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(09-26-2024, 04:28 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 04:23 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]This country The democrat party is so corrupt..

FTFY.

Agreed.. The whole Biden/Harris administration needs demolished, burnt, pissed on and buried like a horrible nightmare.
(09-26-2024, 04:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Arizona will allow 98,000 ineligible illegal alien voters to vote anyway
Michigan will not remove RFK from the ballot even after he dropped out
Georgia Supremes accepted Democrat challenges to the candidacies of Cornel West and Claudia De La Cruz, they will not be permitted on the ballot.

Interesting how the swing states keep up the lawfare on behalf of the democrats.

North Carolina forced to remove 750,000 voters from their roll only because Republicans sued them to force the action.

Hmm, now why wouldn't a state like North Carolina be willing to remove those voters without a court order to do so?

We all know.

Links to the bolded?
(09-26-2024, 05:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 04:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Arizona will allow 98,000 ineligible illegal alien voters to vote anyway
Michigan will not remove RFK from the ballot even after he dropped out
Georgia Supremes accepted Democrat challenges to the candidacies of Cornel West and Claudia De La Cruz, they will not be permitted on the ballot.

Interesting how the swing states keep up the lawfare on behalf of the democrats.

North Carolina forced to remove 750,000 voters from their roll only because Republicans sued them to force the action.

Hmm, now why wouldn't a state like North Carolina be willing to remove those voters without a court order to do so?

We all know.

Links to the bolded?

https://twitter.com/donnabob1974/status/...pVBvw&s=19

https://twitter.com/BehizyTweets/status/...DqnQA&s=19

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/183...Adwqw&s=19

Sounds to me like 2020 was stolen from Trump..
(09-26-2024, 05:32 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 05:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Links to the bolded?

https://x.com/donnabob1974/status/183731...pVBvw&s=19

https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/183937...DqnQA&s=19

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/183941330...Adwqw&s=19

Sounds to me like 2020 was stolen from Trump..

The questionable Arizona voters got registered 2004 or earlier.
Republicans were in charge in AZ at the time.
The NC situation, if there's proof that a dead person actually voted, that's criminal fraud.  Just having the name of a dead guy on the rolls is only evidence of a lazy clerk.
Glad it got fixed though.
(09-26-2024, 04:28 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 04:23 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]This country WE THE PEOPLE are so corrupt..

FTFY.

NOW ITS FIXED
(09-26-2024, 08:40 PM)Thewitnessofsolinvictus Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 04:28 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]FTFY.

NOW ITS FIXED

You're starting to get it...
We are not as corrupt as some but we are still corrupt.
(09-26-2024, 08:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 08:40 PM)Thewitnessofsolinvictus Wrote: [ -> ]NOW ITS FIXED

You're starting to get it...
We are not as corrupt as some but we are still corrupt.

I've got it for a while, but my ol party habits die hard. 

I'll put it like this: I'll take your offer a few posts back, or maybe it was in a different thread, and join you in prayer, I'll pray for the people if you'll pray for the country. I don't agree with a lot of your leanings, but I will not allow those differences to get in the way of meeting you at a common ground. Thank you for being willing to put politics aside to be a man, and a better man than me at that
Get a room you two.
(09-27-2024, 12:31 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]The little guy looks so sad.

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1...nrKNg&s=19

"It's very important that this war end before I get into office, because the US will not be sending any more taxpayer money to support the efforts of Ukraine after January of next year."
(09-27-2024, 02:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-27-2024, 12:31 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]The little guy looks so sad.

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1...nrKNg&s=19

"It's very important that this war end before I get into office, because the US will not be sending any more taxpayer money to support the efforts of Ukraine after January of next year."

Thank You!!!

