(08-15-2023, 02:34 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 02:15 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]They are actually stopping others from providing support. Go watch the videos of what is going on there. What you are being told is not happening and like normal when the government and Red Cross get involved, everything slows down and people are left without their needs being met.
Also watch about what some of the people are being offered and the strings attached to the support. Developers and government that have been trying to get their hands on the area for years but have always been met with people unwilling to sell no matter the price are now trying to use this to buy the land.
Then look at the rich side and all the celebrity and millionaire homes that are fine. Why would a fire just happen to leave their homes alone?
Then look at the plans they have wanted to do for an eco smart city for years. Well it's a lot easier to build from scratch and now you have land that you can condemn easily now. Then "clean" it up and build your smart city.
The police captain that was also in charge in Las Vegas during that whole screwed up mess with lots of open questions and conspiracies.
A lot of things by themselves are just incidental but all of these coincidences that keep adding to each other shouldn't be ignored.
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Do you think the fire was started deliberately in order to clear the way for property developers?
No clue right now. There are a bunch of crazies running with space lasers and stuff like that. All that is just meant to make it harder to actually see the truth because it just gets lumped into the crazy.
There are reports of fire fighters leaving while the fire was still going early in the day. Reports of water being turned off or no water available. Homeowners were actually able to fight it off themselves until they turned the water off.
Most of the fires today are arson. It's not climate change and it's not lightning. They had an arsonist problem before this fire started, so most likely it was the same person.
Right on cue the governor says he is looking to find a way to buy the land and "then build working class homes". The problem with that is it will be a long time until the land is cleared and cleaned up. It will cost a lot to do the cleanup and just like the shipyards the government won't want to pay for it. So they will sell to someone rich.
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(08-15-2023, 08:30 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2023, 02:34 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think the fire was started deliberately in order to clear the way for property developers?
No clue right now. There are a bunch of crazies running with space lasers and stuff like that. All that is just meant to make it harder to actually see the truth because it just gets lumped into the crazy.
There are reports of fire fighters leaving while the fire was still going early in the day. Reports of water being turned off or no water available. Homeowners were actually able to fight it off themselves until they turned the water off.
Most of the fires today are arson. It's not climate change and it's not lightning. They had an arsonist problem before this fire started, so most likely it was the same person.
Right on cue the governor says he is looking to find a way to buy the land and "then build working class homes". The problem with that is it will be a long time until the land is cleared and cleaned up. It will cost a lot to do the cleanup and just like the shipyards the government won't want to pay for it. So they will sell to someone rich.
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The allegation isn't that climate change started the fire.
The allegation is climate change made the fire worse. It's tenuous at best. Western Maui has always been dry and its ecology has been turned upside down by invasive grasses. Very unlikely that climate change played much of a role in making the fire worse.
However climate change is real and has caused the extreme heat in AZ, TX, and FL this summer.
So hurricane winds are considered climate change?
(08-16-2023, 02:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]So hurricane winds are considered climate change?
When the source is from a bunch of blowhards, yup..
(08-16-2023, 02:56 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]So hurricane winds are considered climate change?
Unless they are stronger than before, or in a new part of the world, or the wrong time of year, no.
This hurricane was in the normal range for strength, location, and season, so the Maui tragedy seems to have very little to do with climate change.
"Climate change" as defined by the far left democrats like Mikesez is complete and utter bull [BLEEP]. We live in Florida. Places like Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc. get hot during the summer.
(08-16-2023, 04:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]"Climate change" as defined by the far left democrats like Mikesez is complete and utter bull [BLEEP]. We live in Florida. Places like Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc. get hot during the summer.
Disney world experienced an extreme heat warning for the first time in their 50 years of operation last week.
(08-16-2023, 04:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2023, 04:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]"Climate change" as defined by the far left democrats like Mikesez is complete and utter bull [BLEEP]. We live in Florida. Places like Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc. get hot during the summer.
Disney world experienced an extreme heat warning for the first time in their 50 years of operation last week.
Because it's August... in Florida... it gets hot here.
(08-16-2023, 04:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2023, 04:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Disney world experienced an extreme heat warning for the first time in their 50 years of operation last week.
Because it's August... in Florida... it gets hot here.
Hot, yes. This was hotter. Hotter than ever. The hottest in terms of heat index. Do we need to go back to 2nd grade or whenever you were supposed to learn about the -er and -est suffixes?
Hottest until when? We were going through a cold spell all through the 70s. Remember? It was the coldest then. Climate ebbs and flows. Yes, men create climate change. I'd bet a hundred bucks we end up realizing it's from concrete and pavement retaining heat more than C02 admissions, but whatever. It's still largely insignificant. But send our money to whoever says they will fix it by .01 degrees. Seems responsible.
(08-16-2023, 05:04 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Hottest until when? We were going through a cold spell all through the 70s. Remember? It was the coldest then. Climate ebbs and flows. Yes, men create climate change. I'd bet a hundred bucks we end up realizing it's from concrete and pavement retaining heat more than C02 admissions, but whatever. It's still largely insignificant. But send our money to whoever says they will fix it by .01 degrees. Seems responsible.
