(01-16-2025, 05:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 02:58 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL this is why I do not play chess with pigeons. They walk around, mess up the board, then strut like they did something. lol
Why are you allowed to criticize California's park land management when you won't allow me to criticize California's zoning? It's hypocrisy.
You are welcome to criticize them. We were discussing the reason for the fire. The root cause was not zoning, it was not executing simple land management processes for many years. Money needed to do this was diverted to other agendas that in the end put the public at risk. There was also a break down in the initial response to the first fire.
This is not the first time you have tried to "steer" conversations to how people zone property. I have no idea nor care to know why you have the need to promote multi family zoning. If you want to discuss zoning and how that is done why don't you begin a thread on that? You can pontificate all you want. Zoning had very, very little impact on the fire. You may disagree, but it is kind of a silly thing to think in my opinion.
ps, you do know most can see your attempts to steer conversations right?
(01-16-2025, 06:19 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 05:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Why are you allowed to criticize California's park land management when you won't allow me to criticize California's zoning? It's hypocrisy.
You are welcome to criticize them. We were discussing the reason for the fire. The root cause was not zoning, it was not executing simple land management processes for many years. Money needed to do this was diverted to other agendas that in the end put the public at risk. There was also a break down in the initial response to the first fire.
This is not the first time you have tried to "steer" conversations to how people zone property. I have no idea nor care to know why you have the need to promote multi family zoning. If you want to discuss zoning and how that is done why don't you begin a thread on that? You can pontificate all you want. Zoning had very, very little impact on the fire. You may disagree, but it is kind of a silly thing to think in my opinion.
ps, you do know most can see your attempts to steer conversations right?
The fires were
caused either by power lines or arson.
They were
made more deadly and more costly by drought, insurance regulation, park land management, funding strategies for the local fire departments, and zoning.
Why zoning? There would be fewer tightly packed homes crammed on those hillsides if they allowed more homes in the valleys. It's not me. It's just math.
And what's wrong with steering conversations? You guys decided to talk about the insurance regulations. I didn't criticize anyone for steering the conversation that way.
(01-16-2025, 06:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 06:19 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You are welcome to criticize them. We were discussing the reason for the fire. The root cause was not zoning, it was not executing simple land management processes for many years. Money needed to do this was diverted to other agendas that in the end put the public at risk. There was also a break down in the initial response to the first fire.
This is not the first time you have tried to "steer" conversations to how people zone property. I have no idea nor care to know why you have the need to promote multi family zoning. If you want to discuss zoning and how that is done why don't you begin a thread on that? You can pontificate all you want. Zoning had very, very little impact on the fire. You may disagree, but it is kind of a silly thing to think in my opinion.
ps, you do know most can see your attempts to steer conversations right?
The fires were caused either by power lines or arson.
They were made more deadly and more costly by drought, insurance regulation, park land management, funding strategies for the local fire departments, and zoning.
Why zoning? There would be fewer tightly packed homes crammed on those hillsides if they allowed more homes in the valleys. It's not me. It's just math.
And what's wrong with steering conversations? You guys decided to talk about the insurance regulations. I didn't criticize anyone for steering the conversation that way.
LOL ... whatever you say. I agree if the land was zoned farmland no one would live there. No one would have died and no property lost. It is just you. Pigeon.
(01-16-2025, 06:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 06:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The fires were caused either by power lines or arson.
They were made more deadly and more costly by drought, insurance regulation, park land management, funding strategies for the local fire departments, and zoning.
Why zoning? There would be fewer tightly packed homes crammed on those hillsides if they allowed more homes in the valleys. It's not me. It's just math.
And what's wrong with steering conversations? You guys decided to talk about the insurance regulations. I didn't criticize anyone for steering the conversation that way.
LOL ... whatever you say. I agree if the land was zoned farmland no one would live there. No one would have died and no property lost. It is just you. Pigeon.
If Palisades or any other currently populated area of LA was zoned as farmland, the property owners would have lobbied to get the zoning changed, and the county would have probably gone along with it.
That's exactly what happened in the '40s and '50s and '60s.
Farmland doesn't vote. Because the owner is just one voter and he may not even live in the jurisdiction of the farmland. A county commission or a city council would always prefer to add higher value property if possible. But low density housing land does vote, and it does vote to stay exactly the way it is, and that's a problem.
(01-16-2025, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 06:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL ... whatever you say. I agree if the land was zoned farmland no one would live there. No one would have died and no property lost. It is just you. Pigeon.
If Palisades or any other currently populated area of LA was zoned as farmland, the property owners would have lobbied to get the zoning changed, and the county would have probably gone along with it.
That's exactly what happened in the '40s and '50s and '60s.
Farmland doesn't vote. Because the owner is just one voter and he may not even live in the jurisdiction of the farmland. A county commission or a city council would always prefer to add higher value property if possible. But low density housing land does vote, and it does vote to stay exactly the way it is, and that's a problem.
You crack me up sometimes...
