(05-01-2025, 09:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 07:03 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Yet again, goalposts on the move. Your previous post specified "trial" five times, but now you want "hearings" instead. How do you envision those hearings proceeding after apprehension? Will they be evidentiary? Will there be an appeals process? Will the defendants be provided legal counsel? If they don't even claim to be here legally, do we still need a hearing?
Why should the judicial system of another country become our problem, simply because a fugitive from that country entered the U.S. illegally? For the nth time, Garcia did NOT come here seeking asylum, nor is he exactly the poster child for such an argument. You Liberals pick the strangest hills to live and die on.
You moved the goalposts, socky.
First we were talking about imprisoning people. That should require a trial.
Then you changed the subject to merely deporting people. That requires a hearing.
If a person admits in their hearing that they are here illegally, that's a very short hearing, but it's still a hearing. We still have to tell them where we are going to send them, and give them an opportunity to plead to be sent to another place if they wish.
It does require a trial to imprison people in the U.S. How do you not understand this? What may or may not occur under judicial systems of other countries is beyond our power to control.
Why do we need to give them the opportunity to choose deportation destinations when they've entered illegally? We're not running a Club Med here.
FBI Agents Photographed Kneeling During George Floyd Protest Get Brutal News from Kash Patel: Report
FBI Director Kash Patel has bad news for those agents who decided to support the violent mob in 2020.
CNN reported Wednesday that Patel had reassigned agents who were photographed kneeling during a George Floyd protest in Washington, D.C., in June 2020. These were people in uniform and on duty when they took a knee.
Per CNN, these reassignments are essentially demotions for the agents.
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-agent...tel-report
(05-01-2025, 12:27 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 09:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You moved the goalposts, socky.
First we were talking about imprisoning people. That should require a trial.
Then you changed the subject to merely deporting people. That requires a hearing.
If a person admits in their hearing that they are here illegally, that's a very short hearing, but it's still a hearing. We still have to tell them where we are going to send them, and give them an opportunity to plead to be sent to another place if they wish.
It does require a trial to imprison people in the U.S. How do you not understand this? What may or may not occur under judicial systems of other countries is beyond our power to control.
Why do we need to give them the opportunity to choose deportation destinations when they've entered illegally? We're not running a Club Med here.
Of course I understand it requires a trial to imprison someone in the US. That's one of our key values. It's the fifth amendment and it's the 14th amendment.
Of course I understand that we can't control what happens in El Salvador.
But when we deport someone, we get to choose where they go. If we choose to send them somewhere that will imprison them without trial, that choice is violating their fifth and 14th amendment rights.
And I did not say we should give them the opportunity to choose where they go. Choose is not the word I used. I said plead. If they have a specific reason to want to go to one city and not another, that's something we should consider, but only within reason. The place we send them has to accept them, also.
So as much as we want to be a big swinging [BLEEP] and just say these people aren't our problem anymore, when you load somebody onto a bus or a plane, you are responsible for them, at least for a while.
Mike Waltz, other National Security Council staffers out in latest Trump purge following Signal chat leak
Fox News confirmed Waltz and his deputy, Alex Wong, left the office Thursday
Trump administration National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and other staffers are out at the National Security Council, sources confirmed to Fox News.
Fox News confirmed Waltz and his deputy, Alex Wong, were ousted Thursday. Sources said additional staffers removed from the office will likely be announced, and President Donald Trump is expected to speak publicly about the matter.
Waltz, who previously served as a Florida congressman and as a decorated combat Green Beret, has come under fire from Democrats and critics since March, when the Atlantic magazine's Editor-in-Chief Jeffrey Goldberg published a firsthand account of getting added to a Signal group chat with top national security leaders, including Waltz, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and CIA Director John Ratcliffe, while they discussed strikes against Yemen terrorists.
Waltz took responsibility for the inclusion of a journalist in the group chat, telling Fox News' Laura Ingraham, "I take full responsibility. I built the group," he said. "It's embarrassing. We're going to get to the bottom of it."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-wa...-chat-leak
(05-01-2025, 01:54 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]FBI Agents Photographed Kneeling During George Floyd Protest Get Brutal News from Kash Patel: Report
FBI Director Kash Patel has bad news for those agents who decided to support the violent mob in 2020.
