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Coming soon to a new car near you. This will replace the battery/electric cars. The impact to the environment is minimal unlike lithium. The exhaust is H2O. The only issue is hydrogen is really not that hard to produce, the only reason "old money" and those who want control/power have been slowing the development.

https://global.honda/en/newsroom/news/20...19eng.html

(03-22-2025, 02:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Coming soon to a new car near you. This will replace the battery/electric cars. The impact to the environment is minimal unlike lithium. The exhaust is H2O.  The only issue is hydrogen is really not that hard to produce, the only reason "old money" and those who want control/power have been slowing the development.

https://global.honda/en/newsroom/news/20...19eng.html

The energy density of liquid hydrogen is extremely low, and it will be evaporated within a day or two. Compressed hydrogen is easier to manage, but its energy density is even lower. Unless you get used to having a car with a huge tank that looks like a station wagon but only seats two, you will have to refill about every hundred miles, best case scenario.

Columbia University complies with Trump funding demands

Columbia University said Friday it has agreed to a list of demands from the Trump administration as it seeks to begin talks to restore $400 million in federal funding.

After the administration cut off the funds over what it called failure to protect students from antisemitism, the federal government outlined steps the university would have to take to even begin discussions of getting the money back. Columbia has agreed to all of them, even the most controversial ones, such as putting certain academic departments in receivership. 

The school will hire dozens of campus police officers and give them more power to arrest students; update its disciplinary policies; clarify policies on acceptable times, place and manner for protests; and move its University Judicial Board to the Office of the Provost...

(03-22-2025, 04:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Columbia University complies with Trump funding demands

Columbia University said Friday it has agreed to a list of demands from the Trump administration as it seeks to begin talks to restore $400 million in federal funding.

After the administration cut off the funds over what it called failure to protect students from antisemitism, the federal government outlined steps the university would have to take to even begin discussions of getting the money back. Columbia has agreed to all of them, even the most controversial ones, such as putting certain academic departments in receivership. 

The school will hire dozens of campus police officers and give them more power to arrest students; update its disciplinary policies; clarify policies on acceptable times, place and manner for protests; and move its University Judicial Board to the Office of the Provost...

Honestly, I think these Provost, Administrators were just waiting for Trump to threaten to withold funds or initiate any kind of penatly.. It gives the stiffs at Columbia an out or an excuse to cave without as much backlash from the libtards..

(03-22-2025, 04:26 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-22-2025, 04:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Columbia University complies with Trump funding demands

Columbia University said Friday it has agreed to a list of demands from the Trump administration as it seeks to begin talks to restore $400 million in federal funding.

After the administration cut off the funds over what it called failure to protect students from antisemitism, the federal government outlined steps the university would have to take to even begin discussions of getting the money back. Columbia has agreed to all of them, even the most controversial ones, such as putting certain academic departments in receivership. 

The school will hire dozens of campus police officers and give them more power to arrest students; update its disciplinary policies; clarify policies on acceptable times, place and manner for protests; and move its University Judicial Board to the Office of the Provost...

Honestly, I think these Provost, Administrators were just waiting for Trump to threaten to withold funds or initiate any kind of penatly.. It gives the stiffs at Columbia an out or an excuse to cave without as much backlash from the libtards..

You know, I have to say that I do believe that You're correct in your assumption...... it's a common tactic that idiots use so they don't feel the heat later on

(03-22-2025, 02:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-22-2025, 02:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Coming soon to a new car near you. This will replace the battery/electric cars. The impact to the environment is minimal unlike lithium. The exhaust is H2O.  The only issue is hydrogen is really not that hard to produce, the only reason "old money" and those who want control/power have been slowing the development.

https://global.honda/en/newsroom/news/20...19eng.html

The energy density of liquid hydrogen is extremely low, and it will be evaporated within a day or two. Compressed hydrogen is easier to manage, but its energy density is even lower. Unless you get used to having a car with a huge tank that looks like a station wagon but only seats two, you will have to refill about every hundred miles, best case scenario.

I have to disagree with your opinion there. Before you dig your heels in take a look at what Finland has been doing with less tech. They are going hydrogen when the rest of the EU is going electric.