(01-16-2025, 08:19 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2025, 09:40 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]State Farm left because the Democratic legislators engaged in price fixing, not allowing the companies to charge rates commensurate with the risks. Seems the state jumped in and now is holding the bag they wanted to force the insurance companies to. This should only add to the State's large budget deficit. Seems they are running the state into the ground financially.
LA County also zoned people out of the less fire-prone areas. Most of the flat land out there is zoned single family even though there is a lot of demand and a lot of places to put multifamily housing.
LA County did not "zone people out" of anywhere. The County has not modified zoning regulations in areas currently restricted to single family housing to allow multifamily as a permitted or conditional use, but that's not at all the same.
(01-16-2025, 06:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 06:19 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You are welcome to criticize them. We were discussing the reason for the fire. The root cause was not zoning, it was not executing simple land management processes for many years. Money needed to do this was diverted to other agendas that in the end put the public at risk. There was also a break down in the initial response to the first fire.
This is not the first time you have tried to "steer" conversations to how people zone property. I have no idea nor care to know why you have the need to promote multi family zoning. If you want to discuss zoning and how that is done why don't you begin a thread on that? You can pontificate all you want. Zoning had very, very little impact on the fire. You may disagree, but it is kind of a silly thing to think in my opinion.
ps, you do know most can see your attempts to steer conversations right?
The fires were caused either by power lines or arson.
They were made more deadly and more costly by drought, insurance regulation, park land management, funding strategies for the local fire departments, and zoning.
Why zoning? There would be fewer tightly packed homes crammed on those hillsides if they allowed more homes in the valleys. It's not me. It's just math.
And what's wrong with steering conversations? You guys decided to talk about the insurance regulations. I didn't criticize anyone for steering the conversation that way.
That's a theory, but not necessarily true. More homes in the valley doesn't automatically equate to fewer on the hillsides.
Isn't the hillside inherently more desirable for the view?
If the housing shortage is really that bad, won't all areas be developed to maximum capacity anyway?
You want to make an argument that zoning contributed to the disaster, fine, I'll make one too. If no housing whatsoever was allowed, there would be nothing to burn, but brush.
(01-16-2025, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 06:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL ... whatever you say. I agree if the land was zoned farmland no one would live there. No one would have died and no property lost. It is just you. Pigeon.
If Palisades or any other currently populated area of LA was zoned as farmland, the property owners would have lobbied to get the zoning changed, and the county would have probably gone along with it.
That's exactly what happened in the '40s and '50s and '60s.
Farmland doesn't vote. Because the owner is just one voter and he may not even live in the jurisdiction of the farmland. A county commission or a city council would always prefer to add higher value property if possible. But low density housing land does vote, and it does vote to stay exactly the way it is, and that's a problem.
Are you under the impression that land in any zoning district has voting rights?
This fire is being a financial catastrophe for LA in other ways. So far, an NFL game and a PGA tournament have been moved to other venues. The loss of tourist and sports dollars is going to leave a mark.
(01-16-2025, 07:08 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2025, 08:19 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]LA County also zoned people out of the less fire-prone areas. Most of the flat land out there is zoned single family even though there is a lot of demand and a lot of places to put multifamily housing.
LA County did not "zone people out" of anywhere. The County has not modified zoning regulations in areas currently restricted to single family housing to allow multifamily as a permitted or conditional use, but that's not at all the same.
(01-16-2025, 06:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The fires were caused either by power lines or arson.
They were made more deadly and more costly by drought, insurance regulation, park land management, funding strategies for the local fire departments, and zoning.
Why zoning? There would be fewer tightly packed homes crammed on those hillsides if they allowed more homes in the valleys. It's not me. It's just math.
And what's wrong with steering conversations? You guys decided to talk about the insurance regulations. I didn't criticize anyone for steering the conversation that way.
That's a theory, but not necessarily true. More homes in the valley doesn't automatically equate to fewer on the hillsides.
Isn't the hillside inherently more desirable for the view?
If the housing shortage is really that bad, won't all areas be developed to maximum capacity anyway?
You want to make an argument that zoning contributed to the disaster, fine, I'll make one too. If no housing whatsoever was allowed, there would be nothing to burn, but brush.
The original implementation of single family zoning between 1940 and 1965 is what has zoned people out today.
History didn't start in 2015.
(01-16-2025, 07:49 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]This fire is being a financial catastrophe for LA in other ways. So far, an NFL game and a PGA tournament have been moved to other venues. The loss of tourist and sports dollars is going to leave a mark.
Yes it will. Add that to what Pam Bondi told Adam Shciff to worry about today. These Dems had another bad today. They looking pretty lame.
He wrote the damn law that put most of these people in prison......
Biden commutes nearly 2,500 more sentences in final days of presidency
Biden has issued more individual pardons and commutations than any other US president
President Biden announced Friday morning he is commuting the sentences of nearly 2,500 inmates as the end of his presidency draws near.
The commutations are for people convicted of non-violent drug offenses "who are serving disproportionately long sentences" compared to what they would receive if sentenced under today's law.
