(08-31-2024, 10:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's probably not bad data. It's most likely due to the shifting demographics of the military.
It was flawed data from the start, but that's what mikesez looks for, because he's afraid of the truth. The results are relevant with regards to Trump because the polling occurred during his term. For Biden, it was before he ever served a day as Commander in Chief. Now he can be judged on his history, rather than his rhetoric. I expect a similar poll, conducted today, would tell a far different story.
(09-01-2024, 08:10 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2024, 10:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's probably not bad data. It's most likely due to the shifting demographics of the military.
It was flawed data from the start, but that's what mikesez looks for, because he's afraid of the truth. The results are relevant with regards to Trump because the polling occurred during his term. For Biden, it was before he ever served a day as Commander in Chief. Now he can be judged on his history, rather than his rhetoric. I expect a similar poll, conducted today, would tell a far different story.
Wouldn't be that different.
My point wasn't that Biden had an advantage with them.
My only point was a significant number of them like Biden or Harris more than Trump, and that's still going to be true today.
Enough for copycat's claim that Trump gets a "pass" but Biden doesn't to be wrong.
(09-01-2024, 08:22 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 08:10 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]It was flawed data from the start, but that's what mikesez looks for, because he's afraid of the truth. The results are relevant with regards to Trump because the polling occurred during his term. For Biden, it was before he ever served a day as Commander in Chief. Now he can be judged on his history, rather than his rhetoric. I expect a similar poll, conducted today, would tell a far different story.
Wouldn't be that different.
My point wasn't that Biden had an advantage with them.
My only point was a significant number of them like Biden or Harris more than Trump, and that's still going to be true today.
Enough for copycat's claim that Trump gets a "pass" but Biden doesn't to be wrong.
That's pure speculation on your part. Your TDS blinds you to any other possibility.
(09-01-2024, 09:39 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 08:22 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't be that different.
My point wasn't that Biden had an advantage with them.
My only point was a significant number of them like Biden or Harris more than Trump, and that's still going to be true today.
Enough for copycat's claim that Trump gets a "pass" but Biden doesn't to be wrong.
That's pure speculation on your part. Your TDS blinds you to any other possibility.
I could say the sun will rise tomorrow and you would say that's pure speclation on my part.
Everything's about me and how wrong I am.
(09-01-2024, 10:13 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 09:39 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]That's pure speculation on your part. Your TDS blinds you to any other possibility.
I could say the sun will rise tomorrow and you would say that's pure speclation on my part.
Everything's about me and how wrong I am.
Hey, it's not my fault that you're wrong so often.
You presented an outdated poll (already comprised of biased data) to support your argument that military personnel prefer Biden over Trump. You then extended your claim to include Harris over without ANY supporting evidence. Trump could cure cancer tomorrow and you still wouldn't give him credit for it.
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(09-01-2024, 10:36 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 10:13 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
I could say the sun will rise tomorrow and you would say that's pure speclation on my part.
Everything's about me and how wrong I am.
Hey, it's not my fault that you're wrong so often.
You presented an outdated poll (already comprised of biased data) to support your argument that military personnel prefer Biden over Trump. You then extended your claim to include Harris over without ANY supporting evidence. Trump could cure cancer tomorrow and you still wouldn't give him credit for it.
I don't know which candidate military personnel prefer this cycle.
But copycat was saying *none* of them prefer Biden or Harris.
What do you think?
Is there one active duty service member who prefers Harris over Trump?
If you say yes, you're agreeing with me.
If you say no, could you offer evidence?
As for not giving Trump credit, many times I've given Trump credit for reducing illegal immigration.
I also think Gorsuch and Barrett were solid choices for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh has a little too much obvious corruption and trollish writing in his background though
(08-31-2024, 08:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2024, 07:55 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]And a very large majority agree with me. Like it or not Trump does a better job of reaching out to the military. Biden and Harris are more interested in representing illegal aliens than first responders.
Certainly a lot of you guys feel that way.
But a lot don't.
https://www.statista.com/chart/22761/us-...-election/
I am a little skeptical of the percentages however it is probably correct about a shift from republican to democrat. There was a 4 year open assault on Trump for his every action. Conversely we now have 3.5 years of Biden/Harris history concerning the military and first responders and it is not good.
(09-01-2024, 08:22 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 08:10 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]It was flawed data from the start, but that's what mikesez looks for, because he's afraid of the truth. The results are relevant with regards to Trump because the polling occurred during his term. For Biden, it was before he ever served a day as Commander in Chief. Now he can be judged on his history, rather than his rhetoric. I expect a similar poll, conducted today, would tell a far different story.
Wouldn't be that different.
My point wasn't that Biden had an advantage with them.
My only point was a significant number of them like Biden or Harris more than Trump, and that's still going to be true today.
Enough for copycat's claim that Trump gets a "pass" but Biden doesn't to be wrong.
Who was there honoring those that died on Biden’s botched pullout? A pullout that was entirely predicted on being out by 9-11 and that quite frankly is not talked about enough. The intelligence said it was a flawed plan but the Biden brain trust wanted that photo op of being out before the anniversary.