Doesn't appear your description was very accurate?
https://www.greencars.com/greencars-101/...gJrePD_BwE

Hyundai Nexo SUV carries an EPA range estimate of 380 miles in its most efficient (and least expensive) form. The Toyota Mirai sedan carries a range estimate of 402 miles.

Elon Musk helped with fires, astronauts, and hurricane relief efforts. Where have Gates, Zuckerberg, and Bezos been?

(03-22-2025, 05:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-22-2025, 02:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The energy density of liquid hydrogen is extremely low, and it will be evaporated within a day or two. Compressed hydrogen is easier to manage, but its energy density is even lower. Unless you get used to having a car with a huge tank that looks like a station wagon but only seats two, you will have to refill about every hundred miles, best case scenario.

I have to disagree with your opinion there. Before you dig your heels in take a look at what Finland has been doing with less tech. They are going hydrogen when the rest of the EU is going electric.

Doesn't appear your description was very accurate?
https://www.greencars.com/greencars-101/...gJrePD_BwE

Hyundai Nexo SUV carries an EPA range estimate of 380 miles in its most efficient (and least expensive) form. The Toyota Mirai sedan carries a range estimate of 402 miles.

I'll admit that the fuel cell technology is much more viable than the hydrogen combustion technology, but the basic problem remains. It is very unlikely that a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will ever become more economical than a battery vehicle. The two examples you gave are more expensive than Teslas and less spacious. The only advantage the hydrogen offers is the ability to quickly replace the fuel, just like it was a gas car, but I don't think that will be enough for most buyers. At current prices, refilling one of these hydrogen vehicles is about $150. Refilling a comparable gasoline powered car is going to be $50, recharging a comparable Tesla is going to be about $15.

Once again, Code Pink sides with the terrorists. Rubio tells them like it is, but it won't change their stance. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/b9eEqK0PWuM?s...yJvfwBfxCg

(03-23-2025, 02:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-22-2025, 05:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I have to disagree with your opinion there. Before you dig your heels in take a look at what Finland has been doing with less tech. They are going hydrogen when the rest of the EU is going electric.

Doesn't appear your description was very accurate?
https://www.greencars.com/greencars-101/...gJrePD_BwE

Hyundai Nexo SUV carries an EPA range estimate of 380 miles in its most efficient (and least expensive) form. The Toyota Mirai sedan carries a range estimate of 402 miles.

I'll admit that the fuel cell technology is much more viable than the hydrogen combustion technology, but the basic problem remains. It is very unlikely that a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will ever become more economical than a battery vehicle. The two examples you gave are more expensive than Teslas and less spacious. The only advantage the hydrogen offers is the ability to quickly replace the fuel, just like it was a gas car, but I don't think that will be enough for most buyers. At current prices, refilling one of these hydrogen vehicles is about $150. Refilling a comparable gasoline powered car is going to be $50, recharging a comparable Tesla is going to be about $15.

To recharge an electric vehicle the power plant has to produce much more power than the efficiency of the vehicle over just a gasoline one. T&D is between 25%-50%, add to that 3% for the battery heat, another 3% for the charger and about 6-9% for local distribution loss. At best it is a break even to a gas engine. Cost for the production of Hydrogen will rapidly fall as demand increases. The Hydrogen tech is the only way to enable commercial trucking, Rail, ships. By the way they do not pay $150 to fill a tank in Finland, so I guess you are getting that estimate from where? Come on now your just digging your heels in fro no reason.

Actually the fuel cell tech is similar to a hybrid car. It puts the power generation in the car eliminating the transmission costs.

(03-23-2025, 02:32 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-23-2025, 02:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'll admit that the fuel cell technology is much more viable than the hydrogen combustion technology, but the basic problem remains. It is very unlikely that a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will ever become more economical than a battery vehicle. The two examples you gave are more expensive than Teslas and less spacious. The only advantage the hydrogen offers is the ability to quickly replace the fuel, just like it was a gas car, but I don't think that will be enough for most buyers. At current prices, refilling one of these hydrogen vehicles is about $150. Refilling a comparable gasoline powered car is going to be $50, recharging a comparable Tesla is going to be about $15.