Play nice and get along or get a [BLEEP] job, loser!!
JD Vance went out there and said he supports letting Russia keep the land they're occupying and making Ukraine promise to stay out of the EU and NATO.
That's everything Russia wants. The only concession he suggests for Russia is that a small sliver of the occupied territory becomes a DMZ.
For their part, Harris and Biden have always insisted that Ukraine must get all of its 2014 territory back, including Crimea, and be allowed to join the EU if they want. NATO isn't on the table because you can't have a NATO country leasing out its land for Russia's largest navy base. This is also a preposterous position.
Unless the Russian army has mass desertions or a revolution, Russia is going to be able to hold the territory they've gained. Ukraine trying to get it back is only going to prolong matters. The Biden-Harris goal is dangerous. So I agree more with Vance and Putin on that point. However, with Crimea gone, and with a defensible border established, Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO.
Russia's aggression must be punished and expanding NATO is the perfect punishment.
(09-27-2024, 02:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]JD Vance went out there and said he supports letting Russia keep the land they're occupying and making Ukraine promise to stay out of the EU and NATO. 
That's everything Russia wants.  The only concession he suggests for Russia is that a small sliver of the occupied territory becomes a DMZ.
For their part, Harris and Biden have always insisted that Ukraine must get all of its 2014 territory back, including Crimea, and be allowed to join the EU if they want.  NATO isn't on the table because you can't have a NATO country leasing out its land for Russia's largest navy base.  This is also a preposterous position.
Unless the Russian army has mass desertions or a revolution, Russia is going to be able to hold the territory they've gained. Ukraine trying to get it back is only going to prolong matters. The Biden-Harris goal is dangerous.  So I agree more with Vance and Putin on that point.  However, with Crimea gone, and with a defensible border established, Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO.
Russia's aggression must be punished and expanding NATO is the perfect punishment.

The whole reason Putin continues to push back though is because of NATO. Because of the continued western expansion into the eastern territories. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation to be in. 

I don't see him going for that. I think Russia should be made to give Ukraine Crimea back and they should have Ukraine join the EU. The concession from that point forward should be our gracious efforts in not kicking their teeth in to begin with and not pushing further NATO involvement for Ukraine. 

Russia's punishment will be received in due time. Once a regime comes along here and decides to [BLEEP] something up in Africa that they've been working on for a few years relationship wise and funding wise. Just like the pipeline incident that we had nothing to do with.
(09-26-2024, 04:37 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 04:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Arizona will allow 98,000 ineligible illegal alien voters to vote anyway
Michigan will not remove RFK from the ballot even after he dropped out
Georgia Supremes accepted Democrat challenges to the candidacies of Cornel West and Claudia De La Cruz, they will not be permitted on the ballot.

Interesting how the swing states keep up the lawfare on behalf of the democrats.

North Carolina forced to remove 750,000 voters from their roll only because Republicans sued them to force the action.

Hmm, now why wouldn't a state like North Carolina be willing to remove those voters without a court order to do so?

We all know.

It's because Agent Orange is a threat to our Democracy. 

C'mon man. We have been over this before. Cheating and bucking the system is completely cool and acceptable when something is a threat to our Democracy.

Politics is a dirty business, but there is a political party whose unspoken creed is that the ends justify the means.
(09-27-2024, 02:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-27-2024, 02:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]JD Vance went out there and said he supports letting Russia keep the land they're occupying and making Ukraine promise to stay out of the EU and NATO. 
That's everything Russia wants.  The only concession he suggests for Russia is that a small sliver of the occupied territory becomes a DMZ.
For their part, Harris and Biden have always insisted that Ukraine must get all of its 2014 territory back, including Crimea, and be allowed to join the EU if they want.  NATO isn't on the table because you can't have a NATO country leasing out its land for Russia's largest navy base.  This is also a preposterous position.
Unless the Russian army has mass desertions or a revolution, Russia is going to be able to hold the territory they've gained. Ukraine trying to get it back is only going to prolong matters. The Biden-Harris goal is dangerous.  So I agree more with Vance and Putin on that point.  However, with Crimea gone, and with a defensible border established, Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO.
Russia's aggression must be punished and expanding NATO is the perfect punishment.

The whole reason Putin continues to push back though is because of NATO. Because of the continued western expansion into the eastern territories. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation to be in. 

I don't see him going for that. I think Russia should be made to give Ukraine Crimea back and they should have Ukraine join the EU. The concession from that point forward should be our gracious efforts in not kicking their teeth in to begin with and not pushing further NATO involvement for Ukraine. 

Russia's punishment will be received in due time. Once a regime comes along here and decides to [BLEEP] something up in Africa that they've been working on for a few years relationship wise and funding wise. Just like the pipeline incident that we had nothing to do with.

I think before we leave this Earth, probably right after Putin dies, Kaliningrad will be independent of the rest of Russia. That's another punishment. 

With Sweden and Finland now in NATO, Kaliningrad becomes totally isolated from Russia the minute any conflict between NATO and Russia starts. It is no longer useful to them and they will abandon it eventually. 

This is why they are trying so hard to weaken NATO and get the US to reduce its level of commitment to NATO.  Putin believes he has a better chance of getting the US to leave NATO than he does getting NATO to leave Sweden and Finland.  We should be insulted that he thinks so little of us.
(09-27-2024, 03:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-27-2024, 02:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The whole reason Putin continues to push back though is because of NATO. Because of the continued western expansion into the eastern territories. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation to be in. 

