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(10-03-2024, 11:14 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You're probably right. The American taxpayer is paying about 1200 bucks per year for every illegal entering this country. I'm sure there is more than enough welfare and other benefits being provided that drive that figure up, but probably not to the tune of 9k. I'm happy to be shown to be incorrect, but, really, who gives a [BLEEP]. It doesn't change the point, now, does it?

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Huh... would you look at that. A study done in 2023 showed that for every illegal and their child, it's costing the US $8,776 annually. 150 billion dollars a year after we deduct what illegals are paying in taxes. You are correct. That figure was off by $225 bucks! We should go with your gut more often.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publication...IR%20finds

Their study is off.  Illegal immigrants do not collect TANF, public housing, and many other things, unless they have a child who was born here.
This country would have a shortage of kids if not for those kids, unfortunately.
Also I'm sure they didn't count the property taxes and business taxes that the immigrants pay in the form of rent and retail prices.

(10-04-2024, 07:30 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2024, 11:14 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You're probably right. The American taxpayer is paying about 1200 bucks per year for every illegal entering this country. I'm sure there is more than enough welfare and other benefits being provided that drive that figure up, but probably not to the tune of 9k. I'm happy to be shown to be incorrect, but, really, who gives a [BLEEP]. It doesn't change the point, now, does it?

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Huh... would you look at that. A study done in 2023 showed that for every illegal and their child, it's costing the US $8,776 annually. 150 billion dollars a year after we deduct what illegals are paying in taxes. You are correct. That figure was off by $225 bucks! We should go with your gut more often.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publication...IR%20finds

Their study is off.  Illegal immigrants do not collect TANF, public housing, and many other things, unless they have a child who was born here.
This country would have a shortage of kids if not for those kids, unfortunately.
Also I'm sure they didn't count the property taxes and business taxes that the immigrants pay in the form of rent and retail prices.

Illegal immigrants don't pay property taxes you dunce.

(10-04-2024, 08:00 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 07:30 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Their study is off.  Illegal immigrants do not collect TANF, public housing, and many other things, unless they have a child who was born here.
This country would have a shortage of kids if not for those kids, unfortunately.
Also I'm sure they didn't count the property taxes and business taxes that the immigrants pay in the form of rent and retail prices.

Illegal immigrants don't pay property taxes you dunce.

Anyone who owns property pays property taxes. Some of them do own property.  But most of them rent.  And rent pays for your landlord's property taxes, among other things.

(10-04-2024, 08:31 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 08:00 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Illegal immigrants don't pay property taxes you dunce.

Anyone who owns property pays property taxes. Some of them do own property.  But most of them rent.  And rent pays for your landlord's property taxes, among other things.

Which also means they pay income taxes and invest in retirement plans. 

#winning

(10-04-2024, 09:03 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 08:31 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who owns property pays property taxes. Some of them do own property.  But most of them rent.  And rent pays for your landlord's property taxes, among other things.

Which also means they pay income taxes and invest in retirement plans. 

#winning

That's one more step removed, but yes, it's all a circle.

(10-01-2024, 07:09 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be wise to stock up on food. Port workers officially on strike.

(10-01-2024, 07:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-01-2024, 01:04 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Israel under attack from Iran.

Likely a coordinated effort by the Biden admin to cancel the election.

One of these days you'll get one right. Keep trying!

No he won't

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(10-04-2024, 10:25 AM)Norman Mushari Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-01-2024, 07:09 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be wise to stock up on food. Port workers officially on strike.

(10-01-2024, 07:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]One of these days you'll get one right. Keep trying!

No he won't

Next he'll tell you about how his MAGA Martyr won't get sentenced to nearly a decade for lying about voter fraud.

You can always tell just how scared the Democrats are by how they show up in this forum out of nowhere to spam their wrong opinions.

(10-04-2024, 10:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You can always tell just how scared the Democrats are by how they show up in this forum out of nowhere to spam their wrong opinions.

I'm not a Democrat.  Where's the spam?  Where's the strike? 9 years for lying?  
As a non Democrat,  your statement is the only incorrect one

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(10-04-2024, 10:41 AM)Norman Mushari Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 10:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You can always tell just how scared the Democrats are by how they show up in this forum out of nowhere to spam their wrong opinions.

I'm not a Democrat.  Where's the spam?  Where's the strike? 9 years for lying?  
As a non Democrat,  your statement is the only incorrect one

And it's incorrect multiple times

(10-04-2024, 08:31 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 08:00 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Illegal immigrants don't pay property taxes you dunce.

Anyone who owns property pays property taxes. Some of them do own property.  But most of them rent.  And rent pays for your landlord's property taxes, among other things.

Anyone who enters our country illegally is committing a felony. This includes over staying a visa. The punishment is as follows.

