(08-23-2022, 08:10 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Look! Charlie Crist! He's a Democrat! He's a Republican! He's a Democrat! He's a turnip! Who could possibly believe that this guy really stands for anything other than his own free-loading-off-the-taxpayers career? I'm glad to see he took out Nikki (i'm) Fried. But he's going to get demolished in November.
Literally the only reason to vote Crist at this point is if you hate or are scared of DeSantis.
And I don't think enough people feel that way.
I can only imagine one path to victory for Crist, because DeSantis has stolen key issues from Democrats by increasing teacher salaries and everglades funding. Also DeSantis is slow-rolling his opposition to abortion so you're not likely to see the pro-choice backlash like we saw in Kansas. The Governor is really, really shrewd to have positioned himself this well on state issues.
The only thing Democrats might have left is rent. If they can find a way to convince voters that Republicans don't care about rent prices while Democrats have a credible plan to stabilize rent, that could be trouble for Republicans.
Crist might be smart enough to do that. But that's not the type of campaign that he's run up to this point.
That's the campaign Alan Grayson ran. And he lost.
Instead, Crist is more likely to take all the bait that DeSantis has left out there with his national-level trolling on issues of race and gender. If Crist tries to be the "I'm going to stand up for trans kids" candidate or the "I believe in systemic racism" candidate he will go down in flames with much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
(08-23-2022, 08:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2022, 08:10 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Look! Charlie Crist! He's a Democrat! He's a Republican! He's a Democrat! He's a turnip! Who could possibly believe that this guy really stands for anything other than his own free-loading-off-the-taxpayers career? I'm glad to see he took out Nikki (i'm) Fried. But he's going to get demolished in November.
Literally the only reason to vote Crist at this point is if you hate or are scared of DeSantis.
And I don't think enough people feel that way.
I can only imagine one path to victory for Crist, because DeSantis has stolen key issues from Democrats by increasing teacher salaries and everglades funding. Also DeSantis is slow-rolling his opposition to abortion so you're not likely to see the pro-choice backlash like we saw in Kansas. The Governor is really, really shrewd to have positioned himself this well on state issues.
The only thing Democrats might have left is rent. If they can find a way to convince voters that Republicans don't care about rent prices while Democrats have a credible plan to stabilize rent, that could be trouble for Republicans.
Crist might be smart enough to do that. But that's not the type of campaign that he's run up to this point.
That's the campaign Alan Grayson ran. And he lost.
Instead, Crist is more likely to take all the bait that DeSantis has left out there with his national-level trolling on issues of race and gender. If Crist tries to be the "I'm going to stand up for trans kids" candidate or the "I believe in systemic racism" candidate he will go down in flames with much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
My main point with this guy is that he is the extreme version of standing for nothing more than what is politically expedient at the time. If Floridians were pro-beastiality, he'd be doing adverts with sheep and German Shepherds. He's proven that over and over and over again during his career.
(08-23-2022, 08:40 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2022, 08:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Literally the only reason to vote Crist at this point is if you hate or are scared of DeSantis.
And I don't think enough people feel that way.
I can only imagine one path to victory for Crist, because DeSantis has stolen key issues from Democrats by increasing teacher salaries and everglades funding. Also DeSantis is slow-rolling his opposition to abortion so you're not likely to see the pro-choice backlash like we saw in Kansas. The Governor is really, really shrewd to have positioned himself this well on state issues.
The only thing Democrats might have left is rent. If they can find a way to convince voters that Republicans don't care about rent prices while Democrats have a credible plan to stabilize rent, that could be trouble for Republicans.
Crist might be smart enough to do that. But that's not the type of campaign that he's run up to this point.
That's the campaign Alan Grayson ran. And he lost.
Instead, Crist is more likely to take all the bait that DeSantis has left out there with his national-level trolling on issues of race and gender. If Crist tries to be the "I'm going to stand up for trans kids" candidate or the "I believe in systemic racism" candidate he will go down in flames with much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
My main point with this guy is that he is the extreme version of standing for nothing more than what is politically expedient at the time. If Floridians were pro-beastiality, he'd be doing adverts with sheep and German Shepherds. He's proven that over and over and over again during his career.
Agreed. Charlie Crist is more an attitude than a policy stance. And the attitude has always been optimistic and Mr. Rogers-esque. That used to be right at home in the Republican party. And maybe in 10 years it will be again.
Even if the 2022 Florida voter was looking for that attitude in a governor (and I don't think they are) it would still be really really hard for any Democrat to knock off DeSantis. One of the cabinet positions might go to a Dem, as they have before, but not the governorship.
(08-23-2022, 09:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2022, 08:40 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]My main point with this guy is that he is the extreme version of standing for nothing more than what is politically expedient at the time. If Floridians were pro-beastiality, he'd be doing adverts with sheep and German Shepherds. He's proven that over and over and over again during his career.
