(08-30-2024, 07:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 07:02 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said a nothing burger. Well, unless you want the whole thing to go away,,,,
The video that was released was a campaign video and Trump's people took the video.
Still a nothing burger. Unless you are a Trump hater or die hard proponent of forgetting these 13 servicemen were abandoned to die by the current administration.
ps. Ever think since Trump's people said they had not released the video it was from someone else? or you just assuming again? Ifnot show me where it is theirs/
(08-30-2024, 07:18 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 07:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The video that was released was a campaign video and Trump's people took the video.
Still a nothing burger. Unless you are a Trump hater or die hard proponent of forgetting these 13 servicemen were abandoned to die by the current administration.
It's definitely not the worst thing he's done.
I'm upset that Biden said no one died in Afghanistan.
But I'm also upset that Trump responded by recruiting some of the family members to be political props at his convention and rallies.
Whatever sacrifice any member of the military makes, is made for all Americans. Both parties, no party, etc.
I also get upset when people say Biden got those 13 troops killed. A suicide bomber killed them. Not Biden.
(08-30-2024, 07:18 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 07:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The video that was released was a campaign video and Trump's people took the video.
Still a nothing burger. Unless you are a Trump hater or die hard proponent of forgetting these 13 servicemen were abandoned to die by the current administration.
ps. Ever think since Trump's people said they had not released the video it was from someone else? or you just assuming again? Ifnot show me where it is theirs/
The video was on Trump's social media account. None of the family members nor any other person with Trump's campaign were authorized to take video. Only cemetery staff. And I guarantee none of that video of smiley faces hugging came from cemetery staff.
(08-30-2024, 07:26 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 07:18 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Still a nothing burger. Unless you are a Trump hater or die hard proponent of forgetting these 13 servicemen were abandoned to die by the current administration.
It's definitely not the worst thing he's done.
I'm upset that Biden said no one died in Afghanistan.
But I'm also upset that Trump responded by recruiting some of the family members to be political props at his convention and rallies.
Whatever sacrifice any member of the military makes, is made for all Americans. Both parties, no party, etc.
I also get upset when people say Biden got those 13 troops killed. A suicide bomber killed them. Not Biden.
(08-30-2024, 07:18 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Still a nothing burger. Unless you are a Trump hater or die hard proponent of forgetting these 13 servicemen were abandoned to die by the current administration.
ps. Ever think since Trump's people said they had not released the video it was from someone else? or you just assuming again? Ifnot show me where it is theirs/
The video was on Trump's social media account. None of the family members nor any other person with Trump's campaign were authorized to take video. Only cemetery staff. And I guarantee none of that video of smiley faces hugging came from cemetery staff.
You know hate like you have is bad for your health. I am concerned bro.
(08-30-2024, 05:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 01:19 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]As usual you pull some ignorant bull [BLEEP] out of your [BLEEP]. Arlington National Cemetery is not "military property" it is a public national monument. It is public just like any other national cemetery.
President Trump was invited to attend the ceremony honoring the 13 service members I assume because many of the family members know that he really cares about the military. President Biden and commie-la were not invited because it's their fault that those soldiers are laid to rest there.
It is open to the public but the military will remove you if you fail to behave correctly.
And apparently Kamala was invited to at least part of the ceremony, but she declined to attend (another post here said this). So you're wrong about that.
I think I share all of your concerns about all of this. The idea of the military being politically divided, and gold star families feeling a need to insert themselves into political debates, and denigrate the character of either a current or former President, is extremely dangerous. The idea that our two candidates for President can't jointly attend a somber ceremony like this, is very concerning.
We are getting way too divided and too personal in how we oppose political candidates. Respect for the office seems to be a thing of the past.
(08-30-2024, 03:43 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]If the families are fine with either scenario and everyone is respectful, who cares? But anyone who gets out of line and goes full [BLEEP] should be immediately removed from the service and charged with disturbing the peace or whatever would be a suitable charge. And I mean anyone.
I think I agree.
The rules they agreed to were more than just "don't be a full [BLEEP]" though.
They were not supposed to film anything. Only ANC staff was allowed to film.
It was right to ask them to leave for breaking the rules that they had already agreed to.
