(07-24-2023, 07:46 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2023, 05:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Beans beans, they're good for the heart.
Is Brunswick a small town?
No. Neither is Macon in case you are wondering.
Macon is about 10x as big as Brunswick.
Brunswick counts as a small town, to me. Why do you say no?
(07-24-2023, 07:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2023, 07:10 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Go read the other side of the story to get their input before you just decide GA is right because the WSJ gave you talking points. Cases won't be won in GA with Rats in charge.
Look at why they only wanted 250 numbers, look at the parameters used to filter the list down. It wasn't little Susie going to the library every day after school. The criteria was frankly way too strict and they had to go to certain locations to pickup ballots and then multiple drop boxes.
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The Republicans have been in charge of Georgia for 20 years.
Rats is one of them and if you follow his history, you see he was picked to run as a republican. Kemp is a RINO also but he was at least saying there should be an investigation. Then his daughter's fiance got in an "accident" and died. It looked like a bomb or missle hit. At least 1 of the investigators was killed or committed suicide (can't remember which).
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(07-24-2023, 07:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2023, 07:46 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]No. Neither is Macon in case you are wondering.
Macon is about 10x as big as Brunswick.
Brunswick counts as a small town, to me. Why do you say no?
A small town has 1 high school.
(07-25-2023, 01:03 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2023, 07:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Macon is about 10x as big as Brunswick.
Brunswick counts as a small town, to me. Why do you say no?
A small town has 1 high school.
There's only 1 in Brunswick. The other is in unincorporated Glynn County.
You're saying in small towns people look out for each other, and someone is likely to chase you down and pull a gun on you if you try to rob a liquor store. And that's good.
But we know Brunswick is a place where people are likely to chase you down if you look at a pile of construction materials too long. Even if you don't take any.
Is it that second high school that causes us to cross that threshold from "good ol boys" to openly corralling and murdering joggers in broad daylight?
(07-24-2023, 06:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2023, 04:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL - 4 pages about a song, and you fly in here and start attacking me out of nowhere.
Did you just wake up and decide to be an [BLEEP] today or something?
Bolded is 100% horse [BLEEP]. Full bologna
Red bit is also 100% horse [BLEEP] - stop misrepresenting and presuming my thoughts and beliefs. I've posted a dozen times to the contrary. Three times in the past week. If you're going to attack me - get your [BLEEP] together.
As far as all of your paranoia and fear laden tripe about all of the evil forces at work, you just have at it there guy.
Blather on ad infinitum.
I know there are bad people doing bad things and bad grande designs being laid, but I don't jump on every little garbage conspiracy narrative that pops up like you do and I feel wiser for it.
Insult me all you like for not falling prey to conspiracy.
Have the [BLEEP] at it.
I'm proud that I'm not so gullible.
(07-24-2023, 06:48 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I can throw a dart and hit a thread where you're being a self-important blowhard. It doesn't really make a difference to me where I call you out. You should own your words. Does it matter if you called him far right in this thread or another?
I made a specific response to your grandstanding (that I don't believe is exclusive to you, but to many of the moderates), to which you said it was patently false. It's not. You choose to use the buzzwords that have no meaning other than to slander. You choose to repeat talking points without doing your own research. You choose to demagogue and demean your political opponents without caring about the whole of the truth. Imo, you don't properly challenge authority so long as you feel it's the right authority. You contribute to the very same problem you have railed against in at least 5 different threads. So, no... it's not coming out of nowhere.
I have a problem with you and moderates like you who I believe are good people and don't hate America. I don't disagree with your premise, except you are attacking the "extremes" of both sides while continuing to prop up and defend a system that is destroying our commonality. I think it's this blindness that prohibits you from properly scrutinizing how and why people are becoming divided and standards are deteriorating around this nation. It's not social media. It's not maga supporters. It's not BLM. Sure, yeah... all of those are contributors to the problem, but you're every bit the same as far as I'm concerned.
I don't care about this song. I think it's a stupid thing to argue about. I believe in free speech. The grand wizard of the KKK could write a song about how the Jews stole Christmas and I wouldn't give two [BLEEP]. If MTV wanted to play the song around the clock, I wouldn't care. I would probably not listen to it, but I mean, hey... if it had a sick beat, who knows? Hell, I WAP, WAP, WAP all the way home sometimes. I don't care about the Barbie movie. I care about who holds the levers of power that shape our collective minds, though. I think, on this front, it's easy to see who has the real power. Instead, we're talking about small towns and the artists "intent," and we say it's a conspiracy when it's pointed out that corporate America is working more and more like a government that picks and chooses what messaging is acceptable.