Agreed. Charlie Crist is more an attitude than a policy stance. And the attitude has always been optimistic and Mr. Rogers-esque. That used to be right at home in the Republican party. And maybe in 10 years it will be again.
Even if the 2022 Florida voter was looking for that attitude in a governor (and I don't think they are) it would still be really really hard for any Democrat to knock off DeSantis. One of the cabinet positions might go to a Dem, as they have before, but not the governorship.
LOL, yes. 100% agree. In fact, I can see this guy doing Car Shield, Medicare Help Line or teeth-whitening adverts after he's done in politics.
(08-23-2022, 02:02 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2022, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Have ya’ll cast your votes in the Duuuuuval primary yet? Today is the day.
I don't live in Duval county, but I did cast my votes this morning. Wife is headed to the poll shortly. Interesting note... I live in Putnam county and am a registered Republican. The first ballot that they gave me was a democrat ballot. When I went to return it, the poll worker started looking through the ballots that she had (they were all in black folders) and she had to reach down towards the bottom of the pile to find my correct ballot. It was a very strange experience for me.
Mine was printed on the fly after woman finally figured out how to read and type my name from my license into the computer.
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(08-23-2022, 09:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Governor DeSantis's new "Top Gov" commercial. It's pretty cheesy.
Cheesy but fun. He may have been a JAG lawyer but that flight suit works.
Biden to announce plans for partial student debt relief. While it’s naked vote buying which appeals to the free lunch crowd, I have a hunch it will backfire. This will not sit well with those who upheld their obligations and paid off their loans, regardless of political beliefs.
(08-24-2022, 08:49 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Biden to announce plans for partial student debt relief. While it’s naked vote buying which appeals to the free lunch crowd, I have a hunch it will backfire. This will not sit well with those who upheld their obligations and paid off their loans, regardless of political beliefs.
It's too little to win his supporters and too much to assuage his detractors.
(08-24-2022, 08:49 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Biden to announce plans for partial student debt relief. While it’s naked vote buying which appeals to the free lunch crowd, I have a hunch it will backfire. This will not sit well with those who upheld their obligations and paid off their loans, regardless of political beliefs.
And probably 99.9% of those people he’s helping were voting D already.
Student loans are already extremely complicated. One person with student loans already feels like he got a very different deal than the next person, because he did. This partial forgiveness is going to apply to some borrowers but not others, and will further complicate the system, further frustrating all of the stakeholders.
Biden doesn't have much power to make any of this better, whether he forgives some loans or not. Congress should be acting. New loans should be made out of one single, easy to understand program. Schools that produce a lot of defaults or have low graduation rates should be punished with lower and lower availability of new loans. All new students should have income based repayment plans. Congress just doesn't want to do this work though. And I don't understand why everyone thinks it's OK for Congress to just hand the problem off to a Biden or a Trump or an Obama.
(08-24-2022, 11:08 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2022, 08:49 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Biden to announce plans for partial student debt relief. While it’s naked vote buying which appeals to the free lunch crowd, I have a hunch it will backfire. This will not sit well with those who upheld their obligations and paid off their loans, regardless of political beliefs.
And probably 99.9% of those people he’s helping were voting D already.
Because people who vote R don’t tend to get degrees in Philosophy and ethnic studies.
(08-24-2022, 11:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2022, 11:08 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]And probably 99.9% of those people he’s helping were voting D already.
Because people who vote R don’t tend to get degrees in Philosophy and ethnic studies.
And gender studies, don’t forget the gender studies!
(08-24-2022, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Student loans are already extremely complicated. One person with student loans already feels like he got a very different deal than the next person, because he did. This partial forgiveness is going to apply to some borrowers but not others, and will further complicate the system, further frustrating all of the stakeholders.
Biden doesn't have much power to make any of this better, whether he forgives some loans or not. Congress should be acting. New loans should be made out of one single, easy to understand program. Schools that produce a lot of defaults or have low graduation rates should be punished with lower and lower availability of new loans. All new students should have income based repayment plans. Congress just doesn't want to do this work though. And I don't understand why everyone thinks it's OK for Congress to just hand the problem off to a Biden or a Trump or an Obama.
How about a substantial rebate for the 5 student loans I paid back in full? No, instead, I get to foot more bills from a bunch of government-enabled freeloaders.
(08-24-2022, 11:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2022, 11:08 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]And probably 99.9% of those people he’s helping were voting D already.
Because people who vote R don’t tend to get degrees in Philosophy and ethnic studies.
that is so true and is often overlooked in all this. Again, Republicans footing the bills for Democrats who can't pick a profitable career, or don't want to cause it's too 'capitalistic'.
(08-24-2022, 11:51 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2022, 11:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Because people who vote R don’t tend to get degrees in Philosophy and ethnic studies.
And gender studies, don’t forget the gender studies!
In my day, the lazy degree was 'Underwater Basket weaving'. Never could figure out the underwater part.
