(09-01-2024, 05:07 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 04:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Yahoo article I found gave me a pretty concise summary of what some of the family members had to say, and I related what I read back to you. I explained why it didn't disprove my point.
If I missed something, in one of the videos, you can surely summarize that for me. The only thing I would be missing is the raw emotion of it, which I don't need in my life.
I thought I had joined the party that frowned on using emotion and bleeding heart arguments to win political debates.
In the US it is common for young adults to reject some of their parents' values and beliefs. Suppose one of these soldiers who died at Abbey Gate actually had been anti-Trump for any reason. And their parents are now using their death as a pro-Trump political point. That would be weird, right? Like maybe individual soldier names and deaths shouldn't become partisan political footballs?
You really should just stop.
Up until 2 years ago I worked directly not only with the military, but also many government agencies (NOAA, NASA, CBP, etc.) and I never encountered any "anti Trump" types. The military is slowly changing with some of the acceptance of gays and other liberal ideologies such as yours, but that appeared to me to be mainly in the upper ranks. The lower ranks who are the "backbone" of the military all tend to lean very conservative.
As far as the military, I can only speak of the ones that I worked directly with, those being members of the Navy, Marine Corp and certain members of Special Operations. I can't really speak much about the culture in the Army or Air Force, but I imagine it's going to be close to the same.
As far as what happened at ANC, the Gold Star Families got permission and direction to ensure that they were following proper protocol from the staff at the cemetery. 8 of the 13 family members specifically invited President Trump to attend the ceremony and didn't invite Biden or Harris because as one father put it "we wanted a leader that cares about the members of the military". The Gold Star family members also specifically requested photos and video of the event (which was granted).
The fact that your candidate commie-la tried to make a political issue out of it is shameful and disrespectful (not surprising about your party). It really is a huge non-issue.
I have worked in the same office with a core group of about 30 folks for about ten years.
The big boss has lots of Trump memorabilia in his office.
For a while there was a lady working with us who kept an oversized Stanley type mug with smokey the bear and the text "only YOU can prevent fascism." She left the job to spend more time with her kids.
Those are the only two outward political signals that have ever been in the office.
Most of the office would assume I'm either apolitical or pro-Trump given how closely I work with the big boss. I've only ever talked politics with like three of the other employees in the ten years I've been there.
(09-02-2024, 12:06 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 09:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What does Hamas killing an American hostage have to do with the American left?
You don't see an issue with your party's news network headline?
I would have mentioned Hamas. But everyone already knows Hamas is the ones holding hostages.
(09-02-2024, 12:06 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 09:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What does Hamas killing an American hostage have to do with the American left?
You don't see an issue with your party's news network headline?
Of course he doesn't. He is as ghoulish as they are
(09-02-2024, 12:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 12:06 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]You don't see an issue with your party's news network headline?
I would have mentioned Hamas. But everyone already knows Hamas is the ones holding hostages.
Really, then why is the left riddled with Pro-Palestinian's? CNN needs to call it out, they won't, because it doesn't suit their preferred party in this election and it doesn't suit their narrative.
(09-02-2024, 01:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 12:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I would have mentioned Hamas. But everyone already knows Hamas is the ones holding hostages.
Really, then why is the left riddled with Pro-Palestinian's? CNN needs to call it out, they won't, because it doesn't suit their preferred party in this election and it doesn't suit their narrative.
Same reason the right is riddled with white nationalists.
Suppose you were pro-Palestinian. What would you do? Vote Republican?
But the headline is more an example of using fewer words, than pro-Palestinian bias.
(09-02-2024, 02:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 01:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Really, then why is the left riddled with Pro-Palestinian's? CNN needs to call it out, they won't, because it doesn't suit their preferred party in this election and it doesn't suit their narrative.
Same reason the right is riddled with white nationalists.
Suppose you were pro-Palestinian. What would you do? Vote Republican?
But the headline is more an example of using fewer words, than pro-Palestinian bias.
So, "has died" vs "tortured and murdered ". You are a problem.
(09-02-2024, 12:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 12:06 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]You don't see an issue with your party's news network headline?
I would have mentioned Hamas. But everyone already knows Hamas is the ones holding hostages.
So which headline is actually true and gives the real news?
"Israeli-American hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin has died, his family says in a statement released by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs"
"Israel’s military says six hostages ‘brutally murdered’ in Gaza, including Israeli-American Goldberg-Polin"
Pick one and tell me why it is more accurate than the other one.
As a bonus, my headline would read "Israel's military found six hostages brutally murdered in an execution style killing by Hamas"
(09-02-2024, 01:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 12:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I would have mentioned Hamas. But everyone already knows Hamas is the ones holding hostages.
Really, then why is the left riddled with Pro-Palestinian's? CNN needs to call it out, they won't, because it doesn't suit their preferred party in this election and it doesn't suit their narrative.
The left is not only riddled with "pro palestinians" they are also riddled with pro-hamas people. Just take a look at some of the clothing and flags that they carry during their "protests".
(09-02-2024, 10:21 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 09:59 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Well, surely this doesn't help.