I wasn't alive in the 70s like you, but yes there are cycles. There are things that have nothing to do with human activity like solar intensity and volcanic eruptions. Scientists can measure those and account for them. They do not explain the heating we are seeing. CO2 emitted by humans does.
(08-16-2023, 04:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2023, 04:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Because it's August... in Florida... it gets hot here.
Hot, yes. This was hotter. Hotter than ever. The hottest in terms of heat index. Do we need to go back to 2nd grade or whenever you were supposed to learn about the -er and -est suffixes?
FYI, outliers, such as the one you reference, are typically discounted in scientific research. Median and/or mean figures are considered far more accurate measurements of change. I know it's somewhat more advanced than 2nd grade, but you should have learned about it in high school.
(08-16-2023, 04:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2023, 04:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Because it's August... in Florida... it gets hot here.
Hot, yes. This was hotter. Hotter than ever. The hottest in terms of heat index. Do we need to go back to 2nd grade or whenever you were supposed to learn about the -er and -est suffixes?
The hottest ever in terms of a metric in existence for less than 50 years. A metric built on over a dozen assumptions. Yeah, you can take that crap and toss it right out the window, lol.
(08-16-2023, 11:31 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2023, 04:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Hot, yes. This was hotter. Hotter than ever. The hottest in terms of heat index. Do we need to go back to 2nd grade or whenever you were supposed to learn about the -er and -est suffixes?
FYI, outliers, such as the one you reference, are typically discounted in scientific research. Median and/or mean figures are considered far more accurate measurements of change. I know it's somewhat more advanced than 2nd grade, but you should have learned about it in high school.
I did learn that in high school, also college, and guess what? The mean and median temperatures for the past year or past decade are all out of range high! Weird, right?
(08-16-2023, 11:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2023, 04:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Hot, yes. This was hotter. Hotter than ever. The hottest in terms of heat index. Do we need to go back to 2nd grade or whenever you were supposed to learn about the -er and -est suffixes?
The hottest ever in terms of a metric in existence for less than 50 years. A metric built on over a dozen assumptions. Yeah, you can take that crap and toss it right out the window, lol.
That's fair. Temperature measurement goes back about 150 years though, and we can estimate temperatures farther back than that by various means. Most any way you slice it, we are currently at a record high.
I've learned its pointless to illustrate climate change to those that won't accept it.
Unfortunately it's too easy to explain it away with weather patterns and cycles. El Niño is usually to blame because it indeed shakes things up in similar ways to the long term patterns.
By the time the hard data is 100% irrefutable illustrating the irreversible change heading our way enough for skeptics to accept - we'll all be dead or on our nearing our deathbeds. It'll be our adult-aged great grandkids that get totally screwed.
I don't expect people who couldn't give a rat's [BLEEP] about losing a third of the elderly population to a pandemic to care about something that will happen when they're dead.
(08-17-2023, 07:34 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2023, 11:31 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]FYI, outliers, such as the one you reference, are typically discounted in scientific research. Median and/or mean figures are considered far more accurate measurements of change. I know it's somewhat more advanced than 2nd grade, but you should have learned about it in high school.
I did learn that in high school, also college, and guess what? The mean and median temperatures for the past year or past decade are all out of range high! Weird, right?
Yet, despite admittedly knowing it was an unreliable standard of measure, you chose to present this singular anomaly in support of your theory. Do you see any relationship between this approach and the level of credibility you hold with this board?
(08-17-2023, 09:05 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2023, 07:34 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I did learn that in high school, also college, and guess what? The mean and median temperatures for the past year or past decade are all out of range high! Weird, right?
Yet, despite admittedly knowing it was an unreliable standard of measure, you chose to present this singular anomaly in support of your theory. Do you see any relationship between this approach and the level of credibility you hold with this board?
Because not everyone on this board paid attention in high school, jackass.
It doesn't matter what I say. You will come up with another excuse to say I'm not credible.
You make it about me.
Address the fact that the monthly mean temperatures, annual mean temperatures, and decade long mean temperatures are all at record highs.
You asked for means and medians, I responded, and you as usual are wrong. Laughably wrong.
Deal with that, deal with your own wrongness, and stop making it about me, because you won't like it if I return the favor.
(08-17-2023, 09:57 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2023, 08:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've learned its pointless to illustrate climate change to those that won't accept it.
Unfortunately it's too easy to explain it away with weather patterns and cycles. El Niño is usually to blame because it indeed shakes things up in similar ways to the long term patterns.
By the time the hard data is 100% irrefutable illustrating the irreversible change heading our way enough for skeptics to accept - we'll all be dead or on our nearing our deathbeds. It'll be our adult-aged great grandkids that get totally screwed.
I don't expect people who couldn't give a rat's [BLEEP] about losing a third of the elderly population to a pandemic to care about something that will happen when they're dead.
You were saying?
![[Image: climateqa_global_surface_temps_65million_years_2480.png]](https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/2023-01/climateqa_global_surface_temps_65million_years_2480.png)
Which of those million year long periods had intensive industrial agriculture and rigid national borders intended to bound the movements of billions of humans?