(08-24-2022, 11:57 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2022, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Student loans are already extremely complicated. One person with student loans already feels like he got a very different deal than the next person, because he did. This partial forgiveness is going to apply to some borrowers but not others, and will further complicate the system, further frustrating all of the stakeholders.
Biden doesn't have much power to make any of this better, whether he forgives some loans or not. Congress should be acting. New loans should be made out of one single, easy to understand program. Schools that produce a lot of defaults or have low graduation rates should be punished with lower and lower availability of new loans. All new students should have income based repayment plans. Congress just doesn't want to do this work though. And I don't understand why everyone thinks it's OK for Congress to just hand the problem off to a Biden or a Trump or an Obama.
How about a substantial rebate for the 5 student loans I paid back in full? No, instead, I get to foot more bills from a bunch of government-enabled freeloaders.
(08-24-2022, 11:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Because people who vote R don’t tend to get degrees in Philosophy and ethnic studies.
that is so true and is often overlooked in all this. Again, Republicans footing the bills for Democrats who can't pick a profitable career, or don't want to cause it's too 'capitalistic'.
(08-24-2022, 11:51 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]And gender studies, don’t forget the gender studies!
In my day, the lazy degree was 'Underwater Basket weaving'. Never could figure out the underwater part.
That was already filled with football players!
Why eliminate?!? Let them repay their loans if they took one.. If you really want to help them, lower the interest rate or eliminate that instead.
All he's doing is giving them a fish instead of teaching how to fish.
(08-24-2022, 11:57 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2022, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Student loans are already extremely complicated. One person with student loans already feels like he got a very different deal than the next person, because he did. This partial forgiveness is going to apply to some borrowers but not others, and will further complicate the system, further frustrating all of the stakeholders.
Biden doesn't have much power to make any of this better, whether he forgives some loans or not. Congress should be acting. New loans should be made out of one single, easy to understand program. Schools that produce a lot of defaults or have low graduation rates should be punished with lower and lower availability of new loans. All new students should have income based repayment plans. Congress just doesn't want to do this work though. And I don't understand why everyone thinks it's OK for Congress to just hand the problem off to a Biden or a Trump or an Obama.
How about a substantial rebate for the 5 student loans I paid back in full? No, instead, I get to foot more bills from a bunch of government-enabled freeloaders.
If they're going to randomly forgive some loans that originated years ago, yeah, a lot of people like you would deserve a rebate too.
That's why I think we shouldn't be forgiving these existing loans. Restructuring, maybe. Bring them all under one set of terms, maybe. Forgiving, no.
But maybe neither of us is thinking of this the right way. There was a story that an old religious leader told about guys who worked in the fields all day getting paid the same amount as people who only worked the last hour of the day. They were mad! But the religious leader insisted that they shouldn't be mad because everyone got at least what they had agreed to, even if some seemingly got extra. Conservatives love that story when it's time to discuss minimum wages and labor unions. But they don't like that story when it's time to discuss student loans and affirmative action.
All that said, the lawmakers need to be focusing on the next generation of students.
Once again, Democrats "fix" the problem they created. Lol. When are you people going to learn?
(08-24-2022, 01:26 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-24-2022, 11:57 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]How about a substantial rebate for the 5 student loans I paid back in full? No, instead, I get to foot more bills from a bunch of government-enabled freeloaders.
If they're going to randomly forgive some loans that originated years ago, yeah, a lot of people like you would deserve a rebate too.
That's why I think we shouldn't be forgiving these existing loans. Restructuring, maybe. Bring them all under one set of terms, maybe. Forgiving, no.
But maybe neither of us is thinking of this the right way. There was a story that an old religious leader told about guys who worked in the fields all day getting paid the same amount as people who only worked the last hour of the day. They were mad! But the religious leader insisted that they shouldn't be mad because everyone got at least what they had agreed to, even if some seemingly got extra. Conservatives love that story when it's time to discuss minimum wages and labor unions. But they don't like that story when it's time to discuss student loans and affirmative action.
All that said, the lawmakers need to be focusing on the next generation of students.
You get a +1 for referencing the parable of the 'old religious leader'. I know that parable well. But it dealt with the wages agreed upon for work, not a loan. That same book containing the religious leader said a lot about loans, but it was mostly about exacting unjust interest. So that might be the most righteous solution.
That's a misapplied parable. It's about taking what you agree to take. Those people signed up for loans. I'm sorry that Democrats have created a university system that is a bad return on investment. I'm sorry they have destroyed the value of a degree. I'm sorry they have made loans too easy to get. I'm sorry administrators have dumbed down the curriculum to exploit people who shouldn't be going to college. Every single one of those issues were created by bleeding heart liberals, and now they want to use the taxpayer dollar to help people who have made bad choices. On top of that, they aren't going to solve the problem with this move. The ONLY reason this is being done is because Democrats see the effectiveness of their indoctrination. College "educated" individuals are their most reliable voting base. Same with illegal immigration. Let's just keep giving these folks power.