LOL
Could have just said "yes" and saved a lot of keystrokes.
Sorry you're so bitter today.
Intellectual elitism means never having to say you're sorry. We can now return back to your disdain for tradition and the working class. I know, I know.... you never said that.
(07-25-2023, 09:35 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2023, 06:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Could have just said "yes" and saved a lot of keystrokes.
Sorry you're so bitter today.
Intellectual elitism means never having to say you're sorry. We can now return back to your disdain for tradition and the working class. I know, I know.... you never said that.
Yeah
I get it
You're getting beat down in every thread here and can't support any of your stances with facts or compelling arguments. So you've reverted to your little [BLEEP] [BLEEP] punk method of putting words in my mouth and hurling insults.
Have fun with that.
You suck at defending your piss poor arguments and you suck at this little schtick too.
FYI
I'm not going to keep stooping to this level, so I'll just ignore you moving forward if you are just attacking me instead of posting anything relevant.
(07-25-2023, 07:34 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2023, 01:03 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]A small town has 1 high school.
There's only 1 in Brunswick. The other is in unincorporated Glynn County.
You're saying in small towns people look out for each other, and someone is likely to chase you down and pull a gun on you if you try to rob a liquor store. And that's good.
But we know Brunswick is a place where people are likely to chase you down if you look at a pile of construction materials too long. Even if you don't take any.
Is it that second high school that causes us to cross that threshold from "good ol boys" to openly corralling and murdering joggers in broad daylight?
Ok, say population around 1000. Brunswick is not a small town.
(07-24-2023, 07:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another article about "True the Vote" and "2000 Mules."
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgia...ary-claims
Basically, True the Vote and 2000 Mules alleged some serious wrongdoing in the 2000 Presidential vote in Georgia. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation decided to do their job and investigate, but True the Vote is refusing to turn over any evidence. So the GBI subpoenaed the alleged evidence, and True the Vote tried to withdraw their claims. The GBI says these are serious allegations, and we need the evidence, so we will not withdraw our subpoena.
https://rumble.com/v324ki6-gregg-phillip...d-ina.html
Here they are responding to this WSJ "article". I'm sure you will claim it's misinformation because it's Bannon or not even watch it but you really should. They offered to share all of this before and did share it with the GBI but stuff was leaked and they stopped. No one wanted to touch it in MSM and the GBI and other agencies all tried to bury it or selectively leak info.
This is one of the problems with MSM and liberals who only present/view their side. They can't see when they are being lied to or just don't care because the liberal viewpoint is best regardless of the truth.
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(07-25-2023, 09:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2023, 09:35 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Intellectual elitism means never having to say you're sorry. We can now return back to your disdain for tradition and the working class. I know, I know.... you never said that.
Yeah
I get it
You're getting beat down in every thread here and can't support any of your stances with facts or compelling arguments. So you've reverted to your little [BLEEP] [BLEEP] punk method of putting words in my mouth and hurling insults.
Have fun with that.
You suck at defending your piss poor arguments and you suck at this little schtick too.
FYI
I'm not going to keep stooping to this level, so I'll just ignore you moving forward if you are just attacking me instead of posting anything relevant.
Lol. If that's how you feel, so be it. I don't feel like I'm getting beat down. I mean, if the analogy is akin to a person playing wall ball. If you want to be the wall, eventually I'll get tired and put the ball down. I wouldn't consider that a loss, though, since I'm the one getting better. I don't really know which argument you feel your "winning" here.
Let me make it clear that I'm never attacking you personally. I insinuate plenty, certainly, but I do that for my own amusement. If you're feelings are getting hurt, I can certainly be more sensitve. Would you prefer that? I've told you before that if say you and then make mentions of moderates or liberals more broadly, I am attacking a position, not you as a person. You don't ever seem to make that distinction. Even when I intentionally don't mention you but speak to your point by addressing all moderates or liberals, you apply it to yourself.
