(11-04-2024, 10:00 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 09:45 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Some of this is on the Spanish people, but they won't own it. I'm speaking out of my [BLEEP] a little on this topic, so feel free to correct me.
How is it the Spanish people's fault ? Please explain.
Spain is a democracy or democratic republic like us. And they're well educated. There were people there who knew they were building in a flood zone and knew floods were imminent and those people were not put in positions of power or authority to warn others. Not a uniquely Spanish problem. Not that different from what you saw after Katrina, Harvey, or Helene here.
What’s their beef with the king?
(11-04-2024, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 10:00 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]How is it the Spanish people's fault ? Please explain.
Spain is a democracy or democratic republic like us. And they're well educated. There were people there who knew they were building in a flood zone and knew floods were imminent and those people were not put in positions of power or authority to warn others. Not a uniquely Spanish problem. Not that different from what you saw after Katrina, Harvey, or Helene here.
This is the description of three quarters of the countries in this world.
Btw, have you ever been in Spain, Valencia ? Just asking. My brother is living there.
Just because Valencia is by the sea doesn't mean we should assume it's systematically a risk area. With this reasoning, we should evacuate all the people in this world who live by the sea or near rivers, streams...
(11-04-2024, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What’s their beef with the king?
He represents power, authority. People have lost everything, especially family members, because the authorities did not warn the inhabitants early enough. Imagine your son walking home from school and being swept away by the waters because your government did not warn that the floods were coming. There is reason to be angry.
(11-04-2024, 02:56 PM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Spain is a democracy or democratic republic like us. And they're well educated. There were people there who knew they were building in a flood zone and knew floods were imminent and those people were not put in positions of power or authority to warn others. Not a uniquely Spanish problem. Not that different from what you saw after Katrina, Harvey, or Helene here.
This is the description of three quarters of the countries in this world.
Btw, have you ever been in Spain, Valencia ? Just asking. My brother is living there.
Just because Valencia is by the sea doesn't mean we should assume it's systematically a risk area. With this reasoning, we should evacuate all the people in this world who live by the sea or near rivers, streams...
I've been to Andalusia and Barcelona but not Valencia.
I think you misunderstood me. An early warning system, like what we have in some places in the US, would probably have been enough for this area of Spain. In the US the Feds usually give very accurate flood warnings, but the local authorities don't always enforce them well. Not sure where Spain is lacking, probably both areas.
So tomorrow is the big day for you guys. I shall be watching the election results (got to admit it seems a bit of a crazy way you get results). Still can't see past a Trump win right now.
What happens after that, no idea at all!
Go peacefully overthrow a government!
(11-04-2024, 04:46 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]So tomorrow is the big day for you guys. I shall be watching the election results (got to admit it seems a bit of a crazy way you get results). Still can't see past a Trump win right now.
What happens after that, no idea at all!
Go peacefully overthrow a government!
How do the Brits get election results?
(11-04-2024, 08:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 04:46 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]So tomorrow is the big day for you guys. I shall be watching the election results (got to admit it seems a bit of a crazy way you get results). Still can't see past a Trump win right now.
What happens after that, no idea at all!
Go peacefully overthrow a government!
How do the Brits get election results?
Ours is a lot more old fashioned. Basically votes get taken to a counting building (usually a school hall or sports center) and hundreds of volunteers count individually for hours until a result is decided. The candidates all then step onto stage with a local council official who declares the result. It takes some time and probably wouldn't work with the amount of votes for a US election but it just feels a more transparent and boring way which doesn't cause any issue with people thinking things are corrupted.
The other big difference is you guys vote for the President. We vote for parties and whatever party gets the most votes, that leader is Prime Minister. That bit I don't like. You could have a good local MP but hate their leader, can't vote for one without the other.
(11-04-2024, 07:51 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting vote numbers, the missing "voters" kinda match up to the large amounts of vote dumps at 3AM
https://x.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1853507732986384654
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Early voting is down compared to 2020, which is exactly what you'd expect with the pandemic being over.
That's among both men and women, urban and rural. More Republicans voted early and fewer Democrats did, compared to 2020.
Big turnout or smaller turnout, by itself, isn't the predictor it used to be.
(11-04-2024, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 08:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]How do the Brits get election results?
Ours is a lot more old fashioned. Basically votes get taken to a counting building (usually a school hall or sports center) and hundreds of volunteers count individually for hours until a result is decided. The candidates all then step onto stage with a local council official who declares the result. It takes some time and probably wouldn't work with the amount of votes for a US election but it just feels a more transparent and boring way which doesn't cause any issue with people thinking things are corrupted.
The other big difference is you guys vote for the President. We vote for parties and whatever party gets the most votes, that leader is Prime Minister. That bit I don't like. You could have a good local MP but hate their leader, can't vote for one without the other.
Your parliament works basically the same as our house of representatives. People say they like their representative, but hate the leader that the representative ends up supporting.
(11-04-2024, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 08:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]How do the Brits get election results?
Ours is a lot more old fashioned. Basically votes get taken to a counting building (usually a school hall or sports center) and hundreds of volunteers count individually for hours until a result is decided. The candidates all then step onto stage with a local council official who declares the result. It takes some time and probably wouldn't work with the amount of votes for a US election but it just feels a more transparent and boring way which doesn't cause any issue with people thinking things are corrupted.