To recharge an electric vehicle the power plant has to produce much more power than the efficiency of the vehicle over just a gasoline one. T&D is between 25%-50%, add to that 3% for the battery heat, another 3% for the charger and about 6-9% for local distribution loss. At best it is a break even to a gas engine. Cost for the production of Hydrogen will rapidly fall as demand increases. The Hydrogen tech is the only way to enable commercial trucking, Rail, ships. By the way they do not pay $150 to fill a tank in Finland, so I guess you are getting that estimate from where? Come on now your just digging your heels in fro no reason.

Actually the fuel cell tech is similar to a hybrid car. It puts the power generation in the car eliminating the transmission costs.

You're speaking in terms of Joules or British thermal units, I was speaking in terms of dollars.

There's also the issue of carbon emissions. If your local utility mostly uses coal or pet coke, and in North and Central Florida that's what they mostly use, a Tesla is probably no better for the environment than a similar gas-hybrid vehicle. The thermal efficiency of the gas hybrid vehicle is only a little less than the thermal efficiency of the coal power plant, and coal intrinsically emits significantly more carbon dioxide per unit of heat than gasoline or diesel does.  On the other hand, if your power plant is burning natural gas, and that's becoming more common, there is probably a slight reduction in CO2 when you switch from a hybrid to a battery-electric.

Keep in mind that most hydrogen for sale for use in cars was derived from electrolysis and most of that electricity was derived from fossil fuels.  It's best to understand compressed hydrogen with a fuel cell as a low density battery.

You're correct that hydrogen becomes more interesting for long haul trucking because thats a field where saving weight is more important than saving volume. New flying vehicles could be designed around hydrogen fuel also, for the same reason. But with passenger cars, volume is more precious than weight and it's unlikely that hydrogen will ever become preferred over batteries for that reason.

I quoted you current prices of hydrogen in California, where it is not subsidized. I don't know what the price in Finland is, but I would assume some sort of subsidy is in place.

(03-23-2025, 02:27 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Once again, Code Pink sides with the terrorists. Rubio tells them like it is, but it won't change their stance. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/b9eEqK0PWuM?s...yJvfwBfxCg

Rubio is 100% correct!!!!! It's these whiney liberal jackasses that will not admit to what Hamas are doing and making excuses for Hamas. As far as I'm concerned, Hamas are the worst kind of war criminal....... A lot worse then the entire NAZI regime

(03-23-2025, 03:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-23-2025, 02:32 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]To recharge an electric vehicle the power plant has to produce much more power than the efficiency of the vehicle over just a gasoline one. T&D is between 25%-50%, add to that 3% for the battery heat, another 3% for the charger and about 6-9% for local distribution loss. At best it is a break even to a gas engine. Cost for the production of Hydrogen will rapidly fall as demand increases. The Hydrogen tech is the only way to enable commercial trucking, Rail, ships. By the way they do not pay $150 to fill a tank in Finland, so I guess you are getting that estimate from where? Come on now your just digging your heels in fro no reason.

Actually the fuel cell tech is similar to a hybrid car. It puts the power generation in the car eliminating the transmission costs.

You're speaking in terms of Joules or British thermal units, I was speaking in terms of dollars.

There's also the issue of carbon emissions. If your local utility mostly uses coal or pet coke, and in North and Central Florida that's what they mostly use, a Tesla is probably no better for the environment than a similar gas-hybrid vehicle. The thermal efficiency of the gas hybrid vehicle is only a little less than the thermal efficiency of the coal power plant, and coal intrinsically emits significantly more carbon dioxide per unit of heat than gasoline or diesel does.  On the other hand, if your power plant is burning natural gas, and that's becoming more common, there is probably a slight reduction in CO2 when you switch from a hybrid to a battery-electric.

Keep in mind that most hydrogen for sale for use in cars was derived from electrolysis and most of that electricity was derived from fossil fuels.  It's best to understand compressed hydrogen with a fuel cell as a low density battery.

You're correct that hydrogen becomes more interesting for long haul trucking because thats a field where saving weight is more important than saving volume.  New flying vehicles could be designed around hydrogen fuel also, for the same reason.  But with passenger cars, volume is more precious than weight and it's unlikely that hydrogen will ever become preferred over batteries for that reason.

