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(Yesterday, 08:51 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Yesterday, 06:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What if I say yes to one or both but you suspect I'm lying?

I believe you are missing his point. The individuals answers are inconsequential. The US has a screening process which is law.  Illegals bypassed this and under Biden they failed to do this. It is a felony to bypass this. Those that do bypass this are to be returned to their home country and allowed in after this has been done. Summary below.

The US immigration screening process involves several stages to determine an individual's eligibility for entry, including medical examinations, background checks, and interviews. These checks aim to ensure the applicant meets legal requirements and doesn't pose a threat to national security or public health.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Medical Examinations:

• Purpose:
  To screen for medical conditions that may be grounds for inadmissibility under U.S. immigration law. 
  

[*]Content:
May include medical history review, physical examination, chest X-ray, and blood tests for syphilis. 
[*]Focus:
Primarily focuses on conditions specified by the U.S. Public Health Service. 
[*]Note:
The medical exam is not a complete physical examination and does not provide diagnosis or treatment for conditions outside the scope of immigration screening.
2. Background and Security Checks:

• Purpose:
  To verify an applicant's identity, check for criminal history, and assess any potential national security risks. 
  

[*]Checks:
May include fingerprint checks with the FBI, name checks with the FBI, and inter-agency checks. 
[*]Duration:
Processing times can vary, with FBI fingerprint checks potentially taking 24-48 hours, while FBI name checks can take 30-120 days. 
[*]Biometric checks:
These may include checks against criminal history and previous immigration data.
3. Interviews:

• Purpose:
  To evaluate the applicant's credibility and assess whether their claims are consistent with their case file and country conditions.
  
• Process:
  Conducted by USCIS officers, who may also collect fingerprints and photographs.
  
• Re-interviews:
  May be conducted if new information or fingerprint results raise questions. 
  

4. Final Processing and Decision:

• Conditional Approval:
  Once all security checks and medical screenings are cleared, a refugee's application may be conditionally approved.
  
• Final Approval:
  The conditional approval becomes final after all checks are cleared, and the applicant is approved for resettlement.
  
• Cultural Orientation:
  Refugees may be offered cultural orientation to prepare them for resettlement in the U.S. 
  
  
  

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He's conflating random "your paper please" detainments with "We're looking for Yuri Illegalvitch because hes next on our list and oh, look, you're him" detainments. it's on purpose that he does that because he gets a thrill from the argument regardless of the outcome.

(Yesterday, 10:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(Yesterday, 08:51 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I believe you are missing his point. The individuals answers are inconsequential. The US has a screening process which is law.  Illegals bypassed this and under Biden they failed to do this. It is a felony to bypass this. Those that do bypass this are to be returned to their home country and allowed in after this has been done. Summary below.

The US immigration screening process involves several stages to determine an individual's eligibility for entry, including medical examinations, background checks, and interviews. These checks aim to ensure the applicant meets legal requirements and doesn't pose a threat to national security or public health.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Medical Examinations:

• Purpose:
  To screen for medical conditions that may be grounds for inadmissibility under U.S. immigration law. 
  

[*]Content:
May include medical history review, physical examination, chest X-ray, and blood tests for syphilis. 
[*]Focus:
Primarily focuses on conditions specified by the U.S. Public Health Service. 
[*]Note:
The medical exam is not a complete physical examination and does not provide diagnosis or treatment for conditions outside the scope of immigration screening.
2. Background and Security Checks:

• Purpose:
  To verify an applicant's identity, check for criminal history, and assess any potential national security risks. 
  

[*]Checks:
May include fingerprint checks with the FBI, name checks with the FBI, and inter-agency checks. 
[*]Duration:
Processing times can vary, with FBI fingerprint checks potentially taking 24-48 hours, while FBI name checks can take 30-120 days. 
[*]Biometric checks:
These may include checks against criminal history and previous immigration data.
3. Interviews:

• Purpose:
  To evaluate the applicant's credibility and assess whether their claims are consistent with their case file and country conditions.
  
• Process:
  Conducted by USCIS officers, who may also collect fingerprints and photographs.
  
• Re-interviews:
  May be conducted if new information or fingerprint results raise questions. 
  

4. Final Processing and Decision:

• Conditional Approval:
  Once all security checks and medical screenings are cleared, a refugee's application may be conditionally approved.
  
• Final Approval:
  The conditional approval becomes final after all checks are cleared, and the applicant is approved for resettlement.
  
• Cultural Orientation:
  Refugees may be offered cultural orientation to prepare them for resettlement in the U.S. 
  
  
  

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He's conflating random "your paper please" detainments with "We're looking for Yuri Illegalvitch because hes next on our list and oh, look, you're him" detainments. it's on purpose that he does that because he gets a thrill from the argument regardless of the outcome.

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No, you're both missing my point.
What if I don't have any ID on me? What if the government thinks the ID I offer them is fake? What if I passed all the screenings initially, but now they suspect that I lied to them about some part of it? None of this stuff is as simple as it sounds.