And here you go again inserting yourself into the mindset of military members and their families. Mike, I cannot stress this enough, until you have offered your life to preserve this nation you will never understand our mindset. We will give those of us that we feel have sacrificed or are deserving a free pass as long as they are deserving. You continue to apply absolute analytical analysis that fit your world view to a brother/sisterhood you are incapable of understanding. Trump has earned a right of passage that Biden nor Harris have not.
(08-30-2024, 07:33 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 07:26 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It's definitely not the worst thing he's done.
I'm upset that Biden said no one died in Afghanistan.
But I'm also upset that Trump responded by recruiting some of the family members to be political props at his convention and rallies.
Whatever sacrifice any member of the military makes, is made for all Americans. Both parties, no party, etc.
I also get upset when people say Biden got those 13 troops killed. A suicide bomber killed them. Not Biden.
The video was on Trump's social media account. None of the family members nor any other person with Trump's campaign were authorized to take video. Only cemetery staff. And I guarantee none of that video of smiley faces hugging came from cemetery staff.
You know hate like you have is bad for your health. I am concerned bro.
It's not hate, it's concern.
I don't really blame Trump much for this because Biden shouldn't have forgotten their deaths occurred during his term.
But it's equally concerning that Trump is repeatedly using them as props and even using the cemetery as a whole as a prop.
I wouldn't be talking about it if you weren't telling lies about it though.
There were rules, and his people broke them, and he's proud to break them. That's your guy. You can at least admit he broke the rules.
(08-30-2024, 07:49 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 05:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It is open to the public but the military will remove you if you fail to behave correctly.
And apparently Kamala was invited to at least part of the ceremony, but she declined to attend (another post here said this). So you're wrong about that.
I think I share all of your concerns about all of this. The idea of the military being politically divided, and gold star families feeling a need to insert themselves into political debates, and denigrate the character of either a current or former President, is extremely dangerous. The idea that our two candidates for President can't jointly attend a somber ceremony like this, is very concerning.
We are getting way too divided and too personal in how we oppose political candidates. Respect for the office seems to be a thing of the past.
I think I agree.
The rules they agreed to were more than just "don't be a full [BLEEP]" though.
They were not supposed to film anything. Only ANC staff was allowed to film.
It was right to ask them to leave for breaking the rules that they had already agreed to.
And here you go again inserting yourself into the mindset of military members and their families. Mike, I cannot stress this enough, until you have offered your life to preserve this nation you will never understand our mindset. We will give those of us that we feel have sacrificed or are deserving a free pass as long as they are deserving. You continue to apply absolute analytical analysis that fit your world view to a brother/sisterhood you are incapable of understanding. Trump has earned a right of passage that Biden nor Harris have not.
Your opinion comes across as a joke to me.
You speak for the entire brotherhood of service members now?
Are you [BLEEP] me?
Is there a hidden camera? Is Ashton Kutcher about to pop out?
Even if Trump *had* served, even if everyone with him that day had served, even if they all really had earned a right into this very real brotherhood that you very fakely claim to speak for, there are still rules at Arlington National Cemetery, those rules apply to veterans and to civilians, and those rules were broken.
(08-30-2024, 07:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 07:33 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You know hate like you have is bad for your health. I am concerned bro.
It's not hate, it's concern.
I don't really blame Trump much for this because Biden shouldn't have forgotten their deaths occurred during his term.
But it's equally concerning that Trump is repeatedly using them as props and even using the cemetery as a whole as a prop.
I wouldn't be talking about it if you weren't telling lies about it though.
There were rules, and his people broke them, and he's proud to break them. That's your guy. You can at least admit he broke the rules.
(08-30-2024, 07:49 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]And here you go again inserting yourself into the mindset of military members and their families. Mike, I cannot stress this enough, until you have offered your life to preserve this nation you will never understand our mindset. We will give those of us that we feel have sacrificed or are deserving a free pass as long as they are deserving. You continue to apply absolute analytical analysis that fit your world view to a brother/sisterhood you are incapable of understanding. Trump has earned a right of passage that Biden nor Harris have not.
Your opinion comes across as a joke to me.
You speak for the entire brotherhood of service members now?
Are you [BLEEP] me?
Is there a hidden camera? Is Ashton Kutcher about to pop out?
Even if Trump *had* served, even if everyone with him that day had served, even if they all really had earned a right into this very real brotherhood that you very fakely claim to speak for, there are still rules at Arlington National Cemetery, those rules apply to veterans and to civilians, and those rules were broken.