I quoted you current prices of hydrogen in California, where it is not subsidized.  I don't know what the price in Finland is, but I would assume some sort of subsidy is in place.

Well there that and the issue if all cars were electric our grid could not support it. So in 2040 if the permitting process is not interrupted by another party, we can switch ...lol

'Toxic masculinity, nationalism, and fascist idolatry all rolled into one!'



https://youtube.com/shorts/bpelF2fjV9E?s...-pPlxeYfQl

(03-23-2025, 05:25 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]'Toxic masculinity, nationalism, and fascist idolatry all rolled into one!'



https://youtube.com/shorts/bpelF2fjV9E?s...-pPlxeYfQl

I read about that, first I've seen the video though....... Yes, that man has everything that triggers the leftist, including RESPECT for our COMMANDER AND CHIEF, DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And considering he's an LT in the United States Air Force and plans to make a career out of it...... Leftist everywhere have no idea how to handle someone like him........

(03-23-2025, 03:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-23-2025, 02:32 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]To recharge an electric vehicle the power plant has to produce much more power than the efficiency of the vehicle over just a gasoline one. T&D is between 25%-50%, add to that 3% for the battery heat, another 3% for the charger and about 6-9% for local distribution loss. At best it is a break even to a gas engine. Cost for the production of Hydrogen will rapidly fall as demand increases. The Hydrogen tech is the only way to enable commercial trucking, Rail, ships. By the way they do not pay $150 to fill a tank in Finland, so I guess you are getting that estimate from where? Come on now your just digging your heels in fro no reason.

Actually the fuel cell tech is similar to a hybrid car. It puts the power generation in the car eliminating the transmission costs.

You're speaking in terms of Joules or British thermal units, I was speaking in terms of dollars.

There's also the issue of carbon emissions. If your local utility mostly uses coal or pet coke, and in North and Central Florida that's what they mostly use, a Tesla is probably no better for the environment than a similar gas-hybrid vehicle. The thermal efficiency of the gas hybrid vehicle is only a little less than the thermal efficiency of the coal power plant, and coal intrinsically emits significantly more carbon dioxide per unit of heat than gasoline or diesel does.  On the other hand, if your power plant is burning natural gas, and that's becoming more common, there is probably a slight reduction in CO2 when you switch from a hybrid to a battery-electric.

Keep in mind that most hydrogen for sale for use in cars was derived from electrolysis and most of that electricity was derived from fossil fuels.  It's best to understand compressed hydrogen with a fuel cell as a low density battery.

You're correct that hydrogen becomes more interesting for long haul trucking because thats a field where saving weight is more important than saving volume.  New flying vehicles could be designed around hydrogen fuel also, for the same reason.  But with passenger cars, volume is more precious than weight and it's unlikely that hydrogen will ever become preferred over batteries for that reason.

I quoted you current prices of hydrogen in California, where it is not subsidized.  I don't know what the price in Finland is, but I would assume some sort of subsidy is in place.

Appear this step will make the cost a bunch lower...believe me it is coming...

Hycamite in January revealed that it has secured all the requisite permits and started building a customer sample facility in the Kokkola Industrial Park, the largest ecosystem for the inorganic chemical industry in Northern Europe.

The facility will be built to demonstrate the viability of its methane-splitting technology, which promises to produce hydrogen with only 13 per cent of the energy needed for producing it by electrolysis. The technology is able to split large amounts of methane into its component elements – hydrogen and carbon – and capture the carbon in a solid, industrial-grade form.

https://www.goodnewsfinland.com/en/artic...gJor_D_BwE

(03-23-2025, 07:41 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-23-2025, 03:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You're speaking in terms of Joules or British thermal units, I was speaking in terms of dollars.

There's also the issue of carbon emissions. If your local utility mostly uses coal or pet coke, and in North and Central Florida that's what they mostly use, a Tesla is probably no better for the environment than a similar gas-hybrid vehicle. The thermal efficiency of the gas hybrid vehicle is only a little less than the thermal efficiency of the coal power plant, and coal intrinsically emits significantly more carbon dioxide per unit of heat than gasoline or diesel does.  On the other hand, if your power plant is burning natural gas, and that's becoming more common, there is probably a slight reduction in CO2 when you switch from a hybrid to a battery-electric.

