(11-01-2023, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 10:29 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I just heard a sound bite on the radio of a Mexican national who is making huge amounts of money funneling migrants to the border through Mexico. He’s dumbfounded about how easy it is and how oblivious our government is to the problem.
I’m waiting for one of our resident leftists to come here and defend this administration’s lack of leadership. Or at least affirm there is a problem, but they won’t. Even more, they’ll claim they are not hard left but more centrist while absolutely refusing to level any sort of criticism towards their party.
Resident leftists? Who are you talking about? I'm not aware of any resident leftists around here.
Fair enough. How about left-leaning?
(11-01-2023, 11:35 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Resident leftists? Who are you talking about? I'm not aware of any resident leftists around here.
Fair enough. How about left-leaning?
Good luck getting them to come out of the wood work..
(11-01-2023, 11:35 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Resident leftists? Who are you talking about? I'm not aware of any resident leftists around here.
Fair enough. How about left-leaning?
Can you be specific? Who are you talking about? I don't know anyone on this message board who would identify as "left leaning." Certainly not me.
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/17...nwRcw&s=19
NEW: Multiple New Jersey Democrats have been charged with election fraud crimes involving mail in ballots.
Paterson City Council President Alex Mendez was indicted for alleged crimes committed during the 2020 election.
Mendez allegedly supervised an operation that stole mail in ballots from mailboxes and replaced the ones that were not for him.
His wife and two others were also charged.
New Jersey Attorney General Matt Platkin says Mendez was seen emptying a “large, heavy bag, completely filled with ballots” into a mailbox.
“The defendants are accused of attempting to rig an election in their favor and to deprive the voters of Paterson of having their voices heard,” Platkin said.
“The functioning of democracy relies on voters’ trust that their votes count and those votes determine the outcomes of elections.”
Mendez was able to commit this alleged fraud due to the fact that all ballots were mail-in thanks to the pandemic.
The photos below show Mendez with high profile Democrats including Bill Clinton, Cory Booker and Whoopi Goldberg.
I thought mail-in-ballots were safe and secure?
(11-01-2023, 09:51 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 09:27 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Changing the amount of funds approved for the IRS is a second subject. The IRS has nothing to do with foreign aid.
One is happening because of the other so it's under the same subject.
You're being obtuse. Move on.
My point is that a single subject rule is unworkable. The line between one subject and two subjects is never clear and state house committee chairs and state house speakers always ignore single subject rules when it's something they want. When it's something they don't want, they invoke the rule so they can avoid voting on it.
(11-01-2023, 01:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 09:51 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]One is happening because of the other so it's under the same subject.
You're being obtuse. Move on.
My point is that a single subject rule is unworkable. The line between one subject and two subjects is never clear and state house committee chairs and state house speakers always ignore single subject rules when it's something they want. When it's something they don't want, they invoke the rule so they can avoid voting on it.
If everything wasn't loaded with so much pork all the time, this wouldn't be necessary.
(11-01-2023, 10:29 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I just heard a sound bite on the radio of a Mexican national who is making huge amounts of money funneling migrants to the border through Mexico. He’s dumbfounded about how easy it is and how oblivious our government is to the problem.
I’m waiting for one of our resident leftists to come here and defend this administration’s lack of leadership. Or at least affirm there is a problem, but they won’t. Even more, they’ll claim they are not hard left but more centrist while absolutely refusing to level any sort of criticism towards their party.
Except for the Covid emergency, and deliberately separating children, Biden's border policy is the same as Trump's. I'm not defending Biden or accusing him. Just calling for consistency from the bib crew.
(11-01-2023, 01:08 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 01:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]My point is that a single subject rule is unworkable. The line between one subject and two subjects is never clear and state house committee chairs and state house speakers always ignore single subject rules when it's something they want. When it's something they don't want, they invoke the rule so they can avoid voting on it.
If everything wasn't loaded with so much pork all the time, this wouldn't be necessary.
It's unworkable. If your idea or design requires something to happen that is humanly impossible to happen, you need to get a new idea. It is humanly impossible to enforce a single subject rule and humanly impossible to agree on when the rule has been breached.
It's like saying, "we have to develop faster than light travel so we can colonize new planets." Well faster than light travel is impossible, so maybe give up on planet colonizing, or come up with a different idea of how it could work.
(11-01-2023, 01:13 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 12:44 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Why so defensive?
Why so evasive?
It’s no secret who the left leaning posters are on this board. But since you made such a big stink about bad orangeman, and in an emotive response voted for a president and party who diametrically oppose everything you supposedly stand for, you seem very anxious to make sure none of this current [BLEEP] up rubs off on you.