CNN reported Wednesday that Patel had reassigned agents who were photographed kneeling during a George Floyd protest in Washington, D.C., in June 2020. These were people in uniform and on duty when they took a knee.
Per CNN, these reassignments are essentially demotions for the agents.
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-agent...tel-report
But what about freezed peach for whirled peas? Whomp whomp.
(05-01-2025, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 12:27 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]It does require a trial to imprison people in the U.S. How do you not understand this? What may or may not occur under judicial systems of other countries is beyond our power to control.
Why do we need to give them the opportunity to choose deportation destinations when they've entered illegally? We're not running a Club Med here.
Of course I understand it requires a trial to imprison someone in the US. That's one of our key values. It's the fifth amendment and it's the 14th amendment.
Of course I understand that we can't control what happens in El Salvador.
But when we deport someone, we get to choose where they go. If we choose to send them somewhere that will imprison them without trial, that choice is violating their fifth and 14th amendment rights.
And I did not say we should give them the opportunity to choose where they go. Choose is not the word I used. I said plead. If they have a specific reason to want to go to one city and not another, that's something we should consider, but only within reason. The place we send them has to accept them, also.
So as much as we want to be a big swinging [BLEEP] and just say these people aren't our problem anymore, when you load somebody onto a bus or a plane, you are responsible for them, at least for a while.
You really, really love criminals, don't ya?
(05-01-2025, 04:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Of course I understand it requires a trial to imprison someone in the US. That's one of our key values. It's the fifth amendment and it's the 14th amendment.
Of course I understand that we can't control what happens in El Salvador.
But when we deport someone, we get to choose where they go. If we choose to send them somewhere that will imprison them without trial, that choice is violating their fifth and 14th amendment rights.
And I did not say we should give them the opportunity to choose where they go. Choose is not the word I used. I said plead. If they have a specific reason to want to go to one city and not another, that's something we should consider, but only within reason. The place we send them has to accept them, also.
So as much as we want to be a big swinging [BLEEP] and just say these people aren't our problem anymore, when you load somebody onto a bus or a plane, you are responsible for them, at least for a while.
You really, really love criminals, don't ya?
While it appears that way in order to answer you he would have to consult the sources that tell him what to think and say. The indoctrination is strong in this one.
(05-01-2025, 04:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 02:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Of course I understand it requires a trial to imprison someone in the US. That's one of our key values. It's the fifth amendment and it's the 14th amendment.
Of course I understand that we can't control what happens in El Salvador.
But when we deport someone, we get to choose where they go. If we choose to send them somewhere that will imprison them without trial, that choice is violating their fifth and 14th amendment rights.
And I did not say we should give them the opportunity to choose where they go. Choose is not the word I used. I said plead. If they have a specific reason to want to go to one city and not another, that's something we should consider, but only within reason. The place we send them has to accept them, also.
So as much as we want to be a big swinging [BLEEP] and just say these people aren't our problem anymore, when you load somebody onto a bus or a plane, you are responsible for them, at least for a while.
You really, really love criminals, don't ya?
I love making sure we imprison the right people, and not any innocent people.
In a previous generation though, your kind would call folks like me negro (but the other word) lovers. I see it clearly now.
(05-01-2025, 06:33 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 04:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You really, really love criminals, don't ya?
While it appears that way in order to answer you he would have to consult the sources that tell him what to think and say. The indoctrination is strong in this one.
Go [BLEEP] yourself. No one was talking to you.
Ooooo we've decided to try a spicy mask this time! Rawl!!!!!
(05-01-2025, 06:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Ooooo we've decided to try a spicy mask this time! Rawl!!!!!
Always attack the man. Never the argument.
(05-01-2025, 06:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 04:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You really, really love criminals, don't ya?
I love making sure we imprison the right people, and not any innocent people.
In a previous generation though, your kind would call folks like me negro (but the other word) lovers. I see it clearly now.
(05-01-2025, 06:33 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]While it appears that way in order to answer you he would have to consult the sources that tell him what to think and say. The indoctrination is strong in this one.
Go [BLEEP] yourself. No one was talking to you.
While I appreciate the suggestion. I believe you should review an anatomy book. What you suggest is not possible, much like a few of your arguments.
(05-01-2025, 07:38 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 06:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I love making sure we imprison the right people, and not any innocent people.
In a previous generation though, your kind would call folks like me negro (but the other word) lovers. I see it clearly now.
