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Kim Potter found guilty of 1st and 2nd degree manslaughter in the shooting of Daunte Wright. What a shame such a stellar career of a devoted public servant ends so terribly. It was an honest mistake, but a deadly one.
(12-23-2021, 03:45 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Kim Potter found guilty of 1st and 2nd degree manslaughter in the shooting of Daunte Wright. What a shame such a stellar career of a devoted public servant ends so terribly. It was an honest mistake, but a deadly one.

A jury verdict, much like the Chauvin verdict, intended to satiate the barbarous mob.
(12-23-2021, 03:45 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Kim Potter found guilty of 1st and 2nd degree manslaughter in the shooting of Daunte Wright. What a shame such a stellar career of a devoted public servant ends so terribly. It was an honest mistake, but a deadly one.

That's basically the definition of manslaughter. This is the correct verdict.
(12-23-2021, 04:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-23-2021, 03:45 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Kim Potter found guilty of 1st and 2nd degree manslaughter in the shooting of Daunte Wright. What a shame such a stellar career of a devoted public servant ends so terribly. It was an honest mistake, but a deadly one.

That's basically the definition of manslaughter. This is the correct verdict.

Not according to Minnesota law.
What's unique about their law that would let her off? I didn't follow this trial at all. The whole thing is a tragedy.
(12-24-2021, 09:37 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]What's unique about their law that would let her off? I didn't follow this trial at all. The whole thing is a tragedy.

They have language in their 1st degree manslaughter law that considers intentionality. Have a read and tell me what you think, it's pretty concise as far as laws go:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.20

2nd degree manslaughter requires "consciously takes chance of causing death"

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/2021/cite/609.205

This case was neither, the cop was doing her job and consciously believed she was using her non-lethal weapon. These laws are both written to consider intent and it's pretty clear she intended to taze and subdue the guy. It was a mistake yes, but it wasn't manslaughter according to their laws.
(12-24-2021, 11:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-24-2021, 09:37 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]What's unique about their law that would let her off? I didn't follow this trial at all. The whole thing is a tragedy.

They have language in their 1st degree manslaughter law that considers intentionality. Have a read and tell me what you think, it's pretty concise as far as laws go:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.20

2nd degree manslaughter requires "consciously takes chance of causing death"

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/2021/cite/609.205

This case was neither, the cop was doing her job and consciously believed she was using her non-lethal weapon. These laws are both written to consider intent and it's pretty clear she intended to taze and subdue the guy. It was a mistake yes, but it wasn't manslaughter according to their laws.

You're right.  The adverb "consciously" is a necessary part of the clause, and none of the other clauses apply.
The jury is saying they believe it's unreasonable to think she wasn't conscious that she was holding a gun, given that she always kept the gun on that side of her belt, and the gun was a totally different weight than a tazer.
(12-24-2021, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-24-2021, 11:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They have language in their 1st degree manslaughter law that considers intentionality. Have a read and tell me what you think, it's pretty concise as far as laws go:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.20

2nd degree manslaughter requires "consciously takes chance of causing death"

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/2021/cite/609.205

This case was neither, the cop was doing her job and consciously believed she was using her non-lethal weapon. These laws are both written to consider intent and it's pretty clear she intended to taze and subdue the guy. It was a mistake yes, but it wasn't manslaughter according to their laws.

You're right.  The adverb "consciously" is a necessary part of the clause, and none of the other clauses apply.
The jury is saying they believe it's unreasonable to think she wasn't conscious that she was holding a gun, given that she always kept the gun on that side of her belt, and the gun was a totally different weight than a tazer.

Then that isn't manslaughter either.
(12-24-2021, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-24-2021, 11:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They have language in their 1st degree manslaughter law that considers intentionality. Have a read and tell me what you think, it's pretty concise as far as laws go:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.20

2nd degree manslaughter requires "consciously takes chance of causing death"

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/2021/cite/609.205

This case was neither, the cop was doing her job and consciously believed she was using her non-lethal weapon. These laws are both written to consider intent and it's pretty clear she intended to taze and subdue the guy. It was a mistake yes, but it wasn't manslaughter according to their laws.

You're right.  The adverb "consciously" is a necessary part of the clause, and none of the other clauses apply.
The jury is saying they believe it's unreasonable to think she wasn't conscious that she was holding a gun, given that she always kept the gun on that side of her belt, and the gun was a totally different weight than a tazer.