Your every reply after mine proves you are a tool.
Your direct response to my post shows you have zero respect for anyone that has ever served.
(08-30-2024, 08:08 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 07:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It's not hate, it's concern.
I don't really blame Trump much for this because Biden shouldn't have forgotten their deaths occurred during his term.
But it's equally concerning that Trump is repeatedly using them as props and even using the cemetery as a whole as a prop.
I wouldn't be talking about it if you weren't telling lies about it though.
There were rules, and his people broke them, and he's proud to break them. That's your guy. You can at least admit he broke the rules.
Your opinion comes across as a joke to me.
You speak for the entire brotherhood of service members now?
Are you [BLEEP] me?
Is there a hidden camera? Is Ashton Kutcher about to pop out?
Even if Trump *had* served, even if everyone with him that day had served, even if they all really had earned a right into this very real brotherhood that you very fakely claim to speak for, there are still rules at Arlington National Cemetery, those rules apply to veterans and to civilians, and those rules were broken.
Your every reply after mine proves you are a tool.
Your direct response to my post shows you have zero respect for anyone that has ever served.
Buddy I'm not the one who just claimed to speak for everyone who ever served while credentialling a billionaire draft dodger as "one of us".
Keep digging!
Is he talking about Joe Biden?
Mr Biden never served in the US military, having received five student draft deferments and a conditional medical deferment while studying at the University of Delaware and Syracuse University in the 1960s, the latter following a physical exam in April 1968 that led to him being classified as I-Y, which meant he could only be drafted in the case of a national emergency.
When he was chosen as Mr Obama’s running-mate in 2008, a spokesperson explained that asthma had been the reason given for the exemption at the time.
or is he talking about Trump.
The 2-S classifications are Trump’s student deferments. The first two covered his time at Fordham University in the Bronx, and the second two allowed him to stay in school when he transferred to study business at the University of Pennsylvania.
At the time, as Tigar wrote in his 1969 article, any college student who asked could get a student deferment. When he graduated in 1968, Trump’s classification shifted to 1-A, or "available for service."
Had that stood, Trump would have been drafted.
But Trump had a physical exam in September 1968. He had taken one less than two years earlier that did not disqualify him for service as we can tell from his 1-A classification in July 1968. However, his second physical was followed in October with a new classification, 1-Y. That designation put him near the bottom of any call-up list. It meant he would only be drafted if there were a national emergency.
(08-30-2024, 10:08 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Is he talking about Joe Biden?
Mr Biden never served in the US military, having received five student draft deferments and a conditional medical deferment while studying at the University of Delaware and Syracuse University in the 1960s, the latter following a physical exam in April 1968 that led to him being classified as I-Y, which meant he could only be drafted in the case of a national emergency.
When he was chosen as Mr Obama’s running-mate in 2008, a spokesperson explained that asthma had been the reason given for the exemption at the time.
or is he talking about Trump.
The 2-S classifications are Trump’s student deferments. The first two covered his time at Fordham University in the Bronx, and the second two allowed him to stay in school when he transferred to study business at the University of Pennsylvania.
At the time, as Tigar wrote in his 1969 article, any college student who asked could get a student deferment. When he graduated in 1968, Trump’s classification shifted to 1-A, or "available for service."
Had that stood, Trump would have been drafted.
But Trump had a physical exam in September 1968. He had taken one less than two years earlier that did not disqualify him for service as we can tell from his 1-A classification in July 1968. However, his second physical was followed in October with a new classification, 1-Y. That designation put him near the bottom of any call-up list. It meant he would only be drafted if there were a national emergency.
I 100% believe there is a brotherhood of those who have served, and the idea that Trump is "in" but Biden is not, is just as ridiculous as the idea that Biden is "in" but Trump is not. In a small sense any "commander in chief" is in, but in a larger, truer sense, they are both out.
Biden's definitely not a billionaire though. Hell, maybe Trump isn't either.
(08-30-2024, 10:51 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 10:08 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Is he talking about Joe Biden?
Mr Biden never served in the US military, having received five student draft deferments and a conditional medical deferment while studying at the University of Delaware and Syracuse University in the 1960s, the latter following a physical exam in April 1968 that led to him being classified as I-Y, which meant he could only be drafted in the case of a national emergency.