(Yesterday, 02:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(Yesterday, 10:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ][*]
He's conflating random "your paper please" detainments with "We're looking for Yuri Illegalvitch because hes next on our list and oh, look, you're him" detainments. it's on purpose that he does that because he gets a thrill from the argument regardless of the outcome.

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No, you're both missing my point.
What if I don't have any ID on me? What if the government thinks the ID I offer them is fake? What if I passed all the screenings initially, but now they suspect that I lied to them about some part of it? None of this stuff is as simple as it sounds.

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Sure it is for people that investigate for a living. Of all the people detained I can only think of one or two that were not illegally here. This was corrected pretty fast too. Your doing your best to make something easy sound difficult. Nice try, but you cannot even believe the poop your spouting now.

PS. Also this was not the topic....it shifted. The illegal "Maryland man" is quite a poor choice of a hill to die on.

(11 hours ago)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Yesterday, 02:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ][*]
No, you're both missing my point.
What if I don't have any ID on me? What if the government thinks the ID I offer them is fake? What if I passed all the screenings initially, but now they suspect that I lied to them about some part of it? None of this stuff is as simple as it sounds.

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Sure it is for people that investigate for a living. Of all the people detained I can only think of one or two that were not illegally here. This was corrected pretty fast too. Your doing your best to make something easy sound difficult. Nice try, but you cannot even believe the poop your spouting now.

PS. Also this was not the topic....it shifted. The illegal "Maryland man" is quite a poor choice of a hill to die on.

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That's how it works.  
If you don't insist a justice system that lets even the least sympathetic people have real trials before you imprison them, soon you will have a justice system that will imprison even the most sympathetic people.
It doesnt matter how much sympathy you or I might feel for him.  Either everyone gets due process, or, eventually, no one will get it.

(10 hours ago)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11 hours ago)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ][*]
Sure it is for people that investigate for a living. Of all the people detained I can only think of one or two that were not illegally here. This was corrected pretty fast too. Your doing your best to make something easy sound difficult. Nice try, but you cannot even believe the poop your spouting now.

PS. Also this was not the topic....it shifted. The illegal "Maryland man" is quite a poor choice of a hill to die on.

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That's how it works.  
If you don't insist a justice system that lets even the least sympathetic people have real trials before you imprison them, soon you will have a justice system that will imprison even the most sympathetic people.
It doesnt matter how much sympathy you or I might feel for him.  Either everyone gets due process, or, eventually, no one will get it.

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Ok so let me get this straight. We went from the Maryland man, to what happens if someone lies to immigration about being a citizen. Now back to having compassion for an illegal that has:
been in front of immigration 2x and denied asylum,
MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles (and other gang tattoos)
Had 2 domestic abuse issues (new video released showing wife begging for protection you should see it)
Caught driving without a license transporting 6-8men north in his boss's car.
His boss is a convicted human trafficker.
Had other MS-13 members say he is in their gang and a higher up at that.

Yea the goal posts are on casters...

This is the hill you want to die on? I call that weak sauce...he is not a US citizen. He does not have the rights of a citizen. He is a guest here and has broken the law a few times. He has been returned to his home country and they have done what they believe protects their people. I didn't imprison him hie home country did. They could have just as easily released him into their population...dude, get real. Are you being obtuse for a reason or just trolling?

(9 hours ago)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10 hours ago)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ][*]
That's how it works.  
If you don't insist a justice system that lets even the least sympathetic people have real trials before you imprison them, soon you will have a justice system that will imprison even the most sympathetic people.
It doesnt matter how much sympathy you or I might feel for him.  Either everyone gets due process, or, eventually, no one will get it.

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Ok so let me get this straight. We went from the Maryland man, to what happens if someone lies to immigration about being a citizen. Now back to having compassion for an illegal that has:
been in front of immigration 2x and denied asylum,
MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles (and other gang tattoos)
Had 2 domestic abuse issues (new video released showing wife begging for protection you should see it)
Caught driving without a license transporting 6-8men north in his boss's car.
His boss is a convicted human trafficker.
Had other MS-13 members say he is in their gang and a higher up at that.
Got a Withhold order from a sympathetic judge because of the likelihood that he'll be killed by the other El Salvadoran gang, Barrio-18, if he goes back home.

Yea the goal posts are on casters...

This is the hill you want to die on? I call that weak sauce...he is not a US citizen. He does not have the rights of a citizen. He is a guest here and has broken the law a few times. He has been returned to his home country and they have done what they believe protects their people. I didn't imprison him hie home country did. They could have just as easily released him into their population...dude, get real. Are you being obtuse for a reason or just trolling?

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Added...

“Justice for the wife beating human trafficker? No. It’s all about me.”

mikesez, when it comes to the truth about who's being deported, and the way you keep moving the goal post...... well, below is a simple statement of fact.....