I have a problem with moderates, which I have said repeatedly. I have stated specific problems they cause, and I have encouraged the moderates here to challenge the information they are being fed. It's a perfectly rational position, and it works whether you're being lied to or being told the truth. If your solution starts and stops with the authorities, then progress is limited to that of the authorities. Knowledge is limited to that of the authorities. Morality is limited to that of the authorities. That's terrible, and if you don't want to have your world dictated by people you disagree with, you shouldn't advocate for it when your side holds power.
Now, if this thread follows the other ones where I have been "beat down," you'll ad hominem either with conspiracy or whatever it is you use to dismiss my points. That's really not a loss to me. That's a lost cause. You can block me if you want, but I'll still point out where I think you are being hypocritical, and the only difference is you don't get the benefit of making a snide comment. Win-win.
(07-25-2023, 01:07 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2023, 07:34 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]There's only 1 in Brunswick. The other is in unincorporated Glynn County.
You're saying in small towns people look out for each other, and someone is likely to chase you down and pull a gun on you if you try to rob a liquor store. And that's good.
But we know Brunswick is a place where people are likely to chase you down if you look at a pile of construction materials too long. Even if you don't take any.
Is it that second high school that causes us to cross that threshold from "good ol boys" to openly corralling and murdering joggers in broad daylight?
Ok, say population around 1000. Brunswick is not a small town.
The town of 1,000 may not even have a liquor store.
(07-25-2023, 04:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2023, 01:07 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, say population around 1000. Brunswick is not a small town.
The town of 1,000 may not even have a liquor store.
True, the one I grew up in was a dry township.
(07-26-2023, 11:23 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2023, 03:19 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. If that's how you feel, so be it. I don't feel like I'm getting beat down. I mean, if the analogy is akin to a person playing wall ball. If you want to be the wall, eventually I'll get tired and put the ball down. I wouldn't consider that a loss, though, since I'm the one getting better. I don't really know which argument you feel your "winning" here. Any and all that you've attempted to counter me in so far. Not about winning, I'm here to learn and discuss, but you continue to just fire blanks. Not my problem. I wish you were better at it so I didn't have to continue breaking down your errors in reasoning. It's tedious.
Let me make it clear that I'm never attacking you personally.
HAHAHAHAHA.
This was your last post. You directed a slight at me and then put completely untrue opinions in my mouth.
NYC has a hard time seeing how he's a part of the problem, as do all the moderates on this board. He casually uses words like "far right" and "extremists" without even considering how those words have been distorted by the left. He can't even acknowledge that the leftist media intentionally misleads.
I insinuate plenty, certainly, but I do that for my own amusement. If you're feelings are getting hurt, I can certainly be more sensitve.
Feelings hurt?? Because you keep getting frustrated at losing debates and resort to cheap insults?? Nah, man. It a'int like that.
Would you prefer that? I've told you before that if say you and then make mentions of moderates or liberals more broadly, I am attacking a position, not you as a person. You don't ever seem to make that distinction. Even when I intentionally don't mention you but speak to your point by addressing all moderates or liberals, you apply it to yourself.
I have a problem with moderates, which I have said repeatedly.
Of course you lean into a broad sweeping generalization here, because those are always so accurate, right?
I have stated specific problems they cause, and I have encouraged the moderates here to challenge the information they are being fed. It's a perfectly rational position, and it works whether you're being lied to or being told the truth. If your solution starts and stops with the authorities, then progress is limited to that of the authorities. Knowledge is limited to that of the authorities. Morality is limited to that of the authorities. That's terrible, and if you don't want to have your world dictated by people you disagree with, you shouldn't advocate for it when your side holds power.
More psycho-babble ^ amounting to zero and also attributing more statements to me that I never said. Man, you apparently LOVE to do that!
Now, if this thread follows the other ones where I have been "beat down," you'll ad hominem either with conspiracy or whatever it is you use to dismiss my points. That's really not a loss to me. That's a lost cause. You can block me if you want, but I'll still point out where I think you are being hypocritical, and the only difference is you don't get the benefit of making a snide comment. Win-win.
I said I'd ignore you if you attack me again w/o relevant content. I didn't say "block"
Read more carefully, please.
Maybe we're getting to the root of your poor debate skill here.
Comments in red. ^
ON TOPIC:
Anyone have an opinion on DeSantis inserting the "benefits" of slavery into Florida public school history?