I don't see him going for that. I think Russia should be made to give Ukraine Crimea back and they should have Ukraine join the EU. The concession from that point forward should be our gracious efforts in not kicking their teeth in to begin with and not pushing further NATO involvement for Ukraine. 

Russia's punishment will be received in due time. Once a regime comes along here and decides to [BLEEP] something up in Africa that they've been working on for a few years relationship wise and funding wise. Just like the pipeline incident that we had nothing to do with.

I think before we leave this Earth, probably right after Putin dies, Kaliningrad will be independent of the rest of Russia. That's another punishment. 

With Sweden and Finland now in NATO, Kaliningrad becomes totally isolated from Russia the minute any conflict between NATO and Russia starts. It is no longer useful to them and they will abandon it eventually. 

This is why they are trying so hard to weaken NATO and get the US to reduce its level of commitment to NATO.  Putin believes he has a better chance of getting the US to leave NATO than he does getting NATO to leave Sweden and Finland.  We should be insulted that he thinks so little of us.

I don't think he thinks little of the US at all. If he did, he would have already pummeled Ukraine and been finished with it. There's a distinct degree of respect amongst both nations. Whether we like each other or not, we both have had our hands in a fair amount of dirty work politically, militarily and historically. 

I think he's being genuine when he says he doesn't want anymore NATO encroachment or military bandwidth being expanded from the west into territories near the east. It's not because he thinks little of the US. It's because he fears us and he knows better. 

The media tries to fear monger the west a lot with this "poking of the Bear" narrative. From the majority of the speeches I have seen him give at national meetings and his own meetings in Russia, mostly through RT and other platforms, he's more diplomatic and less devilish than people try to paint him out to be.

(09-27-2024, 03:13 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-26-2024, 04:37 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's because Agent Orange is a threat to our Democracy. 

C'mon man. We have been over this before. Cheating and bucking the system is completely cool and acceptable when something is a threat to our Democracy.

Politics is a dirty business, but there is a political party whose unspoken creed is that the ends justify the means.

Absolutely. A literal Assassin's Creed with that party. Physically and rhetorically. The people will grow tired of it soon enough. Trump's a direct symptom of people being fed up with the RINO's on the right and the recent Warhawk's on the left. A Great Reformation Party is overdue in our country. I hope I live long enough to see it. The "Great Shake Up".
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(09-27-2024, 03:32 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-27-2024, 03:13 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Politics is a dirty business, but there is a political party whose unspoken creed is that the ends justify the means.

Absolutely. A literal Assassin's Creed with that party. Physically and rhetorically. The people will grow tired of it soon enough. Trump's a direct symptom of people being fed up with the RINO's on the right and the recent Warhawk's on the left. A Great Reformation Party is overdue in our country. I hope I live long enough to see it. The "Great Shake Up".

That's part of the problem with uncontrolled immigration or just mass migration in general.  If you don't control the stream and vet those coming in, you put the home culture and values at significant risk.  Proper immigration policy should be to have a manageable stream of quality immigrants (producers with no criminal background) become citizens and assimilate to the new home culture/country.  That doesn't mean shedding all your previous country's customs necessarily.  We are a melting pot after all, but if you don't share the values of the bill of rights and our constitution at a bare minimum and a desire to hold your new home country above your prior one, you have no business becoming a citizen here and it begs the question why are you even coming here?  I'm not suggesting that you can know what's in someone's heart and mind that's attempting to immigrate here, but that's just another reason in the long list of reasons why the stream has to be countable and controlled.  Even immigrants that don't fall into that bare minimum requirement argument I've made will have a hard time keeping their kids and their kids' kids that are born and raised here from eventually meeting that requirement.  

That dynamic changes with the hyperbolic example of allowing 350 million Chinese communists for example to immigrate here in a short period of time.  The country we know would cease to exist.  This example is made purely to show that there are clearly ways to destroy a country/culture through its lax immigration policies.  It would take a lot less than 350 million of an ethnic, political or ethnopolitical group to fundamentally change the direction of our country and change the culture and beliefs.  It's a lot easier for foreign nationals to keep their kids and their kids' kids from meeting my requirement when theirs is made a significant enough or even the dominant culture here in short order. No need for immigrants to assimilate in that scenario.  It would be the natural born citizens having to do the assimilating.  

Fundamental change of the country is part of the Democratic platform as has been espoused.  It's no wonder they have no interest in securing the border or securing our elections.  I fear the damage done may already be significant enough to prevent what you hope for.  We essentially have the left hand trying to affix a noose around the neck of its own body with the right hand trying to stop it from succeeding.
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