Go [BLEEP] yourself. No one was talking to you.
While I appreciate the suggestion. I believe you should review an anatomy book. What you suggest is not possible, much like a few of your arguments.
Don't worry, FSG can hook you up with some great advice on a real doll just for you.
(05-01-2025, 09:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 07:38 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]While I appreciate the suggestion. I believe you should review an anatomy book. What you suggest is not possible, much like a few of your arguments.
Don't worry, FSG can hook you up with some great advice on a real doll just for you.
Another fine suggestion. I appreciate the effort but once again it is unfortunately inaccurate. You do have an issue doing this. I will point out you seem to have copied you initial suggestion to me from Ilhan Omar when addressing reporters. Maybe think for yourself in the future instead of being a parrot?
(05-01-2025, 07:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-01-2025, 06:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Ooooo we've decided to try a spicy mask this time! Rawl!!!!!
Always attack the man. Never the argument.
I'm attacking you, not a man. The argument is specious, as usual, but explaining that to you requires a ride on the goalpost carousel and I'm not about that anymore.
At the risk of being dragged down the rabbit hole; to me it’s pretty, simple just two questions.
1. Are you a US citizen?
2. Are you here legally?
If the answer to both questions is no, you have had your hearing and back to your country of origin you go. End of story
(Yesterday, 08:36 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]At the risk of being dragged down the rabbit hole; to me it’s pretty, simple just two questions.
1. Are you a US citizen?
2. Are you here legally?
If the answer to both questions is no, you have had your hearing and back to your country of origin you go. End of story
Agreed, Those that would argue to do otherwise each have the blood of people like this on their hands. I hope this does not touch them personally as it has many Americans..
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/26/us/jocely...index.html
(Yesterday, 08:36 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]At the risk of being dragged down the rabbit hole; to me it’s pretty, simple just two questions.
1. Are you a US citizen?
2. Are you here legally?
If the answer to both questions is no, you have had your hearing and back to your country of origin you go. End of story
What if I say yes to one or both but you suspect I'm lying?
(8 hours ago)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (Yesterday, 08:36 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]At the risk of being dragged down the rabbit hole; to me it’s pretty, simple just two questions.
1. Are you a US citizen?
2. Are you here legally?
If the answer to both questions is no, you have had your hearing and back to your country of origin you go. End of story
What if I say yes to one or both but you suspect I'm lying?
I believe you are missing his point. The individuals answers are inconsequential. The US has a screening process which is law. Illegals bypassed this and under Biden they failed to do this. It is a felony to bypass this. Those that do bypass this are to be returned to their home country and allowed in after this has been done. Summary below.
The US immigration screening process involves several stages to determine an individual's eligibility for entry, including medical examinations, background checks, and interviews. These checks aim to ensure the applicant meets legal requirements and doesn't pose a threat to national security or public health.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Medical Examinations:
- Purpose:
To screen for medical conditions that may be grounds for inadmissibility under U.S. immigration law.
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Content:
May include medical history review, physical examination, chest X-ray, and blood tests for syphilis.
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Focus:
Primarily focuses on conditions specified by the U.S. Public Health Service.
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Note:
The medical exam is not a complete physical examination and does not provide diagnosis or treatment for conditions outside the scope of immigration screening.
2. Background and Security Checks:
- Purpose:
To verify an applicant's identity, check for criminal history, and assess any potential national security risks.
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Checks:
May include fingerprint checks with the FBI, name checks with the FBI, and inter-agency checks.
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Duration:
Processing times can vary, with FBI fingerprint checks potentially taking 24-48 hours, while FBI name checks can take 30-120 days.
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Biometric checks:
These may include checks against criminal history and previous immigration data.
3. Interviews:
- Purpose:
To evaluate the applicant's credibility and assess whether their claims are consistent with their case file and country conditions.
- Process:
Conducted by USCIS officers, who may also collect fingerprints and photographs.
- Re-interviews:
May be conducted if new information or fingerprint results raise questions.
4. Final Processing and Decision:
- Conditional Approval:
Once all security checks and medical screenings are cleared, a refugee's application may be conditionally approved.
- Final Approval:
The conditional approval becomes final after all checks are cleared, and the applicant is approved for resettlement.
- Cultural Orientation:
Refugees may be offered cultural orientation to prepare them for resettlement in the U.S.