I know you are up in arms about “he broke the rules” while ignoring that Joe did the exact same thing on a previous occasion. All the while Joe was at the beach and Harris couldn’t be bothered.
(09-01-2024, 10:52 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 10:36 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, it's not my fault that you're wrong so often.
You presented an outdated poll (already comprised of biased data) to support your argument that military personnel prefer Biden over Trump. You then extended your claim to include Harris over without ANY supporting evidence. Trump could cure cancer tomorrow and you still wouldn't give him credit for it.
I don't know which candidate military personnel prefer this cycle.
But copycat was saying *none* of them prefer Biden or Harris.
What do you think?
Is there one active duty service member who prefers Harris over Trump?
If you say yes, you're agreeing with me.
If you say no, could you offer evidence?
As for not giving Trump credit, many times I've given Trump credit for reducing illegal immigration.
I also think Gorsuch and Barrett were solid choices for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh has a little too much obvious corruption and trollish writing in his background though
No I didn’t, you latched onto an absolute when most rational people would realize it was a generalization. Where did I state “every”? Man your hatred of DJT blinds you at every turn.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1636316
Here you go Mike. This is what I am trying to teach you.
(09-01-2024, 01:49 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 10:52 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know which candidate military personnel prefer this cycle.
But copycat was saying *none* of them prefer Biden or Harris.
What do you think?
Is there one active duty service member who prefers Harris over Trump?
If you say yes, you're agreeing with me.
If you say no, could you offer evidence?
As for not giving Trump credit, many times I've given Trump credit for reducing illegal immigration.
I also think Gorsuch and Barrett were solid choices for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh has a little too much obvious corruption and trollish writing in his background though
No I didn’t, you latched onto an absolute when most rational people would realize it was a generalization. Where did I state “every”? Man your hatred of DJT blinds you at every turn.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1636316
Here you go Mike. This is what I am trying to teach you.
Your statement "Trump gets a pass but Biden doesn't" makes no sense as a generalization, unless nearly every member of the services strongly prefers Trump over Biden. It only makes sense if nearly all troops prefer Trump.
Just say you misspoke, man. It's cool.
As for that post, which is three Twitter videos, (1) I don't watch videos, (2) just because they're really pissed off doesn't mean they are right, nor does it mean every other service member agrees with them. (3) (Edit: I was able to find a story on yahoo.com about it. Harris did make a statement about not using ANC for politics which predictably resulted in very pointed and very political replies from some but not all of the family members, saying that it was OK because they invited him and they would NEVER invite her, she is so bad, so in it for herself, and they KNOW she is that way even though they've never met her. Barf.)
All I'm saying is Trump definitely broke the rules of the place.
The rules may actually be more like guidelines, especially if a President or VP or former President or VP is there.
Maybe Biden broke the rules too, back in 2020. Maybe it's not a big deal.
But don't lie to me and say he didn't break the rules.
Don't lie to me and say it's OK because the family invited him. The family doesn't own the cemetery.
Just stop lying and stop making specious arguments. That's all I ask.
(09-01-2024, 02:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]All I'm saying is Trump definitely broke the rules of the place.
The rules may actually be more like guidelines, especially if a President or VP or former President or VP is there.
Maybe Biden broke the rules too, back in 2020. Maybe it's not a big deal.
But don't lie to me and say he didn't break the rules.
Don't lie to me and say it's OK because the family invited him. The family doesn't own the cemetery.
Just stop lying and stop making specious arguments. That's all I ask.
You really don't know a whole lot to be saying everyone else is wrong or lying to you, you [BLEEP] waffle
(09-01-2024, 08:22 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't be that different.
My point wasn't that Biden had an advantage with them.
My only point was a significant number of them like Biden or Harris more than Trump, and that's still going to be true today.
Enough for copycat's claim that Trump gets a "pass" but Biden doesn't to be wrong.
(09-01-2024, 10:52 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know which candidate military personnel prefer this cycle.
But copycat was saying *none* of them prefer Biden or Harris.
What do you think?
Is there one active duty service member who prefers Harris over Trump?
If you say yes, you're agreeing with me.
If you say no, could you offer evidence?
As for not giving Trump credit, many times I've given Trump credit for reducing illegal immigration.
I also think Gorsuch and Barrett were solid choices for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh has a little too much obvious corruption and trollish writing in his background though
I'll make it simple for you. Now jump on your bike and pedal backwards as fast as you can.
(09-01-2024, 02:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 01:49 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]No I didn’t, you latched onto an absolute when most rational people would realize it was a generalization. Where did I state “every”? Man your hatred of DJT blinds you at every turn.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1636316
Here you go Mike. This is what I am trying to teach you.
Your statement "Trump gets a pass but Biden doesn't" makes no sense as a generalization, unless nearly every member of the services strongly prefers Trump over Biden. It only makes sense if nearly all troops prefer Trump.
Just say you misspoke, man. It's cool.