First Punishment for Crossing Border Illegally
When a person is caught illegally crossing the border—lawfully known as an improper entry—the first offense may include:

    Civil penalty fine of $50 to $250
    Imprisonment for up to six months
    Both fines and imprisonment

Second Punishment for Crossing Border Illegally
If a person is found re-entering the United States illegally, the civil penalty fine is twice the amount of the first fine. The legal penalties of subsequent reentry include:

    A civil penalty fine
    Imprisonment for up to two years
    Both fines and imprisonment

Penalties for Improper Entry by Marriage Fraud
If a person gets married for the sole purpose of evading immigration laws—meaning they enter the U.S. based on marriage fraud—they may be:

    Imprisoned for up to five years
    Fined up to $250,000
    Both fined and imprisoned

Penalties for Improper Entry by Entrepreneurship Fraud

If a person fraudulently establishes a business to avoid immigration laws, they may be:
    Imprisoned for up to five years
    Required to pay civil penalty fines
    Both fined and imprisoned

Reentry With Additional Crimes

8 U.S. Code § 1326 outlines the legal consequences for people who have come to the United States under improper entry and who have committed other crimes. Punishment for illegal immigration along with committing other crimes may include the following:

    If deportation happened with a conviction of three or more misdemeanors, such as crimes involving drugs or other felonies, the consequences may be:
        Fines
        Up to 10 years in prison
        Both
    If the conviction was aggravated felony, the consequences may be:
        Fines
        Up to 20 years in prison
        Both

That's all folks, just enforce that law.

(10-04-2024, 09:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 09:03 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Which also means they pay income taxes and invest in retirement plans. 

#winning

That's one more step removed, but yes, it's all a circle.

I know! Don’t even get me started on how much child sex traffickers and drug mules have enriched public coffers and pension funds.

(10-04-2024, 11:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 09:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's one more step removed, but yes, it's all a circle.

I know! Don’t even get me started on how much child sex traffickers and drug mules have enriched public coffers and pension funds.

Yeah.. But you know those take a back seat to TDS.

Right, libs?

(10-04-2024, 11:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 09:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's one more step removed, but yes, it's all a circle.

I know! Don’t even get me started on how much child sex traffickers and drug mules have enriched public coffers and pension funds.

Those are great reasons to police the border better.  I agree!
But the fiscal stuff, the tax and spending stuff, is not a good reason.  All I'm saying.

Looking at the newest jobs numbers reported by this administration. It was much higher than expected for Nonfarm Payrolls at 254k gain. ADP reported only a 143k gain just 2 days ago. Look for these government numbers to be adjusted way down come February when that is normally done. The Fed agrees with me they just finished adjusting down 800k plus for the previous batch of months.

(10-04-2024, 11:16 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the newest jobs numbers reported by this administration. It was much higher than expected for Nonfarm Payrolls at 254k gain.  ADP reported only a 143k gain just 2 days ago. Look for these government numbers to be adjusted way down come February when that is normally done. The Fed agrees with me they just finished adjusting down  800k plus for the previous batch of months.

But is it the actual number? Or did they just flat out lie to the public again? Like they did last time..

Untrustworthy

(10-04-2024, 11:15 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 11:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I know! Don’t even get me started on how much child sex traffickers and drug mules have enriched public coffers and pension funds.

Those are great reasons to police the border better.  I agree!
But the fiscal stuff, the tax and spending stuff, is not a good reason.  All I'm saying.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Almost ever. 

I was prepared to make some concessions, but the data is clear we are spending a LOT of money on illegals. Your speculation doesn't disprove that in any way. AT BEST, you bring that figure down slightly. Who cares? We have problems at home we aren't addressing because global elites don't care about America. Period. That's who you support.

I guess certain people don't like that kind of exposure..

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/184223...Pytdg&s=19

(10-04-2024, 12:28 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-04-2024, 11:15 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Those are great reasons to police the border better.  I agree!
But the fiscal stuff, the tax and spending stuff, is not a good reason.  All I'm saying.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Almost ever. 

I was prepared to make some concessions, but the data is clear we are spending a LOT of money on illegals. Your speculation doesn't disprove that in any way. AT BEST, you bring that figure down slightly. Who cares? We have problems at home we aren't addressing because global elites don't care about America. Period. That's who you support.

Yes.  Money is being spent. Cracking down on illegal immigration requires even more money to be spent.  Which is fine.  
Here's another issue with the graphic: many of the people who were in the flood zone, also receive school lunch, Medicaid, subsidized housing, all of the above, and have received it for decades. The $750 is on top of all of that they were already receiving.  The government cares about them just as much as it cares about anyone else.

You are the perfect citizen for a totalitarian regime. Keep dancing.

Yikes.. Honey, not the Beav!!

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/184225...InX1g&s=19