel's first female Prime Minister. I assume it will cover this topic.
The United States calls Israel an ally and has sent them material aid since they started out. There is no official treaty spelling it out like with NATO though. There is a treaty saying that we will give Egypt a similar amount of aid to what we give Israel, the Camp David accord.
(04-14-2024, 02:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2024, 12:52 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Not unless Iran or their proxys start targeting our troops overseas again and we hit back. That will be seen as an act of aggression somehow tied to Israel and poop will hit the fan.
And as I said before we're already involved along with the RAF in shooting down drones and/or missiles if the BBC was correct in their reports. Terrorists don't care if our posture was defensive, they just care that we were involved.
Isn't it America's 'duty' to defend Israel if they are attacked or do we just send them money for their defensive capabilities? Honest question. Maybe I just go look it up. I don't remember much from high school history anymore but I definitely don't remember learning about our part in helping the Jewish people settle where they are. I've read some stuff here and there but I haven't read a definitive book about it. I have just started reading a book about Golda Meir, Israel's first female Prime Minister. I assume it will cover this topic.
The United States calls Israel an ally and has sent them material aid since they started out. There is no official treaty spelling it out like with NATO though. There is a treaty saying that we will give Egypt a similar amount of aid to what we give Israel, the Camp David accord.
Israel has nukes because of a civilian project with France... but do you think the US didn't help with the science to weaponize the plutonium clandestinely?
I think we are inexorably attached to Israel.
(04-14-2024, 03:12 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2024, 02:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The United States calls Israel an ally and has sent them material aid since they started out. There is no official treaty spelling it out like with NATO though. There is a treaty saying that we will give Egypt a similar amount of aid to what we give Israel, the Camp David accord.
Israel has nukes because of a civilian project with France... but do you think the US didn't help with the science to weaponize the plutonium clandestinely?
I think we are inexorably attached to Israel.
It was long ago and probably doesn't matter, but I think historians will have a tough time figuring it out because plausible deniability was probably scrupulously maintained at each step.
South Africa (old white supremacist South Africa) also played a role in Israel getting nukes.
(04-14-2024, 12:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2024, 10:39 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Not only that... we all know Biden isn't running this thing. The guy can barely move and talk. He probably takes more naps than makes policy decisions. That knowledge won't keep Moderates from blindly supporting the next establishment candidate because "this one will be different." It's such a joke.
I agree that Biden doesn't have much influence over this situation. Our military have been war gaming scenarios similar to the last six months for at least 2 decades, probably 3.
Iran and the Palestinians each face a similar choice which has not fundamentally changed in that time. "Shall we build lives on the land we have, or shall we throw them away to try for control of Jerusalem (or Mecca)?"
Our leaders, across NATO, have continued to present that choice. I dont need the next candidate, I guess in 2028, to be much different in this area.
Yeah... sure... pretend I was talking about our military strategies. That's who's running the country. Our generals.
(04-14-2024, 04:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2024, 12:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that Biden doesn't have much influence over this situation. Our military have been war gaming scenarios similar to the last six months for at least 2 decades, probably 3.
Iran and the Palestinians each face a similar choice which has not fundamentally changed in that time. "Shall we build lives on the land we have, or shall we throw them away to try for control of Jerusalem (or Mecca)?"
Our leaders, across NATO, have continued to present that choice. I dont need the next candidate, I guess in 2028, to be much different in this area.
Yeah... sure... pretend I was talking about our military strategies. That's who's running the country. Our generals.
We're talking about geopolitics, not just military strategy. But yes, there are things the generals are willing to do and things they are not willing to do. There are things they are ready to do at a moment's notice and things they haven't planned yet. If your goal is "let there not be war", and that probably really is the best goal, then by definition you are not taking the initiative and may seem to be caught flat-footed, even if you have carefully displayed your massive capabilities to your enemies.
(04-15-2024, 10:57 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/...fM95w&s=19
Everybody knows that it did happen. She got paid, so she denied that there was an affair. Then for some reason she decided to come clean about it.
But that's not the crime he's charged with, anyway.
That's a funny reply: "Who are you going to believe, the fake blonde with the big boobs, or Stormy Daniels?"
(04-15-2024, 01:20 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-15-2024, 10:57 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/...fM95w&s=19
Everybody knows that it did happen. She got paid, so she denied that there was an affair. Then for some reason she decided to come clean about it.
But that's not the crime he's charged with, anyway.
That's a funny reply: "Who are you going to believe, the fake blonde with the big boobs, or Stormy Daniels?"
And everyone knows that you're full of [BLEEP].. Same stuff between your ears.
Pathetic..
(04-15-2024, 04:36 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-15-2024, 03:42 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I hope none of you invested in that.
https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/DJT?qsearchterm=
I only invest in carnival cruise lines
You could also invest in RINO's.. They trade in feces.
I ate at Taco Bell and bought Marty, cheap..