Sorry, Marty, but you can’t have it both ways. You are partly responsible for what is happening. You voted for it rather than vote for a third candidate who more closely aligns with your alleged beliefs. You can sneak out of the bed, quietly get dressed and creep out the back door, but we all saw you. Hell, you admitted to it.
(11-01-2023, 01:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 01:08 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]If everything wasn't loaded with so much pork all the time, this wouldn't be necessary.
It's unworkable. If your idea or design requires something to happen that is humanly impossible to happen, you need to get a new idea. It is humanly impossible to enforce a single subject rule and humanly impossible to agree on when the rule has been breached.
It's like saying, "we have to develop faster than light travel so we can colonize new planets." Well faster than light travel is impossible, so maybe give up on planet colonizing, or come up with a different idea of how it could work.
Like I said, it came down to too much pork and it finally pissed the right people off.. It doesn't need to be a single line item every time, but common sense needs to be used when dealing with our budget and trying to pass bills. Failure to do so is why we're in this situation.
(11-01-2023, 01:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 01:13 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Why so evasive?
It’s no secret who the left leaning posters are on this board. But since you made such a big stink about bad orangeman, and in an emotive response voted for a president and party who diametrically oppose everything you supposedly stand for, you seem very anxious to make sure none of this current [BLEEP] up rubs off on you.
Sorry, Marty, but you can’t have it both ways. You are partly responsible for what is happening. You voted for it rather than vote for a third candidate who more closely aligns with your alleged beliefs. You can sneak out of the bed, quietly get dressed and creep out the back door, but we all saw you. Hell, you admitted to it.
So, because I didn't vote for Trump, that makes me a leftist?
By the way, Biden doesn't oppose everything I stand for. I agree with him on a lot of issues. I also agree with a lot of what Trump supposedly stands for.
(11-01-2023, 01:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 01:13 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Why so evasive?
It’s no secret who the left leaning posters are on this board. But since you made such a big stink about bad orangeman, and in an emotive response voted for a president and party who diametrically oppose everything you supposedly stand for, you seem very anxious to make sure none of this current [BLEEP] up rubs off on you.
Sorry, Marty, but you can’t have it both ways. You are partly responsible for what is happening. You voted for it rather than vote for a third candidate who more closely aligns with your alleged beliefs. You can sneak out of the bed, quietly get dressed and creep out the back door, but we all saw you. Hell, you admitted to it.
Voting with RINOs is the same as voting Democrat. And the RINO's are running rampant in The Republican Party. Each one of them needs the Liz Cheney treatment. Primary the hell out of them and destroy them by 40 points or more. That should help wake people up.
(11-01-2023, 01:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 01:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It’s no secret who the left leaning posters are on this board. But since you made such a big stink about bad orangeman, and in an emotive response voted for a president and party who diametrically oppose everything you supposedly stand for, you seem very anxious to make sure none of this current [BLEEP] up rubs off on you.
Sorry, Marty, but you can’t have it both ways. You are partly responsible for what is happening. You voted for it rather than vote for a third candidate who more closely aligns with your alleged beliefs. You can sneak out of the bed, quietly get dressed and creep out the back door, but we all saw you. Hell, you admitted to it.
So, because I didn't vote for Trump, that makes me a leftist?
Did you, or did you not, state on this board that you voted for Joe Biden?
(11-01-2023, 01:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 01:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, because I didn't vote for Trump, that makes me a leftist?
Did you, or did you not, state on this board that you voted for Joe Biden?
Yes. So? If that's the definition of a leftist, I guess I am a leftist. That's not my definition of a leftist.
I have disagreed with a lot of what Biden has done, and I've agreed with a lot of it, and I've said so quite clearly. But I would never vote for Trump, and a lot of conservatives did the same thing in the last election. I think he's the most ignorant, egotistical, dishonest and incompetent person ever to be elected President. I don't think he should be within a hundred miles of the oval office, and if that means I have to vote for Biden, that's what I'll do.
Ask me a specific question on a specific issue, and I'll tell you exactly what I think. I'm not avoiding anything.
(11-01-2023, 01:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 01:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]It’s no secret who the left leaning posters are on this board. But since you made such a big stink about bad orangeman, and in an emotive response voted for a president and party who diametrically oppose everything you supposedly stand for, you seem very anxious to make sure none of this current [BLEEP] up rubs off on you.
Sorry, Marty, but you can’t have it both ways. You are partly responsible for what is happening. You voted for it rather than vote for a third candidate who more closely aligns with your alleged beliefs. You can sneak out of the bed, quietly get dressed and creep out the back door, but we all saw you. Hell, you admitted to it.
So, because I didn't vote for Trump, that makes me a leftist?
By the way, Biden doesn't oppose everything I stand for. I agree with him on a lot of issues. I also agree with a lot of what Trump supposedly stands for.
Are you happy with your vote now?