When he was chosen as Mr Obama’s running-mate in 2008, a spokesperson explained that asthma had been the reason given for the exemption at the time.
or is he talking about Trump.
The 2-S classifications are Trump’s student deferments. The first two covered his time at Fordham University in the Bronx, and the second two allowed him to stay in school when he transferred to study business at the University of Pennsylvania.
At the time, as Tigar wrote in his 1969 article, any college student who asked could get a student deferment. When he graduated in 1968, Trump’s classification shifted to 1-A, or "available for service."
Had that stood, Trump would have been drafted.
But Trump had a physical exam in September 1968. He had taken one less than two years earlier that did not disqualify him for service as we can tell from his 1-A classification in July 1968. However, his second physical was followed in October with a new classification, 1-Y. That designation put him near the bottom of any call-up list. It meant he would only be drafted if there were a national emergency.
I 100% believe there is a brotherhood of those who have served, and the idea that Trump is "in" but Biden is not, is just as ridiculous as the idea that Biden is "in" but Trump is not. In a small sense any "commander in chief" is in, but in a larger, truer sense, they are both out.
Back then ANY student in college could ask for and receive a deferment if they stayed in school. It was not restricted to the "Millionaires"'. (jeez sometimes I believe the more you talk the more we figure out you just don't know) So neither was a draft dodger. I know the devil made you say it. The only difference is Biden after college never had a job the taxpayers didn't pay for. Same as Bernie Sanders. Trump however did not. Yea, he had a leg up on most everyone, but still amassed his money outside of politics. Biden however working as a politician amassed his fortune from the taxpayers. I still am a bit fuzzy how politicians working for relatively low wages can amass that much wealth. It is amazing Kamela is the same way.
Personally I do not believe people should be allowed to hold public office before they have had to work in the public sector for a while. Other wise while they may have some good concepts they just don't understand business, how to implement without causing chaos and how the average person really feels. Also, I do not want anyone serving me for their entire career.
(08-30-2024, 08:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 08:08 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Your every reply after mine proves you are a tool.
Your direct response to my post shows you have zero respect for anyone that has ever served.
Buddy I'm not the one who just claimed to speak for everyone who ever served while credentialling a billionaire draft dodger as "one of us".
Keep digging!
Look at you frothing at the mouth. I didn’t say he was one of us, I said he gets a pass. As I said you just don’t understand and never will.
(08-31-2024, 03:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2024, 08:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy I'm not the one who just claimed to speak for everyone who ever served while credentialling a billionaire draft dodger as "one of us".
Keep digging!
Look at you frothing at the mouth. I didn’t say he was one of us, I said he gets a pass. As I said you just don’t understand and never will.
Even so, you don't get to give that "pass" on behalf of everyone who has ever served. Some service members disagree with you. Some might give Obama or Biden or Harris a pass as well.
(08-31-2024, 04:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2024, 03:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Look at you frothing at the mouth. I didn’t say he was one of us, I said he gets a pass. As I said you just don’t understand and never will.
Even so, you don't get to give that "pass" on behalf of everyone who has ever served. Some service members disagree with you. Some might give Obama or Biden or Harris a pass as well.
And a very large majority agree with me. Like it or not Trump does a better job of reaching out to the military. Biden and Harris are more interested in representing illegal aliens than first responders.
(08-31-2024, 07:55 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2024, 04:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Even so, you don't get to give that "pass" on behalf of everyone who has ever served. Some service members disagree with you. Some might give Obama or Biden or Harris a pass as well.
And a very large majority agree with me. Like it or not Trump does a better job of reaching out to the military. Biden and Harris are more interested in representing illegal aliens than first responders.
Certainly a lot of you guys feel that way.
But a lot don't.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22761/us-...-election/
(08-31-2024, 08:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2024, 07:55 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]And a very large majority agree with me. Like it or not Trump does a better job of reaching out to the military. Biden and Harris are more interested in representing illegal aliens than first responders.
Certainly a lot of you guys feel that way.
But a lot don't.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22761/us-...-election/
LOL. October 2016 - August 2020 data.
(08-31-2024, 09:50 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2024, 08:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Certainly a lot of you guys feel that way.
But a lot don't.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22761/us-...-election/
LOL. October 2016 - August 2020 data.
Seems someone is trying to distract everyone from the real issues in the campaign and place it on every trivial thing they can.
It's probably not bad data. It's most likely due to the shifting demographics of the military.