(02-19-2025, 10:31 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2025, 10:03 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I am not arguing against free speech.
Even if the Weimar government executed all the Nazis in 1923, France and Germany probably still go to war by the 1940s and there might have been a genocide or two to go along with it.
Even so, the lady was not wrong to attribute the rise of Nazis in particular to free speech.
Every good thing on this planet has a downside.
Lol, no. The Dems did not punish speech in the United States during Biden's time in office. They punished riot and insurrection.
A. The actress pretending to be a journalist was completely wrong, your interpretation of what she was attempting to do is incorrect. She plays people like you, but not someone like Rubio.
B. They punished the people whose opinion and politics that did speak up did not fit their agenda. The IRS, FBI, DOJ, USAID, the cancel culture you name it.
Fairy tales for adults. All of it.
(02-18-2025, 12:48 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-17-2025, 10:54 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]This theory was not the cause of the rise of Hitler, Nazi's and the genocide that followed. The general public is , after the election, is not afraid to speak their mind for fear of ridicule and being canceled by the left. I see it as the beginning of another attempt by the left to silence those that disagree with them. Like Morning Joe said, it is the job of the legacy press to tell people what to think. LOL
In Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s there was free speech. The Nazis might not have been able to come to power without it. Maybe they come to power regardless. No one knows.
Liberals also equivocate when discussing this. They all agree that "the Nazis coming to power" was a tragedy but they disagree about why. Some think there was a way to maintain the terms of Versailles without another all-out war between Germany and France, and some say the war was inevitable but the Holocaust was not. Some say both were were inevitable and the Nazis just made both worse. So the stakes of the discussion aren't well defined.
Regardless, free speech in Germany made it easier for Nazis to come to power. Fact. Deal with it.
Is that applicable to our situation today, no. But it is a historic fact.
6 million Jews say you're wrong.
(02-20-2025, 05:39 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2025, 12:48 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]In Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s there was free speech. The Nazis might not have been able to come to power without it. Maybe they come to power regardless. No one knows.
Liberals also equivocate when discussing this. They all agree that "the Nazis coming to power" was a tragedy but they disagree about why. Some think there was a way to maintain the terms of Versailles without another all-out war between Germany and France, and some say the war was inevitable but the Holocaust was not. Some say both were were inevitable and the Nazis just made both worse. So the stakes of the discussion aren't well defined.
Regardless, free speech in Germany made it easier for Nazis to come to power. Fact. Deal with it.
Is that applicable to our situation today, no. But it is a historic fact.
6 million Jews say you're wrong.
What? How? Again, the question is how did the Nazis come to power, not what did they do once they got in power.
(02-20-2025, 01:35 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2025, 10:31 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]A. The actress pretending to be a journalist was completely wrong, your interpretation of what she was attempting to do is incorrect. She plays people like you, but not someone like Rubio.
B. They punished the people whose opinion and politics that did speak up did not fit their agenda. The IRS, FBI, DOJ, USAID, the cancel culture you name it.
Fairy tales for adults. All of it.
I am happy to agree you are living in a fairy tale. Based on your responses it makes sense. Pigeon
I'll lay you 100 to 1 odds that a lot of DemocRATS and R.I.N.O.'s are shaking in their shoes and have their lawyers on speed dial right about now......
FBI nominee Kash Patel confirmed in narrow Senate vote
Patel has suggested his top two priorities were 'let good cops be cops' and 'transparency is essential'
The Senate on Thursday voted 51-49 to confirm Kash Patel as FBI director.
Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., voted "yes" on the conservative firebrand's confirmation, even while moderates Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, and Susan Collins, R-Maine, voted "no."
A vote to invoke cloture and begin two hours of debate on the nominee passed 51 to 47 earlier Thursday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kash-pa...i-director
I've been saying that we need to do this for years.....
‘No sane country would stand for this’: Lawmakers launch effort to withdraw US from UN
'The United Nations has devolved into a platform for tyrants,' said Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah
Republican lawmakers have launched an effort to withdraw the U.S. from the United Nations, amid concern that the international humanitarian and human rights organization fails to promote American interests and align with President Donald Trump’s "America First" agenda.
Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, introduced legislation Thursday called the Disengaging Entirely From the United Nations Debacle Act of 2025, which would terminate U.S. membership in the U.N. and its affiliated bodies, and funding to those groups. Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., is co-sponsoring the measure in the upper chamber.
Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, is poised to introduce the measure in the House Friday, claiming that the U.N. and its bodies don’t advance the interests of Americans.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no-sane...ed-nations
The epoch of history-making men is back, but Europe is run by minnows
“The strong gods are back. This is the message from the distinguished American think tank analyst and commentator N S Lyons (a nom de plume) in his latest article on Substack called “The Upheaval”. It is attracting attention because it captures the mood.
It’s hard to do proper justice to his argument in one column. Read it yourself. But, in brief, he argues that, after the Second World War, Western governing classes convinced themselves that conflict and war were caused by the “closed society”: that is, a society in which “strong gods”, strong beliefs and moral codes, strong identities, strong connections to history, place and nation, dominated political life.