As for that post, which is three Twitter videos, (1) I don't watch videos, (2) just because they're really pissed off doesn't mean they are right, nor does it mean every other service member agrees with them. (3) (Edit: I was able to find a story on yahoo.com about it. Harris did make a statement about not using ANC for politics which predictably resulted in very pointed and very political replies from some but not all of the family members, saying that it was OK because they invited him and they would NEVER invite her, she is so bad, so in it for herself, and they KNOW she is that way even though they've never met her. Barf.)
Just admit that you don’t know and you don’t want to know.
Watch the first video and just maybe you can get a glimpse of what I have been trying to tell you.
(09-01-2024, 03:52 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 02:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Your statement "Trump gets a pass but Biden doesn't" makes no sense as a generalization, unless nearly every member of the services strongly prefers Trump over Biden. It only makes sense if nearly all troops prefer Trump.
Just say you misspoke, man. It's cool.
As for that post, which is three Twitter videos, (1) I don't watch videos, (2) just because they're really pissed off doesn't mean they are right, nor does it mean every other service member agrees with them. (3) (Edit: I was able to find a story on yahoo.com about it. Harris did make a statement about not using ANC for politics which predictably resulted in very pointed and very political replies from some but not all of the family members, saying that it was OK because they invited him and they would NEVER invite her, she is so bad, so in it for herself, and they KNOW she is that way even though they've never met her. Barf.)
Just admit that you don’t know and you don’t want to know.
Watch the first video and just maybe you can get a glimpse of what I have been trying to tell you.
The Yahoo article I found gave me a pretty concise summary of what some of the family members had to say, and I related what I read back to you. I explained why it didn't disprove my point.
If I missed something, in one of the videos, you can surely summarize that for me. The only thing I would be missing is the raw emotion of it, which I don't need in my life.
I thought I had joined the party that frowned on using emotion and bleeding heart arguments to win political debates.
In the US it is common for young adults to reject some of their parents' values and beliefs. Suppose one of these soldiers who died at Abbey Gate actually had been anti-Trump for any reason. And their parents are now using their death as a pro-Trump political point. That would be weird, right? Like maybe individual soldier names and deaths shouldn't become partisan political footballs? And I say that knowing that Biden started it when his sundowning, addled brain forgot that they even died in the first place. But don't react to one extreme disgrace like that by becoming an extreme disgrace yourself.
(09-01-2024, 04:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 03:52 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Just admit that you don’t know and you don’t want to know.
Watch the first video and just maybe you can get a glimpse of what I have been trying to tell you.
The Yahoo article I found gave me a pretty concise summary of what some of the family members had to say, and I related what I read back to you. I explained why it didn't disprove my point.
If I missed something, in one of the videos, you can surely summarize that for me. The only thing I would be missing is the raw emotion of it, which I don't need in my life.
I thought I had joined the party that frowned on using emotion and bleeding heart arguments to win political debates.
In the US it is common for young adults to reject some of their parents' values and beliefs. Suppose one of these soldiers who died at Abbey Gate actually had been anti-Trump for any reason. And their parents are now using their death as a pro-Trump political point. That would be weird, right? Like maybe individual soldier names and deaths shouldn't become partisan political footballs?
Watch the video and stop being a chicken [BLEEP].
Joining a party does not make you a member.
As to your 3rd point, you won’t goad me into an emotional response again. Just keep running. What are you afraid of?
(09-01-2024, 04:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2024, 03:52 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Just admit that you don’t know and you don’t want to know.
Watch the first video and just maybe you can get a glimpse of what I have been trying to tell you.
The Yahoo article I found gave me a pretty concise summary of what some of the family members had to say, and I related what I read back to you. I explained why it didn't disprove my point.
If I missed something, in one of the videos, you can surely summarize that for me. The only thing I would be missing is the raw emotion of it, which I don't need in my life.
I thought I had joined the party that frowned on using emotion and bleeding heart arguments to win political debates.
In the US it is common for young adults to reject some of their parents' values and beliefs. Suppose one of these soldiers who died at Abbey Gate actually had been anti-Trump for any reason. And their parents are now using their death as a pro-Trump political point. That would be weird, right? Like maybe individual soldier names and deaths shouldn't become partisan political footballs?
You really should just stop.
Up until 2 years ago I worked directly not only with the military, but also many government agencies (NOAA, NASA, CBP, etc.) and I never encountered any "anti Trump" types. The military is slowly changing with some of the acceptance of gays and other liberal ideologies such as yours, but that appeared to me to be mainly in the upper ranks. The lower ranks who are the "backbone" of the military all tend to lean very conservative.
As far as the military, I can only speak of the ones that I worked directly with, those being members of the Navy, Marine Corp and certain members of Special Operations. I can't really speak much about the culture in the Army or Air Force, but I imagine it's going to be close to the same.
As far as what happened at ANC, the Gold Star Families got permission and direction to ensure that they were following proper protocol from the staff at the cemetery. 8 of the 13 family members specifically invited President Trump to attend the ceremony and didn't invite Biden or Harris because as one father put it "we wanted a leader that cares about the members of the military". The Gold Star family members also specifically requested photos and video of the event (which was granted).
The fact that your candidate commie-la tried to make a political issue out of it is shameful and disrespectful (not surprising about your party). It really is a huge non-issue.
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