Just to argue the other side, here was a cop who, in many years on the force, had never drawn her gun and had never had a complaint against her.  Then, when she did draw her gun, as I recall, and correct me if I am wrong, wasn't she yelling "Taser taser taser"?   And then when she shot him, she was clearly distraught and appeared to be very surprised that she had drawn her gun instead of her taser.  At that point, she's either the greatest actress in the world, or she really thought she had drawn her taser.
(12-24-2021, 12:16 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-24-2021, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You're right.  The adverb "consciously" is a necessary part of the clause, and none of the other clauses apply.
The jury is saying they believe it's unreasonable to think she wasn't conscious that she was holding a gun, given that she always kept the gun on that side of her belt, and the gun was a totally different weight than a tazer.

Just to argue the other side, here was a cop who, in many years on the force, had never drawn her gun and had never had a complaint against her.  Then, when she did draw her gun, as I recall, and correct me if I am wrong, wasn't she yelling "Taser taser taser"?   And then when she shot him, she was clearly distraught and appeared to be very surprised that she had drawn her gun instead of her taser.  At that point, she's either the greatest actress in the world, or she really thought she had drawn her taser.

You're both discounting the sudden overwhelming stress she was under. She was an experienced cop, but not a hardened one.
And I'm not saying she's not at fault, but I don't believe it was criminal. I also think the prosecutor and court massaged the law to convict her and avoid rioting, especially since we know the judge received death threats from BLM during the trial.
(12-24-2021, 12:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm not saying she's not at fault, but I don't believe it was criminal. I also think the prosecutor and court massaged the law to convict her and avoid rioting, especially since we know the judge received death threats from BLM during the trial.

It's so freaking tragic that this is even a thing. Unbelievable.
I think you could make a case for manslaughter 2, but I agree that 1st degree doesn't seem to fit.
I had to remind myself this morning why I stopped watching Face the Nation. The way they presented democrat narrative as journalistic fact, while simultaneously acknowledging that trust in the media is low, was astounding to watch. It was a roundtable of CBS correspondents that simply couldn't stop doing the thing which self-admittedly drives their credibility into the toilet.
‘F*** Biden’ flag sitting atop Jacksonville crane stirs controversy (news4jax.com)

I said before when Trump was president that the left had opened the door for profane irreverence with all their pants pissing vitriol. Well, it's coming back at them. I don't approve of it, but this vulgar abuse was started by them. Funny how they've all of the sudden adopted a sense of decorum and prudishness.
(12-30-2021, 10:57 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]‘F*** Biden’ flag sitting atop Jacksonville crane stirs controversy (news4jax.com)

I said before when Trump was president that the left had opened the door for profane irreverence with all their pants pissing vitriol. Well, it's coming back at them. I don't approve of it, but this vulgar abuse was started by them. Funny how they've all of the sudden adopted a sense of decorum and prudishness.

It's pretty amazing the evolution of their mindset.
‘Madden NFL’ is racist declares some obscure professor desperate for recognition from his leftist peers in this ‘Me Too’ racist movement. Sadly, this is not a headline from the Babylon Bee.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/texas-pro...k-athletes

https://twitter.com/JacsonBevens/status/...54880?s=20
(12-31-2021, 08:06 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]‘Madden NFL’ is racist declares some obscure professor desperate for recognition from his leftist peers in this ‘Me Too’ racist movement. Sadly, this is not a headline from the Babylon Bee.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/texas-pro...k-athletes

https://twitter.com/JacsonBevens/status/...54880?s=20

 
When is the black community going to stop letting white liberals make them victims of every. damn. thing.?
(12-31-2021, 10:25 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-31-2021, 08:06 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]‘Madden NFL’ is racist declares some obscure professor desperate for recognition from his leftist peers in this ‘Me Too’ racist movement. Sadly, this is not a headline from the Babylon Bee.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/texas-pro...k-athletes

https://twitter.com/JacsonBevens/status/...54880?s=20

 
When is the black community going to stop letting white liberals make them victims of every. damn. thing.?

There are plenty of them. They’re known in white liberal vernacular as Uncle Toms. Escaping the white liberal plantation is a no-no.
Facebook 'permanently' locks account of conservative children's book publisher | Fox Business

I don't know both sides of this story but it seems baseless from what I see here. The reason I bring it up is because Facebook sees the writing on the wall about section 230 and has been running those folksy ads on TV showing interviews with some of their executives about working in a restructured 230. They certainly aren't winning any friends this way.