Seems a bit ridiculous to me.
By the way - the whole "some slaves were taught to be blacksmiths" narrative he's trotting out (while silly compared to the rape, torture, detainment, child separation etc) is actually even more silly when you learn that West African slaves who already knew blacksmithing actually brought previously unknown techniques to the states. Many of them were actually sent out to various other blacksmithing forges to teach their techniques.
From what I read somewhere else, these ‘benefits of slavery’ quotes are hyperbolized and the actual passages being targeted were written by black scholars.
(07-26-2023, 11:23 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2023, 03:19 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. If that's how you feel, so be it. I don't feel like I'm getting beat down. I mean, if the analogy is akin to a person playing wall ball. If you want to be the wall, eventually I'll get tired and put the ball down. I wouldn't consider that a loss, though, since I'm the one getting better. I don't really know which argument you feel your "winning" here. Any and all that you've attempted to counter me in so far. Not about winning, I'm here to learn and discuss, but you continue to just fire blanks. Not my problem. I wish you were better at it so I didn't have to continue breaking down your errors in reasoning. It's tedious.
Let me make it clear that I'm never attacking you personally.
HAHAHAHAHA.
This was your last post. You directed a slight at me and then put completely untrue opinions in my mouth.
NYC has a hard time seeing how he's a part of the problem, as do all the moderates on this board. He casually uses words like "far right" and "extremists" without even considering how those words have been distorted by the left. He can't even acknowledge that the leftist media intentionally misleads.
I insinuate plenty, certainly, but I do that for my own amusement. If you're feelings are getting hurt, I can certainly be more sensitve.
Feelings hurt?? Because you keep getting frustrated at losing debates and resort to cheap insults?? Nah, man. It a'int like that.
Would you prefer that? I've told you before that if say you and then make mentions of moderates or liberals more broadly, I am attacking a position, not you as a person. You don't ever seem to make that distinction. Even when I intentionally don't mention you but speak to your point by addressing all moderates or liberals, you apply it to yourself.
I have a problem with moderates, which I have said repeatedly.
Of course you lean into a broad sweeping generalization here, because those are always so accurate, right?
I have stated specific problems they cause, and I have encouraged the moderates here to challenge the information they are being fed. It's a perfectly rational position, and it works whether you're being lied to or being told the truth. If your solution starts and stops with the authorities, then progress is limited to that of the authorities. Knowledge is limited to that of the authorities. Morality is limited to that of the authorities. That's terrible, and if you don't want to have your world dictated by people you disagree with, you shouldn't advocate for it when your side holds power.
More psycho-babble ^ amounting to zero and also attributing more statements to me that I never said. Man, you apparently LOVE to do that!
Now, if this thread follows the other ones where I have been "beat down," you'll ad hominem either with conspiracy or whatever it is you use to dismiss my points. That's really not a loss to me. That's a lost cause. You can block me if you want, but I'll still point out where I think you are being hypocritical, and the only difference is you don't get the benefit of making a snide comment. Win-win.
I said I'd ignore you if you attack me again w/o relevant content. I didn't say "block"
Read more carefully, please.
Maybe we're getting to the root of your poor debate skill here.
Comments in red. ^
ON TOPIC:
Anyone have an opinion on DeSantis inserting the "benefits" of slavery into Florida public school history?
Seems a bit ridiculous to me.
By the way - the whole "some slaves were taught to be blacksmiths" narrative he's trotting out (while silly compared to the rape, torture, detainment, child separation etc) is actually even more silly when you learn that West African slaves who already knew blacksmithing actually brought previously unknown techniques to the states. Many of them were actually sent out to various other blacksmithing forges to teach their techniques.
Except, that's not what is happening.
Your VP lied to you (shocking!).
Nothing in the curriculum says anything about "the benefits of slavery".
(07-26-2023, 03:11 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (07-26-2023, 11:23 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Comments in red. ^
ON TOPIC:
Anyone have an opinion on DeSantis inserting the "benefits" of slavery into Florida public school history?
Seems a bit ridiculous to me.
By the way - the whole "some slaves were taught to be blacksmiths" narrative he's trotting out (while silly compared to the rape, torture, detainment, child separation etc) is actually even more silly when you learn that West African slaves who already knew blacksmithing actually brought previously unknown techniques to the states. Many of them were actually sent out to various other blacksmithing forges to teach their techniques.