And so the project of post-war liberalism became to tear down the walls of that closed society. They presented a choice of looking forward to the open society or back to Hitler. And if that really was the choice, only one direction was possible...”
If anyone is interested in the Substack article referenced in the post above, here it is. A little bit of a read but worth it.
https://open.substack.com/pub/theupheava...dium=email
…Instead of producing a utopian world of peace and progress, the open society consensus and its soft, weak gods led to civilizational dissolution and despair. As intended, the strong gods of history were banished, religious traditions and moral norms debunked, communal bonds and loyalties weakened, distinctions and borders torn down, and the disciplines of self-governance surrendered to top-down technocratic management. Unsurprisingly, this led to nation-states and a broader civilization that lack the strength to hold themselves together, let alone defend against external threats from non-open, non-delusional societies. In short, the campaign of radical self-negation pursued by the post-war open society consensus functionally became a collective suicide pact by the liberal democracies of the Western world…
To wit:
Deportation order overturned for Egyptian doctor who glorified Hamas
(02-21-2025, 09:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]If anyone is interested in the Substack article referenced in the post above, here it is. A little bit of a read but worth it.
https://open.substack.com/pub/theupheava...dium=email
…Instead of producing a utopian world of peace and progress, the open society consensus and its soft, weak gods led to civilizational dissolution and despair. As intended, the strong gods of history were banished, religious traditions and moral norms debunked, communal bonds and loyalties weakened, distinctions and borders torn down, and the disciplines of self-governance surrendered to top-down technocratic management. Unsurprisingly, this led to nation-states and a broader civilization that lack the strength to hold themselves together, let alone defend against external threats from non-open, non-delusional societies. In short, the campaign of radical self-negation pursued by the post-war open society consensus functionally became a collective suicide pact by the liberal democracies of the Western world…
To wit: Deportation order overturned for Egyptian doctor who glorified Hamas
I think the guy is basically right on his history. I also think it didn't have to be this way. The EU started as a free trade zone involving just 6 countries. Today it has 27 countries, most of which share a currency and have open borders with each other, but they share little else. There are huge disparities from end to end.
If they had stayed small, and instead of expanding right away, worked on integrating more than just their tariffs and currencies, but also their fiscal and defense structures, that could have been a recipe for a morally and spiritually strong United Europe. They put money first though.
(02-21-2025, 01:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-21-2025, 09:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]If anyone is interested in the Substack article referenced in the post above, here it is. A little bit of a read but worth it.
https://open.substack.com/pub/theupheava...dium=email
…Instead of producing a utopian world of peace and progress, the open society consensus and its soft, weak gods led to civilizational dissolution and despair. As intended, the strong gods of history were banished, religious traditions and moral norms debunked, communal bonds and loyalties weakened, distinctions and borders torn down, and the disciplines of self-governance surrendered to top-down technocratic management. Unsurprisingly, this led to nation-states and a broader civilization that lack the strength to hold themselves together, let alone defend against external threats from non-open, non-delusional societies. In short, the campaign of radical self-negation pursued by the post-war open society consensus functionally became a collective suicide pact by the liberal democracies of the Western world…
To wit: Deportation order overturned for Egyptian doctor who glorified Hamas
I think the guy is basically right on his history. I also think it didn't have to be this way. The EU started as a free trade zone involving just 6 countries. Today it has 27 countries, most of which share a currency and have open borders with each other, but they share little else. There are huge disparities from end to end.
If they had stayed small, and instead of expanding right away, worked on integrating more than just their tariffs and currencies, but also their fiscal and defense structures, that could have been a recipe for a morally and spiritually strong United Europe. They put money first though.
Yep, they cobbled it together quickly in order compete with the U.S. and a rapidly growing China. Some countries shouldn't have been admitted and are a constant financial drag on the Union. Greece comes to mind. However, some of the former Eastern Bloc countries are really beginning to thrive, such as Poland and Estonia. I don't know if they would have been able to develop at such a pace without membership in the E.U. It cuts both ways.
I'll bet you 1000 to 1 odds he has his lawyer on speed dial right about now...... LOL
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4.4 billion.. 6 [BLEEP] HOUSES!!!
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1893443...64w7A&s=19
?? EXPOSED: USAID'S HAITI SCAM - $4.4B SPENT, SIX HOMES BUILT
USAID and partners funneled billions through multiple "administrative fees," with DC firms pocketing 56% of contracts while Haitian companies got just 2%.
The Red Cross's numbers tell the story: $500M raised, promised homes for 130,000 people, delivered exactly six houses.
Of 196 NGOs reviewed, only eight could explain where the money went.
The rest?
Just another day at the foreign aid carnival.
Source: NY Post @DOGE
If you voted democrat within the last handful of cycles, you need to hang your head in shame!!
And if you're against when Trump and Elon are doing, [BLEEP] you and the horse you rode in on..
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[BLEEP] all of you!!!
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