"Today’s clemency action provides relief for individuals who received lengthy sentences based on discredited distinctions between crack and powder cocaine, as well as outdated sentencing enhancements for drug crimes," Biden said in a statement.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-c...presidency
Greenland's prime minister says Arctic island doesn’t want to be part of the US: 'Always be a strong partner'
Múte Egede said the autonomous Danish territory has a lot to offer to its 'close friends'
Greenland's prime minister seemingly shut the door on President-elect Donald Trump's aspiration to acquire the autonomous Danish territory, saying Greenlanders don't want to be Americans or Danes.
"We want to be Greenlanders," said Múte Egede Thursday on "Special Report." "We will always be a part of NATO. We will always be a strong partner for [the] U.S. We are close neighbors. We have been incorporated in the last 80 years. And I think in the future, we have a lot to offer, to cooperate with. But we want to also be clear: We don't want to be Americans. We don't want to be a part of [the] U.S., but we want strong cooperation together with [the] U.S."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/greenlands...ng-partner
The LAMESTREAM legacy media will lose what's left of their credibility with BS like this....
Crystal ball news shows 6 ways media will war with Trump one more time
It’s almost Trump Times Two or T2 and journalists are already falling into old habits
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It’s almost Trump Times Two or T2 and journalists are already falling into old habits. Let’s grab a crystal ball (or a Palantir for you Peter Thiel fans out there) or even a Magic 8 Ball and take a look at the next four years in news.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/crystal-...-more-time
If Biden’s clemencies were for disparity in drug sentencing, I have no problem with it. It would be interesting to see the list of recipients, though.
The cadre of left wingers keeping Joe propped up are scrambling to get meat puppet to enact their wishlists before he leaves office.
(01-17-2025, 08:05 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]If Biden’s clemencies were for disparity in drug sentencing, I have no problem with it. It would be interesting to see the list of recipients, though.
The cadre of left wingers keeping Joe propped up are scrambling to get meat puppet to enact their wishlists before he leaves office.
Gotta cash in their chips now, they become worthless in three days. It's payback time!
(01-17-2025, 08:19 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2025, 08:05 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]If Biden’s clemencies were for disparity in drug sentencing, I have no problem with it. It would be interesting to see the list of recipients, though.
The cadre of left wingers keeping Joe propped up are scrambling to get meat puppet to enact their wishlists before he leaves office.
Gotta cash in their chips now, they become worthless in three days. It's payback time!
Remember while Joe may have issued these chips. Jill his wife is the cashier. She has been running this place for quite a while. A regular Elanor Roosevelt. well may be similar ... lol
(01-17-2025, 10:22 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2025, 08:19 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Gotta cash in their chips now, they become worthless in three days. It's payback time!
Remember while Joe may have issued these chips. Jill his wife is the cashier. She has been running this place for quite a while. A regular Elanor Roosevelt. well may be similar ... lol
A year from now, she'll dump Joe into memory care and hit the beach in Aruba.
Fox, ABC, now CNN. Good. It’s time to start holding media companies accountable.
CNN found liable for $5 million in defamation trial against US Navy veteran over Afghanistan report
A Florida jury found CNN liable on Friday in a high-stakes defamation trial against U.S. Navy veteran Zachary Young, who alleged that the network maligned him as an “illegal profiteer” with a report on Afghan evacuees being charged thousands of dollars to flee the country following the U.S. military withdrawal.
Following two days of deliberations, the jury ruled that CNN would need to pay Young $5 million in compensatory damages, adding that he should also be awarded punitive damages. The trial is now heading into a second phase to determine the amount of punitive damages Young should receive from the network…
(01-17-2025, 01:42 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Fox, ABC, now CNN. Good. It’s time to start holding media companies accountable.
CNN found liable for $5 million in defamation trial against US Navy veteran over Afghanistan report
A Florida jury found CNN liable on Friday in a high-stakes defamation trial against U.S. Navy veteran Zachary Young, who alleged that the network maligned him as an “illegal profiteer” with a report on Afghan evacuees being charged thousands of dollars to flee the country following the U.S. military withdrawal.
Following two days of deliberations, the jury ruled that CNN would need to pay Young $5 million in compensatory damages, adding that he should also be awarded punitive damages. The trial is now heading into a second phase to determine the amount of punitive damages Young should receive from the network…
I don't think this will change the liberal bias in the media right off the bat...... It'll probably take a few more large judgements before the network executives that are there now to be thrown out on their [BLEEP] and new blood brought in
(01-17-2025, 01:42 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Fox, ABC, now CNN. Good. It’s time to start holding media companies accountable.
CNN found liable for $5 million in defamation trial against US Navy veteran over Afghanistan report
A Florida jury found CNN liable on Friday in a high-stakes defamation trial against U.S. Navy veteran Zachary Young, who alleged that the network maligned him as an “illegal profiteer” with a report on Afghan evacuees being charged thousands of dollars to flee the country following the U.S. military withdrawal.
Following two days of deliberations, the jury ruled that CNN would need to pay Young $5 million in compensatory damages, adding that he should also be awarded punitive damages. The trial is now heading into a second phase to determine the amount of punitive damages Young should receive from the network…
Yea, it's going to be this way for the next 4 years. Accuracy counts
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