Except, that's not what is happening.
Your VP lied to you (shocking!).
Nothing in the curriculum says anything about "the benefits of slavery".
I put the word in quotes for a reason.
How would you describe skills learned as slaves that "could be used for personal benefit?"
Quote:Florida's 2023 Social Studies curriculum will include lessons on how "slaves developed skills" that could be used for "personal benefit," according to a copy of the state's academic standards reviewed by CBS News.
The lessons in question fall under the social studies curriculum's African-American studies section, and be taught to students in sixth through eighth grade, according to the state standards.
The lessons for that grade level will include teachings on understanding the "causes, courses and consequences of the slave trade in the colonies," and instruction on the differences and similarities between serfdom and slavery, the curriculum says. Students will also be asked to describe "the contact of European explorers with systematic slave trading in Africa" and look at the history and evolution of slave codes.
The line about "personal benefit" is included as a "benchmark clarification" to a lesson that asks students to "examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves," such as agricultural work, domestic service, blacksmithing and household tasks like tailoring and painting.
The curriculum was approved by Florida's board of education on Wednesday.
By the way, I'm unaware of the content of the VP's comments on the subject other than knowing she mentioned the new curriculum in a recent podium appearance.
I merely described them as I've seen them described in 12 different headlines. I even put the quotes around the word to avoid this semantics roundabout.
Because slaves did develop skills. They had some of the fastest growing businesses after slavery was abolished... right up until the federal minimum wage law was passed to keep well established companies in positions of power. If the goal is to whitewash history, then, sure, be mad, but I don't think that's the goal of these new standards. I think the goal is to contextualize history.
(07-26-2023, 05:03 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Because slaves did develop skills. They had some of the fastest growing businesses after slavery was abolished... right up until the federal minimum wage law was passed to keep well established companies in positions of power. If the goal is to whitewash history, then, sure, be mad, but I don't think that's the goal of these new standards. I think the goal is to contextualize history.
History is a story.
Certain facts distract from that story.
If you just say, "the slaves acquired skills" that makes it sound like it's a silver lining or even a positive thing. Especially when you consider Robert E Lee's letters, reflecting a common attitude at the time, that slavery was necessary to "educate" the slaves, that this "education" was somehow genetic and generational, and they would soon be "worthy" of freedom.
Starts to make it sound like 250 years of slavery was done for the slave's benefit.
This is a false conclusion obviously, and therefore any facts that might lead one to such a conclusion must be presented in a blanket of context or not at all.
As for the federal minimum wage law, at that time, the average buyer of goods and services was racist and avoided doing business with black people unless the price was dramatically lower. The minimum wage did have that impact (if you believe Thomas Sowell, and I do) but it was not the problem. The racism was the problem.
(07-26-2023, 03:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (07-26-2023, 03:11 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Except, that's not what is happening.
Your VP lied to you (shocking!).
Nothing in the curriculum says anything about "the benefits of slavery".
I put the word in quotes for a reason.
How would you describe skills learned as slaves that "could be used for personal benefit?"
Quote:Florida's 2023 Social Studies curriculum will include lessons on how "slaves developed skills" that could be used for "personal benefit," according to a copy of the state's academic standards reviewed by CBS News.
The lessons in question fall under the social studies curriculum's African-American studies section, and be taught to students in sixth through eighth grade, according to the state standards.
The lessons for that grade level will include teachings on understanding the "causes, courses and consequences of the slave trade in the colonies," and instruction on the differences and similarities between serfdom and slavery, the curriculum says. Students will also be asked to describe "the contact of European explorers with systematic slave trading in Africa" and look at the history and evolution of slave codes.
The line about "personal benefit" is included as a "benchmark clarification" to a lesson that asks students to "examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves," such as agricultural work, domestic service, blacksmithing and household tasks like tailoring and painting.
The curriculum was approved by Florida's board of education on Wednesday.
By the way, I'm unaware of the content of the VP's comments on the subject other than knowing she mentioned the new curriculum in a recent podium appearance.
I merely described them as I've seen them described in 12 different headlines. I even put the quotes around the word to avoid this semantics roundabout.
Well I’ll be. There it is right there! Unbelievable! Right there in the 2nd paragraph, between the third and fourth sentence. Desantis is pro slavery.