The other big difference is you guys vote for the President. We vote for parties and whatever party gets the most votes, that leader is Prime Minister. That bit I don't like. You could have a good local MP but hate their leader, can't vote for one without the other.
Paper ballots are still counted here in a similar way, but electronic voting is becoming more of the norm. With around 170 million registered voters across 6 time zones, we rely increasingly on technology to speed and organize the process. But as you say, it invites skepticism and distrust.
(11-04-2024, 09:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Ours is a lot more old fashioned. Basically votes get taken to a counting building (usually a school hall or sports center) and hundreds of volunteers count individually for hours until a result is decided. The candidates all then step onto stage with a local council official who declares the result. It takes some time and probably wouldn't work with the amount of votes for a US election but it just feels a more transparent and boring way which doesn't cause any issue with people thinking things are corrupted.
The other big difference is you guys vote for the President. We vote for parties and whatever party gets the most votes, that leader is Prime Minister. That bit I don't like. You could have a good local MP but hate their leader, can't vote for one without the other.
Paper ballots are still counted here in a similar way, but electronic voting is becoming more of the norm. With around 170 million registered voters across 6 time zones, we rely increasingly on technology to speed and organize the process. But as you say, it invites skepticism and distrust.
There's been conversations for years about modernising our voting system and other ways of deciding results but usually the party in power want the system they think best benefits themselves so nothing really changes. We have about 30 million votes. That's peanuts compared to your numbers and people want results pretty quickly so I get why the US has the system it has. I was quite surprised by how many people have done the early voting for the US election but I like the flexibility and you hear so many bad stories of queues on election day so again it makes sense.
I don't see how we don't have voter id that is combined with phone verification when you vote.
(11-04-2024, 09:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 07:51 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting vote numbers, the missing "voters" kinda match up to the large amounts of vote dumps at 3AM
https://x.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1853507732986384654
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Early voting is down compared to 2020, which is exactly what you'd expect with the pandemic being over.
That's among both men and women, urban and rural. More Republicans voted early and fewer Democrats did, compared to 2020.
Big turnout or smaller turnout, by itself, isn't the predictor it used to be.
(11-04-2024, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Ours is a lot more old fashioned. Basically votes get taken to a counting building (usually a school hall or sports center) and hundreds of volunteers count individually for hours until a result is decided. The candidates all then step onto stage with a local council official who declares the result. It takes some time and probably wouldn't work with the amount of votes for a US election but it just feels a more transparent and boring way which doesn't cause any issue with people thinking things are corrupted.
The other big difference is you guys vote for the President. We vote for parties and whatever party gets the most votes, that leader is Prime Minister. That bit I don't like. You could have a good local MP but hate their leader, can't vote for one without the other.
Your parliament works basically the same as our house of representatives. People say they like their representative, but hate the leader that the representative ends up supporting.
That becomes the sad thing at times. Really good local MP's get voted out as people hate the person at the top.
I do like the fact we have so many different parties means different opinions get a voice but sadly the last few elections, the winning part has such a big majority that they can just do what they want.
(11-04-2024, 09:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Ours is a lot more old fashioned. Basically votes get taken to a counting building (usually a school hall or sports center) and hundreds of volunteers count individually for hours until a result is decided. The candidates all then step onto stage with a local council official who declares the result. It takes some time and probably wouldn't work with the amount of votes for a US election but it just feels a more transparent and boring way which doesn't cause any issue with people thinking things are corrupted.
The other big difference is you guys vote for the President. We vote for parties and whatever party gets the most votes, that leader is Prime Minister. That bit I don't like. You could have a good local MP but hate their leader, can't vote for one without the other.
Paper ballots are still counted here in a similar way, but electronic voting is becoming more of the norm. With around 170 million registered voters across 6 time zones, we rely increasingly on technology to speed and organize the process. But as you say, it invites skepticism and distrust.
The voter roll is electronic.
A machine typically counts the votes.
But the ballot is almost always paper.
If there's any mistrust about the machine count, a hand count is almost always possible in the US.
(11-04-2024, 09:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2024, 07:51 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting vote numbers, the missing "voters" kinda match up to the large amounts of vote dumps at 3AM
https://x.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1853507732986384654
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Early voting is down compared to 2020, which is exactly what you'd expect with the pandemic being over.
That's among both men and women, urban and rural. More Republicans voted early and fewer Democrats did, compared to 2020.
Big turnout or smaller turnout, by itself, isn't the predictor it used to be.
(11-04-2024, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Ours is a lot more old fashioned. Basically votes get taken to a counting building (usually a school hall or sports center) and hundreds of volunteers count individually for hours until a result is decided. The candidates all then step onto stage with a local council official who declares the result. It takes some time and probably wouldn't work with the amount of votes for a US election but it just feels a more transparent and boring way which doesn't cause any issue with people thinking things are corrupted.
The other big difference is you guys vote for the President. We vote for parties and whatever party gets the most votes, that leader is Prime Minister. That bit I don't like. You could have a good local MP but hate their leader, can't vote for one without the other.
Your parliament works basically the same as our house of representatives. People say they like their representative, but hate the leader that the representative ends up supporting.
Not in NC. We broke records if I heard the news report correctly.