Biden delivered $121M in taxpayer funds to Hamas-tied UNRWA since October, State Department says (msn.com)
Yeah, but the word for that is "fools" not "demons".
Right, right...intentionally being anti-American and pro-evil makes them "fools" in your mind. You're so afraid to call evil by it's name that you will unabashedly shill for the most horrific of organizations. Are you so dense that you don't believe these people are intentionally evil? That rape and murder is just a big "oopsie" and they really don't mean it? That they wouldn't rape you and your family to death 100% of the time if they were given 100 chances to do so? You're a naive fool who survives only because the society you refuse to defend stands between you and the barbarians at our gates. It's why we have to relegate you and those like you to the back of the conversation, because in your desire to be loved by people who hate us you would give them everything they want though there would be no difference in the outcome. We can't afford to let people like you continue to hamstring our country and civilization.
(09-02-2024, 02:21 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 02:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Same reason the right is riddled with white nationalists.
Suppose you were pro-Palestinian. What would you do? Vote Republican?
But the headline is more an example of using fewer words, than pro-Palestinian bias.
So, "has died" vs "tortured and murdered ". You are a problem.
I wasn't up to date on the story.
Anyhow CNN agrees with you, they changed the headline:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/31/middleeas...index.html
Decent news organizations correct their errors.
(09-02-2024, 04:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 10:21 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, but the word for that is "fools" not "demons".
Right, right...intentionally being anti-American and pro-evil makes them "fools" in your mind. You're so afraid to call evil by it's name that you will unabashedly shill for the most horrific of organizations. Are you so dense that you don't believe these people are intentionally evil? That rape and murder is just a big "oopsie" and they really don't mean it? That they wouldn't rape you and your family to death 100% of the time if they were given 100 chances to do so? You're a naive fool who survives only because the society you refuse to defend stands between you and the barbarians at our gates. It's why we have to relegate you and those like you to the back of the conversation, because in your desire to be loved by people who hate us you would give them everything they want though there would be no difference in the outcome. We can't afford to let people like you continue to hamstring our country and civilization.
Read more. Attack less. Your reading comprehension is very bad.
Caldrac's article blamed Biden for sending funds to the UNRWA. The article said that UNRWA money often ended up in Hamas' hands, even though UNRWA is supposed to be independent from Palestinian politics and especially from Palestinian terrorists. The article was reasonable. I agreed with it. The article showed Biden to be foolish, but not demonic.
Hamas, on the other hand, is demonic.
And your assumption, which is what FSG is rightly attacking, is based on the naive belief that the people "unintentionally" funding Hamas don't understand what they are doing. They know they are funding war. It keeps them in business. That's just as demonic.
(09-02-2024, 04:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 02:21 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]So, "has died" vs "tortured and murdered ". You are a problem.
I wasn't up to date on the story.
Anyhow CNN agrees with you, they changed the headline:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/31/middleeas...index.html
Decent news organizations correct their errors.
(09-02-2024, 04:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Right, right...intentionally being anti-American and pro-evil makes them "fools" in your mind. You're so afraid to call evil by it's name that you will unabashedly shill for the most horrific of organizations. Are you so dense that you don't believe these people are intentionally evil? That rape and murder is just a big "oopsie" and they really don't mean it? That they wouldn't rape you and your family to death 100% of the time if they were given 100 chances to do so? You're a naive fool who survives only because the society you refuse to defend stands between you and the barbarians at our gates. It's why we have to relegate you and those like you to the back of the conversation, because in your desire to be loved by people who hate us you would give them everything they want though there would be no difference in the outcome. We can't afford to let people like you continue to hamstring our country and civilization.
Read more. Attack less. Your reading comprehension is very bad.
Caldrac's article blamed Biden for sending funds to the UNRWA. The article said that UNRWA money often ended up in Hamas' hands, even though UNRWA is supposed to be independent from Palestinian politics and especially from Palestinian terrorists. The article was reasonable. I agreed with it. The article showed Biden to be foolish, but not demonic.
Hamas, on the other hand, is demonic.
They didn't change it. It is still there. Click it.
Can you ever just take an L?
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/183010464...EPBHw&s=19
(09-02-2024, 05:45 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2024, 04:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't up to date on the story.
Anyhow CNN agrees with you, they changed the headline:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/31/middleeas...index.html
Decent news organizations correct their errors.
Read more. Attack less. Your reading comprehension is very bad.
Caldrac's article blamed Biden for sending funds to the UNRWA. The article said that UNRWA money often ended up in Hamas' hands, even though UNRWA is supposed to be independent from Palestinian politics and especially from Palestinian terrorists. The article was reasonable. I agreed with it. The article showed Biden to be foolish, but not demonic.
Hamas, on the other hand, is demonic.
They didn't change it. It is still there. Click it.
Can you ever just take an L?
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/183010464...EPBHw&s=19
When I click, the headline is "Israel’s military says six hostages ‘brutally murdered’ in Gaza, including Israeli-American Goldberg-Polin"
(09-02-2024, 05:42 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]And your assumption, which is what FSG is rightly attacking, is based on the naive belief that the people "unintentionally" funding Hamas don't understand what they are doing. They know they are funding war. It keeps them in business. That's just as demonic.
Big if true...