Keep in mind that most hydrogen for sale for use in cars was derived from electrolysis and most of that electricity was derived from fossil fuels.  It's best to understand compressed hydrogen with a fuel cell as a low density battery.

You're correct that hydrogen becomes more interesting for long haul trucking because thats a field where saving weight is more important than saving volume.  New flying vehicles could be designed around hydrogen fuel also, for the same reason.  But with passenger cars, volume is more precious than weight and it's unlikely that hydrogen will ever become preferred over batteries for that reason.

I quoted you current prices of hydrogen in California, where it is not subsidized.  I don't know what the price in Finland is, but I would assume some sort of subsidy is in place.

Appear this step will make the cost a bunch lower...believe me it is coming...

Hycamite in January revealed that it has secured all the requisite permits and started building a customer sample facility in the Kokkola Industrial Park, the largest ecosystem for the inorganic chemical industry in Northern Europe.

The facility will be built to demonstrate the viability of its methane-splitting technology, which promises to produce hydrogen with only 13 per cent of the energy needed for producing it by electrolysis. The technology is able to split large amounts of methane into its component elements – hydrogen and carbon – and capture the carbon in a solid, industrial-grade form.

https://www.goodnewsfinland.com/en/artic...gJor_D_BwE

If somebody actually figures out how to produce H2 from CH4 that cheaply, and leave behind only elemental carbon, no CO2, it would change things drastically. 

Another technology that has never been economical, but could really change transportation if somebody makes it economical, is a methane fuel cell. It could be more efficient than a gas engine and require less mass and less volume than hydrogen or batteries. It would be a kind of a one step version of the technology you're describing.

People have been working on this stuff for decades, no breakthroughs yet.

Overt bias and disinformation in the MSM?? What heresy is this?

When it comes to deportations, why are the media hiding the ball?

…These are just a few headlines and news blurbs plucked at random, but they represent the overall coverage. We are immediately provided with the who, what, where and even when — but not with the why. That’s an omission so glaring as to be intentional.

It is possible — but unlikely — for a journalist to forget outright one of the five Ws of lede writing. But the entire newsroom? And for the issue to be spread out over multiple organizations? The word “unlikely” is getting a workout this week…

(03-23-2025, 09:45 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-23-2025, 07:41 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Appear this step will make the cost a bunch lower...believe me it is coming...

Hycamite in January revealed that it has secured all the requisite permits and started building a customer sample facility in the Kokkola Industrial Park, the largest ecosystem for the inorganic chemical industry in Northern Europe.

The facility will be built to demonstrate the viability of its methane-splitting technology, which promises to produce hydrogen with only 13 per cent of the energy needed for producing it by electrolysis. The technology is able to split large amounts of methane into its component elements – hydrogen and carbon – and capture the carbon in a solid, industrial-grade form.

https://www.goodnewsfinland.com/en/artic...gJor_D_BwE

If somebody actually figures out how to produce H2 from CH4 that cheaply, and leave behind only elemental carbon, no CO2, it would change things drastically. 

Another technology that has never been economical, but could really change transportation if somebody makes it economical, is a methane fuel cell. It could be more efficient than a gas engine and require less mass and less volume than hydrogen or batteries. It would be a kind of a one step version of the technology you're describing.

People have been working on this stuff for decades, no breakthroughs yet.

Are you ok? hallucinate much? or is it you AI? The article clearly stated that was what they were doing. The initial proof of concept plant is being built now.

Another except from the article below

It can also be scaled up rapidly when using a methane feedstock, be it biomethane, geological natural gas or synthetic natural gas.

According to the Kokkola-based company, the demonstration facility will have a nominal production capacity of 2 000 tonnes of hydrogen and 6 000 tonnes of carbon. The hydrogen can be used either as fuel or industrial raw material. The carbon, in turn, can be supplied to customers as nanocarbons or other industrial-grade products with applications in areas such as batteries, composite materials, concrete products, electronics, polymer additives and supercapacitors.

Dude, think you are a bit wrong here..